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OT: Codename Polaris the next version of Windows.

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  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866

    Windows does seem to be getting worse as time goes by, not better. To me, W10 is unsuitable as a render box OS because of the WDDM VRAM issue, and MSs unwillingness to address it. I'll stay with W7 for the present. In the future I'll reconsider Linux. IMO, Linux networks easier than either Win or OSX, and I find that becoming more important to me every year.  True, desktop applications are limited in comparison to Win, but there's very nearly enough to get the job done. Both Blender and Octane run in Linux now. And almost anything can happen in five years.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666
    Rottenham said:
    kyoto kid said:
    dragotx said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Taoz said:
    ebergerly said:
    ...MS Self Driving Cars.

    ...uh....on second thought, think I'll take the bus.

    While I can definitely understand and even agree up to a point with where you're coming from on this, I hate to break it to you but it is starting to look like public transit, including busses, are going to be one of the first markets to go automated on a widespread basis

    ...they tried it in Vegas and it crashed on it's maiden run because it's algorithms couldn't respond properly to human randomness and spontaneity.  Until you get the monkey brain out from behind the wheel of every vehicle on the road, incidents like this will continue occur with relative frequency.

    By hook or by crook, the robot cars are coming. The insurance industry will get the monkey brains off the road by jacking up the cost of insurance for human drivers. Profits will soar. It's only a matter of when.

    This is a case of major problems caused by having to be compatible with older systems. If the only vehicles on the road were robot driven they could be networked and negotiate speeds, rights of way etc between themselves. It would probably be safe than what we have now. I expect that a lot of the AI complexity is just trying to guess what non-robot drivers are going to do.

    This is an extreme case but the same sort of thing often happens. Stereo FM radio in the UK needs a much stronger signal than it could get by with to stop it messing up mono radios, the quality of analog colour TV suffered to make it compatible with black and white sets and Windows 3 had problems because people insisted on being able to run DOS programs on it.

    I had an idea for environmentally friendly robot cars. Cut a slot in the road and put a metal strip on each side for electric power. Each car would have a big paddle that went into the slot to keep it on track and contact pads on each side for power. I was thinking of trying to patent it but someone said it had been done beforecheeky

  • Takeo.KenseiTakeo.Kensei Posts: 1,303
    edited February 2018
    wolf359 said:


    For Daz to move "Linux" They would be obligated to support it.
    Which of course means that Daz will have to Arbritrarily
    Pick from a long list of variants:
    (Redhat,CentOS,Fedora,openSUSE,Mandrake etc., etc.)

    No they don't. Applications can now be "packaged" with everything needed to make them work and even sandboxed for more security. Many systems exist. The problem is to choose a system that is supported by most distrib

     

    SixDs said:

    Take the enforcement of UWP, for example. Would DAZ Studio, as it stands, be compliant?

    You don't need that. Or a lot of applications won't be able to run on W10

    SixDs said:

    Then there is the whole issue of dropping of 32 bit support. Sure, if you happen to have Windows 10 Pro, they will include some sort of emulator that will supposedly allow 32 bit code to be executed, but even if the emulator works perfectly (and they often don't), emulators are no substitute for running code natively.

    32 bit apps run through an emulator since at least Win7 64 bit (never had winXP x64 so I can't be sure). It's called WOW64 https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384249(v=vs.85).aspx

     

    SixDs said:

    At the very least there is always substantial overhead from running them that consumes system resources and slows everything down

    No. 64 bit apps consume at least 1/3 more memory than the 32 bit counterpart. 64bit applications is not always the best thing depending on the situation

    If you want your 3D apps to get the most memory, run others in 32 bit. Why would it be better to have your music player, video player, text editor etc...in 64 bit ? What performance can you expect to gain?

     

    Peter Wade said:

    This is a case of major problems caused by having to be compatible with older systems. If the only vehicles on the road were robot driven they could be networked and negotiate speeds, rights of way etc between themselves. It would probably be safe than what we have now. I expect that a lot of the AI complexity is just trying to guess what non-robot drivers are going to do.

    Exactely. You could imagine portions of road or cities where only AI driven vehicles are allowed in the future

     

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  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711

    If they cannot function on normal roads, with normal cars, then they can build their own roads.

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    TheKD said:

    If they cannot function on normal roads, with normal cars, then they can build their own roads.

    And how would AI function with motorcycles? Kind of defeats the purpose of riding a bike.
    And those pesky, unpredictable bicyclists...

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711

    Especially those crazy cook cycle delivery guys in the cities lol......
    But yeah, I ride a motorcycle, I helped pay for the raods for 30 years. If they need their own roads they should build them lol. I need my motorcycle and van, so no thanks to that self driving hooplah.

  • AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 794

    Strange that they would use the same name as AMD's last gen GPU architecture. Maybe a lot of people aren't aware of it, but it's gonna be weird in any tech or gaming environment.

    http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/radeon-polaris

     

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711
    edited February 2018

    Or a snowmobiling environment :P

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    Petercat said:
    TheKD said:

    If they cannot function on normal roads, with normal cars, then they can build their own roads.

    And how would AI function with motorcycles? Kind of defeats the purpose of riding a bike.
    And those pesky, unpredictable bicyclists...

    ...as well as unpredictable pedestrians.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,256
    edited February 2018
    Takeo.Kensei said:
    SixDs said:

    Then there is the whole issue of dropping of 32 bit support. Sure, if you happen to have Windows 10 Pro, they will include some sort of emulator that will supposedly allow 32 bit code to be executed, but even if the emulator works perfectly (and they often don't), emulators are no substitute for running code natively.

    32 bit apps run through an emulator since at least Win7 64 bit (never had winXP x64 so I can't be sure). It's called WOW64 https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384249(v=vs.85).aspx

    And it's basically just Win32 with a translation layer.

    http://www.nynaeve.net/?p=131

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  • BurstAngelBurstAngel Posts: 763

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866
    BurstAngel said:

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

    Cortana returns in the Home version. She stays gone in the Pro version - or so I've read. W7 OEM is easy to find. I just bought a copy at Newegg.

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    BurstAngel said:

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

    Microsoft seems to have made Cortana a part of the file search subsystem, so the best you'll be able to do is disable it.

     

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666
    Daywalker Designs said:
    BurstAngel said:

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

    Microsoft seems to have made Cortana a part of the file search subsystem, so the best you'll be able to do is disable it.

     

    If you go for the custom setup rather than the express one you can say no to all the options that say they report back to Microsoft what you are doing, and there a lot of them in Windows 10. I've switched them all off but I'm not convinced it's really taken. I switched off all the use my location settings but my Win 10 laptop still sometimes asks if I want to go to a .uk site when I go to an American one and I can only authorise the player for my audiobooks if I set the laptop to American region, date and time. My desktop is staying on Windows 7 as long as I can keep it going.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited February 2018
    Rottenham said:
    BurstAngel said:

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

    Cortana returns in the Home version. She stays gone in the Pro version - or so I've read. W7 OEM is easy to find. I just bought a copy at Newegg.

    ...I currently have a W7 Pro OEM I'm going to update my old system with to support a memory upgrade (Home edition only supports up to 16 GB).

    Cortana's "permanence" is just one reason I would never bother with W10 Home Edition.  The other is the inability to defer updating.

    Cortana should have been an optional add on available in the MS App Store for those who want it, not fully integrated in the OS and forced on everyone.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866
    kyoto kid said:
    Rottenham said:
    BurstAngel said:

    But will we be able to get rid of that Cortana program. I finally bought a laptop for my husband and was so surprised that it came with it, and was only able to disable it and not delete completely. When I buy one for myself in the spring, I'm seriously debating hunting down a Win 7/8 copy so I don't have to deal with it myself.

    Cortana returns in the Home version. She stays gone in the Pro version - or so I've read. W7 OEM is easy to find. I just bought a copy at Newegg.

    ...I currently have a W7 Pro OEM I'm going to update my old system with to support a memory upgrade (Home edition only supports up to 16 GB).

    Cortana's "permanence" is just one reason I would never bother with W10 Home Edition.  The other is the inability to defer updating.

    Cortana should have been an optional add on available in the MS App Store for those who want it, not fully integrated in the OS and forced on everyone.

    I agree.  I've tried to like W10, but I think that MS has gone to another planet.  They will have the OEM market and the Corporate market for the future, and they will survive the coming switch to rentware [gags], but I think they have knowingly disenfranchised the individual user.  They are The Tool That Dreamed It Was A Way Of Life. frown

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited February 2018

    ...hmm, may need to stock up on W7 Pro (maybe even 8.1 Pro) OEMs for future builds.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm, may need to stock up on W7 Pro (maybe even 8.1 Pro) OEMs for future builds.

    Yeah, I have slowly picked up copies enough for all projects, with some spares now since the "hybrid renderer" was cancled.  I really don't like them trying to monetize all my personal information, or the OS deciding that it needs to install updates and restart and to hell with my 5-day render if I did not get the settings right.

    Also, Polaris was the first sub-launched nuclear ballistic missile, back in the good 'ol Cold War Days when I was but a lad (Hey, kids, time for our nuclear attack drill!  Let's hide under our desks and pretend we are protected from 20-megaton explosions).   Funny to name the new OS after a long-defunct missle.  Oh, wait, maybe they are really naming it after the Polaris Automatic Swimming Pool Cleaner, which roves around sucking the algae and scum off the interior surface of the pool....maybe that fits better....cheeky

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ...yeah when I first saw this mentioned, the old missile came to mind.

    The only difference from the pool cleaner is that this Polaris sounds like it might do the opposite.

    Of course here's also the Polaris that makes snowmobiles, the bane of anyone who appreciates a nice quiet, peaceful winter.

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    kyoto kid said:

    ...yeah when I first saw this mentioned, the old missile came to mind.

    The only difference from the pool cleaner is that this Polaris sounds like it might do the opposite.

    Of course here's also the Polaris that makes snowmobiles, the bane of anyone who appreciates a nice quiet, peaceful winter.

    They also made Victory motorcycles, the bane of anyone who actually bought one.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ....yes

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