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I must have bought something because it was $4 for me. That's nice but I don't have Lucas 8. Oh wait, I do because I just added the Lucas Pro Bundle. That's the evil power of marketing for you right there! No, I really can justify the expenditure, honest I can!
BTW, is it just me or is the Lucas Starter bundle more expensive than the Pro?
It's more expensive right now because the Pro is in Related Items.
Oh, I see. Thanks. I'm beginning to understand why it's called March Madness—I have to be mad to understand it. Must try harder.
In truth, they add just a little refinement and, for Generation 8, the differences are minimal. What you get, for examplre are slightly more prominent veins, better pores, slightly more realistic shapes for hands and feet etc... For the Gen 3's, the effects were a little more trouble since UV's varied so much between the characters. An example would be the coarser pores around nipples which might not line up. This is not really a problem in the Gen 8's so that if you wanted to give Lucas some subtle crowsfeet or eye bagginess with Edward's HD morphs, it would work fine. I personally like using them to have nicer veins in hands and feet or more refined ear shapes.
I have an image in my gallery that uses Russell 7's map, a total mixture of different morphs and a whole lot of Edward's HD morphs ;). It looks like the HD morphs were made for the custom morph. I couldn't mix them like that on the G3s. They always looked off if you used an HD not meant for the figure.
Laurie
@AllenArt That's an amazing render in your gallery! Really lifelike, great character!
The thing is, Edward's HD morphs are very pronounced since he is an older man. I'm wondering if Lucas's HD morphs would make such a a difference,, especially on a non-Lucas character, since he is so much younger? Skins and bump/normal maps can look pretty detailed as is for younger characters. I wish the promos would do side by side images in their promos WITH the skins on and not just an untextured character...
I was wondering the same as you, I don't have Lucas either but that hd morph is so cheap and how often do we get these so cheap. But if it adds anything to other characters be pretty good which you would think it should cause you can partially or fully dial in full morphs of others to create something new. Anyways just rendering for you and anyone else and me a test of another mm bonus Vini for G8M with Edward 8HD morphs at 100% increaed sub d to max and maxed render settings
Great render! But it's interesting, he doesn't look old even with the Edward HD morphs cranked up...
yeah guess to make him older gotta also dial in some of edward base figure too so it's probably more the viens, creases, knees and other 3d type skin effects
ok doing another vini edward hd test the first wa the main body hd morph which added bit to his face but clicking on his head there is also another hd seoerate morph that makes him look older soooo maybe this Lucas hd will have a youthful effect on others does anyone know if Lucas has any scars or achne or any blemishes makes him stand out?
so here is vini again with edward head hd morph at 100 adds lot of different detail so looking at this the lucas hd morph may add something bit extra to vini so think I'll grab it even though I don't have Lucas base might be interesting using Lucas hd on edward
ok so even though don't have Lucas 8 I picked up his hd morph this is it on Edward and Vinni at 100%
I spent some time analysing the differences made by using the HD Morphs on Edward. Like most other HD changes the differences is very small, and generally only noticable on extreme close up.
On his face the lines around his eyes are slightly better defined, and the hands are also a bit different. For me the most noticable difference by far was the knees, so if you are into rendering knees then HD is the way to go!
The reason that most HD promos use an untextured figure is because you would really struggle to see the differences if they did not.
I used it on Vini ... could not see the difference at all ... As stated by Laurie, I upped the resolution to 3 ... which increased the HD effect a lot, but the overall diffeence in plain Vini and Lucas HD added was minimal if anything,.
Might be lack of knowledge and experience, but wouldn't many signs of age be coming through the textures, not the model?
When I want to make a normal figure look older, I don't just use a bit of Old Chap HD, but also put the textures of Old Chap on the figure that is supposed to look older. Yes, that makes me lose those special features the figure might have - and it doesn't work with any figure with a non cucasian human heritage - but as some wrinkles and age marks are built into the texture it makes a difference.
Well it looks like the Edward HD does make a big difference because of the wrinkles, but the Lucas HD, not so much...
some hds have more to offer than otherssome you barely notice anything others add a lot both with the men and women
was just thinking being March Madness and April Fools Day and Easter together there are some products kinda expect to see. Where are all the new bunny girl/playboy style outfits-there can be new versions/variations on the theme even for the guys, bunny costumes for adults and kids, bunnys , Mad Hatter type/looking characters even toony versions, alien versions too and creepy monster versions like JoLab1985's twisted easter bunny
mmmm uploaded these to my gallery and it was removed because it broke the rules
the underwear I used was from Vinnuth Kriegor Battle Mega Armor for Genesis 8 Male(s) and fully covers them and that bulge is part of them or the underwear didn't alter that don't think you can unless the problem is that men have to start wearing bras too
ok have another render cooking may finish baking 4-5 hours maybe more maybe 8+ got setting heavily maxed to try and get as much detail as possible to show off the Lucas 8 HD morph using in this one Vini who was one of the March Madness bonus buys along with Darious, Edward and Michael. I'm actually noticing the HD is adding detail in the bumps like muscles and veins. Also this time it is ok as I've tried to make show off as much as possible but still covered so they are all wearing bras/bikini tops now to comply with the rules and not wearing male underwear/swimwear but the ladies too so they are more covered up. So Hopefully can get this finished uploaded in time so those undecided on getting the Lucas 8 HD morph still have time to decide yes or no sorry so late doing this was at work and it is almost 3am now
just slight add it isn't intense detail like say Edward hd more subtle really so it's good for adding detail to hands, knuckles, feet and other areas good for a lot of other characters just to add that little extra detail but not go overboard and ruining what's already in a character looking at the progress so far Michael is really standing out veins are popping in his legs, in Vini his feet and pores
Excited for this one.
I am not seeing any difference in applying Lucas 8 HD to the head. This is a series I did this morning, starting with G8M default, then adding 100% Lucas 8 HD HEAD .... Then with upping subdivision level from 1 to 2, then from 2 to 3. I allowed each image to cook to 20-25%. I doubt further rendering would change anything. The difference is minimal, if anything, and I'm thinking turning up the subdivision would have had the same affect on just the G8 default character ... so the final image is exactly that with the Lucas 8 HD head turned down to 0%.
I have not looked at the body, as most of the time it is covered in clothes, so it does not matter to me if his knees look wonderful or not.
The cost of this product was minimal, having gotten it as a bonus deal, but I think he gets returned. Can buy a couple of PC+ items instead.
BUT WAIT ! ... now I got this brainstorm ..apply the entire Lucas 8 HD to the body and see what happens to the head too. Nope.
and this with just the head ... i think most revealing. here we have default G8, Edward HD, Lucas HD, Old Chap HD.
Lucas HD 8 only thing I see is around lips and under nose ... not much else....
I'm seeing the differences just fine. Yes, they're on a very small scale. HD is only used for very tiny details.
Just what I thought, HD is much more useful for older characters than young ones. It's funny, I did a render once of V7 with HD and someone (not in the 3d art community) said they thought she had "manny" hands. For young people, the HD can backfire I guess, especially the women. Did anyone notice a big difference in the hands with a Lucas HD?
here's my rerender with Vini, Darius, Edward and Michael using Lucas 8 HD at 100% and this one complies with the TOS with their chest covered no naughty nipples :)
The younger the person the less detail there's going to be. That's just the way things are ;). The areas where you will notice are in subtle unneveness over the surface of the skin, lines on the lips, lines on the knuckles and elbows, etc. - things that get more pronounced the older you get as things lose elasticity, sag and so on.
Laurie
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thats true ... although then why bother for younger characters, other than the body and limbs, My men all have full clothes, so dont need the body and limbs to be HD ..hands would be good.