First impressions of Dawn?.....V4 is safe.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    Hellboy said:
    You're evil.

    who me...? Lol
  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,365
    edited December 1969

    Cypherfox said:

    Neither is exactly the darlings of the internet, but renderosity netted around 30,000 unique visitors and daz3d.com netted around 63,000. For what it's worth, turbosquid has more than renderosity, with 55,400-ish. No idea how much of those visits translate into sales, obviously, but DAZ definitely has significant mindshare. I couldn't find a competitor site that beats it.

    Maybe a stupid detail, but first store page promos in DAZ are 50% more big than other stores.

    Most promos in DAZ are very good, few promos per page, if you set more promos, page is more large. In others stores amazing promos coexist with ugly promos. Some times, a lot of ugly promos.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Hellboy said:

    If only she came with a bikini or wathever it would worth the try.

    This statement right here tells me you haven't really looked at her. She comes with a bikini.

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,616
    edited December 1969

    ...In all fairness, Dawn can do whatever genesis does...

    Does this mean Dawn is intended to be a new base with 'shapes' and a 'genepool' of morphs, UVs and textures?

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    prixat said:
    ...In all fairness, Dawn can do whatever genesis does...

    Does this mean Dawn is intended to be a new base with 'shapes' and a 'genepool' of morphs, UVs and textures?

    Somebody's already turned her into a cat.

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    prixat said:
    ...In all fairness, Dawn can do whatever genesis does...

    Does this mean Dawn is intended to be a new base with 'shapes' and a 'genepool' of morphs, UVs and textures?

    Yes... essentially she's a whole new figure with the same powerful technology of genesis, and has a version that works and is made just for poser, and a version that works just for DS- and has all the functionality of Genesis. Of course she needs her own morphs and textures as she's a whole new figure. But she's got the same potential. That's why I'm not getting some of the hate here. :)

    I'm not giving up genesis by a long shot.... but I am excited about adding Dawn to the figure pool. And wait till you see some of the stuff that's coming out for her. :D

    Diversity! :)

  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580
    edited December 1969

    The tech under the surface is solid.
    It is not "the future". But it is not "the history" either.
    It's fine.

    I do think that base character/texture they shipped with was a big mistake.
    I really, and completely personally, found it very unattractive in the end.

    That being said, a few of the morphs and newer characters have definitely caught my eye.
    Might have hooked stronger with one of those included at launch.
    Who knows?

    But, at this moment, the deal maker/breaker for me is the lack of wider, 3rd party DAZ Studio support. That has pretty much taken her out of my loop.
    For all the good intentions and positive thinking, realistically I just don't think that line between Poser and DAZ Studio is going to lessen to any big degree.
    And without that 3rd party support, I just don't see myself, as a DAZ Studio user, investing in Dawn.

    Which is a shame, for I believe in that company's philosophy 3,000 x more than DAZ's rather one dimensional engine of greed.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited August 2013

    The line is actually getting narrower. There are quite a few vendors over there who are learning DS and asking a lot of questions to be able to get their Poser made content working in DS. Some, like Connie aka Badkitteh, a Poser user, refuses to release some stuff until it's working in both programs.

    It's easier for Poser users to learn DS as DS is still free; however, it's not as easy for DS users to get their hands on Poser. Some people have even looked into partnerships where one person knows DS and the other knows Poser and they work together to get things back and forth and working in both programs.

    The community there is what got me to invest in Dawn. She's a fresh start where she doesn't already have years worth of skankwear and outfits galore to the point content creators run out of ideas. Personally she's the figure I'm going to finally learn to model with.

    Now if some of my fave V4 character creators hop on board, I'll be a happy camper.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited August 2013

    Ippotamus said:
    Pendraia said:
    Hellboy said:
    Pendraia said:
    Thanks for the answer so I can assume from your response you don't like GF2 either as she is just another girl figure? At least Dawn is not planning on staying that way...each to their own.

    As you could read in other threads and sites, no, I don't like the gender split. I consider it an unnecessary and unfortunate step backwards.

    I haven't been following the threads here so much...I agree with what you say here wholeheartedly. Sorry if I came across rude. I didn't mean to...I've been home sick the last few days and I'm probably a bit grumpy because of it. I personally like Dawn, a lot, but that doesn't mean others have to. Given the prizes in that competition I'm surprised someone with your skill at rendering isn't interested, however it does give other people more of a chance.

    I'll give them that.
    Those prizes are insanely good.
    I know the pros and semi-pros will be going at it for those.
    Photoshop to the 1,000,000th power!
    ..wish I had 700$ to blow on a postwork app. I can't even afford the latest Stonemason set even at 30% off.

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  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    Yep and there IS more DS stuff in the works and I've seen some of it... there is definitely a lot of excitement from poser users but there's plenty in DS and hopefully more and more. I really don't think the market has to be limited to one or two figures. If the market can sustain more than one- and obviously, it has- with genesis and V4 and M4 co-existing- then I have big hopes for Dawn as well. It's okay if the base Dawn doesnt suit everyone- there's all types of people in the world, all kinds of looks and styles so I try not to call a character ugly because that's almost calling a person out there ugly and i'm not that mean. ;) however default Dawn isn't mainstream style, you could say...but then neither was default V4 or default genesis. ;)

    Also can we avoid the whole insulting term skank and slut and so on? it's offensive please.

    But hey, look!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Awesome wilmap has already made a SECOND DS freebie outfit for Dawn! A wonderful skirt and jumper! Just like the stuff I'd wear to work. :)

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/71676/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Skirt-Jumper-for-DAWN

    Hip hip hurray for Wendy!!!!!!! :)

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    Ippotamus said:
    Pendraia said:
    Hellboy said:
    Pendraia said:
    Thanks for the answer so I can assume from your response you don't like GF2 either as she is just another girl figure? At least Dawn is not planning on staying that way...each to their own.

    As you could read in other threads and sites, no, I don't like the gender split. I consider it an unnecessary and unfortunate step backwards.

    I haven't been following the threads here so much...I agree with what you say here wholeheartedly. Sorry if I came across rude. I didn't mean to...I've been home sick the last few days and I'm probably a bit grumpy because of it. I personally like Dawn, a lot, but that doesn't mean others have to. Given the prizes in that competition I'm surprised someone with your skill at rendering isn't interested, however it does give other people more of a chance.

    I'll give them that.
    Those prizes are insanely good.
    I know the pros and semi-pros will be going at it for those.
    Photoshop to the 1,000,000th power!
    ..wish I had 700$ to blow on a postwork app. I can't even afford the latest Stonemason set even at 30% off.
    Gimp is free.
    $60- http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4900069&cid=catalog20038&segid=10700007
    $50- http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4900067&cid=catalog20038&segid=10700005

    You can't buy Photoshop anymore. They are pure subscription now. If you're lucky you might find a copy of CS6 somewhere, but that is the last version you can actually buy.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited August 2013

    ...already have PSPX4 and Gimp. Neither allow the use of .abr brushes without conversion which is a real pain in the fraggin' bum.


    ...basically, I have an issue with those who have the zloty's for pro grade software flaunting it in the face us us po' folk who are just trying to make ends meet. and then dissing us as being "suckers" when we try to save a few shekels during the latest sale.

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  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited August 2013

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...already have PSPX4 and Gimp. Neither allow the use of .abr brushes without conversion which is a real pain in the fraggin' bum.


    ...basically, I have an issue with those who have the zloty's flaunting it in the face us us po' folk who are just trying to make ends meet.

    Gimp can read ABR files, granted not all of them (I'm not sure what's different with the ones in can vs the ones it can't). Just put the ABR files in their own folder, then go into Gimp's preferences and add it as a brush folder.

    Also, last I knew Paintshop Pro supported 8bf plugins (which filter forge's plugin is). You just have to manually install/move the 8bf file to Paintshop.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited December 1969

    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.

  • FURBFURB Posts: 29
    edited December 1969

    Hmmm, normally threads like this are locked and disappear after a short while.....not this one.
    Heaven forbid if you say anything negative about genesis. :roll:

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited December 1969

    ...I actually like Genesis.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited August 2013

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.
    I guess it's just in my nature. If something doesn't work for me, I find a way to make it work. I prefer to get the most I can out of my investments (but then I'm also a tech nerd and ex web-coder so a lot of things come easy).

    Hmmm, normally threads like this are locked and disappear after a short while.....not this one.
    Heaven forbid if you say anything negative about genesis. :roll:


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. ;)
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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited August 2013

    Vaskania said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.
    I guess it's just in my nature. If something doesn't work for me, I find a way to make it work. I prefer to get the most I can out of my investments (but then I'm also a tech nerd and ex web-coder so a lot of things come easy).

    Hmmm, normally threads like this are locked and disappear after a short while.....not this one.
    Heaven forbid if you say anything negative about genesis. :roll:


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. ;)

    I am not about to go and find all the threads that prove you wrong on both points. :roll:

    Edited to add that DAZ 3D has never censored honest opinions, as long as they are couched politely and do address the topic in hand rather than being blanket unreasoned criticism or obviously designed to provoke, shock or anger.

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  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580
    edited August 2013

    Vaskania said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.
    I guess it's just in my nature. If something doesn't work for me, I find a way to make it work. I prefer to get the most I can out of my investments (but then I'm also a tech nerd and ex web-coder so a lot of things come easy).

    Hmmm, normally threads like this are locked and disappear after a short while.....not this one.
    Heaven forbid if you say anything negative about genesis. :roll:


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. ;)

    Oh, to be fair, I don't know about that.
    A large group of us were more than frank and very vocal on our feelings about Genesis 2.
    Those threads are still there, unlocked and uncensored.

    Of course, Genesis 2 is still here too.

    So is Dawn.

    In the end these threads really mean very little.
    In between all the mis-spent emotion and side effect of bad coffee, there is some useful feedback in here ... somewhere.
    It will be taken to heart or left where it is as the companies try to continue to move forward respectively or even dis-respectively in some cases. ;) :P

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  • SotoSoto Posts: 1,450
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:
    Hellboy said:

    If only she came with a bikini or wathever it would worth the try.


    This statement right here tells me you haven't really looked at her. She comes with a bikini.

    Oh, I did looked at HER. I was examining the figure, not clothing.
    Yet, I moved into clothing at a later point and stopped when realized she can't even use any of the clothes or textures I have, only her own stuff.

    Hmmm, normally threads like this are locked and disappear after a short while.....not this one.
    Heaven forbid if you say anything negative about genesis. :roll:

    I have said negative things about Genesis 2 Female since it came out and none of the threads or posts are gone. They are all there.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    No doubt the image I've attached of a morphed Dawn looks like Gina to you also...

    You know...

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  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited August 2013

    I figured how to download her for free. No, I do not want the $48 starter pack. lol

    I like how the free package includes hair and bikini and skin with sub-surface/translucency shaders.

    I did an artistic nude render of her in Daz Studio. sorry, i can't post it. lol Maybe I'm used to Victoria 4, but Dawn's boobs looks a bit odd. maybe i need to fix the lightning because the shadows on her chest are too dark. At least I can change her breast size from A to E. I'm not sure if I will spend any money just for Dawn. I have already spent a ton of money on on the generation 3 and 4 figures.

    Someone mentioned the free section of Renderosity. I forgot that Renderosity has a free section. I found the Fashion Pumps for Dawn on the first page. I saw a Winter sweater for Dawn too.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    edited December 1969

    I figured how to download her for free. No, I do not want the $48 starter pack. lol

    I like how the free package includes hair and bikini and skin with sub-surface/translucency shaders.

    I did an artistic nude render of her in Daz Studio. sorry, i can't post it. lol Maybe I'm used to Victoria 4, but Dawn's boobs looks a bit odd. maybe i need to fix the lightning because the shadows on her chest are too dark. At least I can change her breast size from A to E. I'm not sure if I will spend any money just for Dawn. I have already spent a ton of money on on the generation 3 and 4 figures.

    Someone mentioned the free section of Renderosity. I forgot that Renderosity has a free section. I found the Fashion Pumps for Dawn on the first page. I saw a Winter sweater for Dawn too.

    This confused me to at Hivewire. Go to the page with the Starter pack, then UNCHECK everything except for Dawn and check out. Should be free with all the other goodies unchecked!

  • Eric WaltersEric Walters Posts: 233
    edited December 1969

    Thanks RamWolff!

    RAMWolff said:
    Hi RamWollff
    I have to agree with that. Most of my characters are full body morphs-so I morphed the teeth and jaw to go with the face and head morphs.
    For V4 or M4, I really appreciated being able to move the teeth independently. I'll keep an eye out for your morph pack-even though I make my own-you do good work!
    Eric

    RAMWolff said:
    There is ONE aspect I do NOT like about Dawn. All the figures I've worked with over the years always had controls to move and resize the teeth. Dawns teeth are nailed down. In ZBrush I'm able to move them and resize them and may included a freebie set with my morphs to allow for this if Chris doesn't in his upcoming morph pack. I thought that was a little short sighted of Hivewire to leave those very important options out.

    Those new morphs are really cool. I love the little snouts you gave them! SO cute. I can almost see fur on them and bigger eyes and puppy dog ears! lol

  • Eric WaltersEric Walters Posts: 233
    edited December 1969

    Wow! Amazing how the Kitty resembles Gina Davis!

    Pendraia said:
    xjadexxx said:
    This is not intended to spark a debate about which model is better.

    My question is about the perceived impact of these two models. DAZ released V6/G2F and there are a few products released on DAZ, and a very small number of products released elsewhere.

    Dawn is released and the short list is where she is NOT being supported with a healthy number of products.

    What am I missing here? Dawn does not seem to be a product that technically bulldozes over V6, but she seems to be everywhere. Meanwhile, V6 is released and hardly anything shows up.

    Again, not intended to start a flame war. I am truly curious about why Dawn is everywhere with products flowing like water, and V6 is pretty much at DAZ, with seemingly fewer releases around her.

    To give context, I purchased V6/Gia/Girl6 and I have not purchased Dawn.

    Thank you for any insight you can share.Dawn is more than just another figure. For the last two years the community has been at war. I don't believe this is an exaggeration either. Some might... The people who created Dawn as well as making a commercial product also wanted to try and heal the breach. For many of us long time users this is important, just as important as having a good base model. That said, I think Dawn is a good base model and although I haven't given up the original Genesis, Dawn is an important part of my runtime. I find her easy to use and extremely morphable. Those people who don't *shrugs* they have a right to their opinions for whatever reason they hold them. Those who are interested in becoming part of a community interested in getting along...feel free to visit Dawn in her home forums. You might see people you have missed over the last two years. I know I have.

    Edited to add....I did buy GF2 pro pack at it's initial release just to put my post into context.


    It was not a comment about your morphs but about the appearance of the base figure. She looks like Gina Davis to me and thus every morph of the base figure looks like "Gina Davis as a teenager. Gina Davis as an alien. Gina Davis as a werewolf. Gina Davis as C'Thulhu".

    No insult was intended.

    No doubt the image I've attached of a morphed Dawn looks like Gina to you also...
  • adzanadzan Posts: 268
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.

    Hmm, wouldn't this be more the fault of Filter Forge rather than Corel as Filter Forge need to create plugins that work with each software and the original Filter Forge pluging was purposely built for Adobe Photoshop.

    Adobe Photoshop Elements is about the same price as PaintShop Pro and can load most .abr brushes without conversion plus Filter Forge added plugin support For Elements back in January, so that seems like a less expensive option to the full Photoshop.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,

    adzan said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I was on chat with them and PSPX6 still does not support Filter Forge without having to jump through a bunch of hoops even thought they said it is "supposedly" compatible with PS plugins.

    Apologies, but I don't care to deal with a lot of conversion rubbish. As my sig says, I'm an artist, not a bloody database manger.

    Hmm, wouldn't this be more the fault of Filter Forge rather than Corel as Filter Forge need to create plugins that work with each software and the original Filter Forge pluging was purposely built for Adobe Photoshop.

    Adobe Photoshop Elements is about the same price as PaintShop Pro and can load most .abr brushes without conversion plus Filter Forge added plugin support For Elements back in January, so that seems like a less expensive option to the full Photoshop.Gimp 2.6 supports .abr files straightforwardly. A quick google found me this which might help. No conversion rubbish.

    And for the Mac users out there, I never tire of recommending Pixelmator, which for $15 is the most capable, stable, powerful and beautiful Photoshop replacement out there.

    -- Morgan

  • SotoSoto Posts: 1,450
    edited December 1969

    ssgbryan said:
    chohole said:
    I am not about to go and find all the threads that prove you wrong on both points. :roll:

    Edited to add that DAZ 3D has never censored honest opinions, as long as they are couched politely and do address the topic in hand rather than being blanket unreasoned criticism or obviously designed to provoke, shock or anger.

    I politely disagree with your final statement. It has been my observation over the years that anything that reflects negatively on DAZ meets the definition of "unreasoned criticism".


    8-/



    A large group of us were more than frank and very vocal on our feelings about Genesis 2.
    Those threads are still there, unlocked and uncensored.

    I have said negative things about Genesis 2 Female since it came out and none of the threads or posts are gone. They are all there.

  • Eric WaltersEric Walters Posts: 233
    edited December 1969

    Here's a few more Dawn morph creatures I made. For me the mesh is very easy to morph. Zbrush.I've had it for awhile, made a Meg Fox morph-then put it aside. I picked it up again and I've been playing with it for a month or two- I am FAR from expert with it. I have no 3D education and I am doing this as a hobby. After playing with Sculptris, I saved up and bought Zbrush.
    Granted, Zbrush is expensive-but not when compared to Max or Maya, or even Modo.

    This tells me that the mesh is easy to work with. For some reason it takes displacement mapping better than V4 or M4-I don't see the breaks at the texture seams that I could not get rid of with V4 or M4.

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