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The All-Winner's Squad was a short time Golden Age team up of Timely (later Marvel) characters. Captain America, Bucky, Human Torch, Toro, Sub-Mariner, Whizzer, and Miss America. The "team" was Timely's answer to the Justice Society of America from All-American Publications (later DC). Unlike the JSA, the All-Winner's Squad only appeared twice in the Golden Age.
Unlike current "super team" books, these were really book long commercials.The idea that the publisher would dump all of their characters into a single book, thereby attracting readers to see all the characters. Then get them to buy another comic with one or two of these characters in it. The characters themselves usually had little interaction; generally meeting at the book ends of the story, with a bunch of short individual stories in-between.
The Whizzer was always a Timely / Marvel character, later making appearances in modern Marvel comics. He (along with Miss America) were originally the parents of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, before this was ret-conned to be Magneto. Miss America didn't fare very well, as she died in childbirth. There is also an allusion to the Whizzer in the second season of Jessica Jones. He is the guy in the yellow hoodie that swears he is being followed and stalked.
The Invaders was a 1970s version of the All-Winners Squad, written by Roy Thomas who loved all things Golden Age. The line up was essentially the same, only adding Union Jack and Spitfire later in the run. Incidentally he later moved to DC Comics and did the same thing again, this time creating the All Star Squadron which was a ret-con of the JSA.
Also, I don't know if it is really fair to say that the Whizzer was a copy of the Flash.There were a lot of speedsters in the Golden Age. It was one of those "obvious" super powers when writers were quickly coming up with as many characters as they could. I think the similarity between the Whizzer and the Flash only came about in the early modern age of comics. Marvel wanted to make a "Justice League"-lite set of characters to fight the Avengers, and realized they already had a speedster they could use. The logic was that it would be harder for DC to claim copy cat.
Pseudo cross company fights like this would happen semi often... Marvel created the Squadron Sinister (as copies of the Justice League). DC retaliated by creating the Champions of Angor (as copies of the Avengers) at around the same time. Marvel created the Shiar Imperial Guard (as copies of the DC's Legion of Superheroes) to fight the X-Men)... It's trope almost as common as characters fighting the evil versions of themselves.
On a side note, I can't believe no one has mentioned (unless I missed it) the original female Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau. She's in the new Captain Marvel movie as well, though it remains to be seen if she will have any super powers.
Monica has been mentioned but it's her mom that's definitely in the movie. She's the other pilot, or at least it's her plane the other gets in.
Ah, kind of disappointed now. I just saw the Rambeau name on the other pilot's flight suit. Trying not to read too many spoilers or guesses about the plot...
Yea that makes more sense. It's been so long. I remember when DC bought the Fawcett catalog and there was a Justice League of America cross over back when Dick Dilian and Co were on board with the book! I think the team up was between #135 to #137 or something like that. I remember THIS page still to this day....
If you *really* wanted to get confused, toss the Marvelman situation into the conversation!
When Fawcett shutdown, a publishing company in the United Kingdom was really put out. American comics couldn't be imported, so if a few publishers were reprinting them and distributing them. Captain Marvel was still pretty popular in the UK and the loss of new stories was going to have a significant business impact... So the publisher came up with Marvelman, who adopted most of the Captain Marvel details, just changed. They then began producing their own new stories, while continuing to reprint the old Captain Marvel issues.
After that it gets even more crazy...
Interesting!! http://ukcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelman
That's the one. And the link explains it significantly more succiently than I would have.
I do remember the Alan Moore stories being absolutely terrifying when I read them the first time.
Well Alan does have quite the imagination... similar to our own Josh Crockett! LOL
I think moviebob did a video on that was well ^^:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfNFahtv5PQ
Thanks for that! I had no idea anyone but I found that craziness interesting. :)
There are huge differences between Marvel comics, Marvel movies, and Marvel TV programs. Marvel comics has changed the origins and stories of their characters numerous times since the 1960s. In the movies, the characters have recent origins. But many of them originated back in the 1960s. Marvel put out several editions of the Marvel Encyclopedia. I bought a large volume tracing all Spider-Man related comics a few years back.
I read comics from the 1950s to the 1980s. Then I started spending my money on computers instead. I've tried to catch up with Marvel comics in recent years, but found it too expensive and confusing. Now I just collect all the Marvel (and DC!) movies.
https://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Encyclopedia-New-Stan-Lee/dp/1465478906/ref=pd_sim_14_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1465478906&pd_rd_r=c55719c2-062f-11e9-976d-331c5380a38c&pd_rd_w=5DCIG&pd_rd_wg=2qy7G&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=1NEPA7SQZ7CX3VF1SGSW&psc=1&refRID=1NEPA7SQZ7CX3VF1SGSW
We went to see Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse last weekend and I highly recommend it. Even if there is no interest in the subject matter, the approach to animation should be of interest to most people here.
I'll add "Spiderverse" to the list of Marvel-related BluRay discs I want for my collection.... These days I don't dare go to a movie theater. I have trouble staying awake!
i didn't catch this 1st few times i watched Winter Soldier,
they mention Dr Strange
spoiler alert
The snappening lol
there is also the British Character MarvelMan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvelman who was a 1950s version of the Whiz character. A couple of year ago he was renamed MiracleMan in a Allan Moore comic. (Similar to how the Charltan comic characters became the Watchmen).
Hermes, as with most of the Greek/Roman pantheon, are fair game for comic book characters. There's really not much you can do with a Guy Who Runs Fast and call it proprietary outside of the costume, name, and their antagonists. If Quicksilver had to face down Reverse Quicksilver (Slow Copper?) then I'd say DC had a case. We'll ignore the fact that Quicksilver was the same age and had two different origins in 2 different recent Marvel timelines (Days of Future Past and Age of Ultron).
However, what's actually more disturbing was Union Jack's gimp suit. And the fact he wound up in G.I. Joe. As a Ninja.
The best Amalgam crossover was Dark Claw. It was the only one to get a sequel.
The Storm+Wondrous Woman+Thor was too obvious (really, what else can you do with WW in the Marvel Universe? Wonder Phoenix?).
And one day, someone will actually do a respectable Shazam movie. Superman in a toga is still Superman in a toga, though. At least it's not the Image comics characters like Prime, Glory or Gen-13. Great Caesar's Ghost, talk about theft of intellectual property.
New article that was just published. Had my brain going in loops but it was a good read... Marvel-ous! lol
https://www.newsarama.com/43256-captain-marvel-shazam-name-history.html?utm_source=nar-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20181227-nar
what do you think of the theory that 'scared' Hulk is actually Loki in hiding?
I'm worried Dr Strange won't be in end game
Nope. I think Loki really is dead. However, the whole nature of Norse myths revolve around death and rebirth. So I doubt he will stay dead.
I think Hulk was behaving like a child would. He was beaten and hurt for the first time. Bruce wasn't able to protect him. So he did what a child would; refused to come out.
There may be more to it, like Hulk somehow knowing that this wasn't the right time to make an appearance. The same way Strange said that there was only one way they could win and that what happened, had to happen.
anyone knpw whichh movie tony took away spiderman's suit? saw a utoob clip of it.
That's in Spiderman:Homecoming - definitely worth watching - he has the suit at the beginning, it gets taken away at some point - then spoilers.
thanks, finally watched it
more cheerful than infinity war
watching thor ragnorak
doesnt make sense Odin ?? thought he was an immortal god
In the Marvel Universe "gods" aren't immortal. They are simply extradimensional aliens. The Norse gods are very advanced very long lived and physically powerful ones.
In Norse Mythology, the gods aren't immortal which is part of the point of both Ragnorak (the Fall of the Gods) and Balder (a god who is killed)....
My least fav Thor movie, couldn't stand it.
My least favorite, too. They tried to make it funny and failed miserably. On the plus side, the wife brought home Black Panther on the same day, so it wasn't a complete waste of time and money. It's one of the few movies I've seen that mostly lives up to its hype.
Agreed on both counts
IMHO Thor Ragnarok wasn't, by any means, the best of the Marvel movies. However, it wasn't the worst either. For what it was, on first viewing, I found it highly entertaining. Would I watch it again? Probably not, as it isn't exactly re-watchable. The initial viewing lived up to everything I expected....
Compare it to Batman v Superman or Justice League and it's like Shakespeare. And shows what I superhero movie should be. We don't need to spend two hours disecting all the failures that a superhero might have if he or she was "real." Everything doesn't need to be in the dark and raining constantly (ok, admittedly, Justice League wasn't, but come on it's ALWAYS raining in Gotham in those movies).
On a different note, this felt like the first movie that really got the Thor and Hulk characters. Hulk, deep down, is a child. Banner realizes that and treats him like that. Thor is a 60s stereotype of a Viking; he drinks, he fights, he doesn't take things too seriously. Sure the comics had him speaking like a bit character from a Shakespeare play most of the time, but they were never really down and dark.
I wasn't going in expecting a faithful adaptation of the Planet Hulk storyline, but I did enjoy some of the nods to it. Like Korg and Miek.
i felt safer with Odin around, hard to imagine thanos defeating Odin
are there avenger cameos in black panther?
or Antman? is a lil weird to take antman seriously