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Oh, H3ll yes! LOL... If it ain't part of the sim, hide it. You do need a floor of some sort if the clothing will touch it, otherwise it keeps going. However, a single poly plane primitive works just fine in many situations.
Try using the first "animated" setting in the drop-down, (Simulation Settings,) with the default pose at Frame 0 and the target pose about halfway down the Timeline. (I generally use 61 frames, so set my pose at frame 30, but frame 15 with 31 frames should work as well.)
Check out this post, and let me know if that helps you understand weightmapping. If you have any questions there, feel free to ask. (I expect to finish a post I've got in draft later today. Holidays have been busier than expected!)
On more complicated things with layers, I tend to run the dForce work flow in layers.
I will start with the item closest to the body only (and set all outer clothing items and hair as invisible to the simulation)
When I'm satisfied I will move onto the next item and set the fist part to Freeze Simulation.
As I move through the items I will set dFoce onto that item. Everything that's already been simulated will be set to "Freeze Simulation" and everything that's not had a turn will be invisible to simulation.
ok.. I guess I don't know what you mean... The dress is totally ignoring my floor plane (like the shoes)... I'll have to see if I can find a video on how to use the timeline. Gonna be a bit til I figure it out. Thanks for suggestion.
You need to add the dForce modifier "Static Surface" to anything that the simulated item is meant to colide with. So make sure you add the Static Surface modifier to your floor primitive.
In my experience, that is not the case. Simulated items collide with all visible geometry in the scene, unless you have set Visible in Simulation to OFF. You only need to add the Static Surface modifier if you want to be able to control friction on that collision object.
I'm using the timeline in both these videos - maybe it will help :)
Huh, they might have changed it then? Because I could have sworn that when I first started messing with dForce (but this was in it's beta stage) that if you didn't apply the static surface modifier to the floor plane the clothing falls through it. They might have changed it though.
I don't recall ever using the Static Surface modifier on the the floor, but I do recall things that managed to ignore the existance of other items in the scene. It might be specific to the item being simulated. In any event, I much rather use that modifier and not need it, then waste time running a sim only to find I do need it! I think it's a good habit to have.
What skirt is that? Thanks.
Very true! :) Considering how long some simulations take, it's probably best to err on the side of caution. lol
ok... that is not working.. I must be missing something.. the plane (added Static Surface modifier to it... CHECK...Visible in Simulation IS.. ON.. CHECK) I used for the floor is being ignored... I restarted a whole new project and all I get are holes in her dress where the floor is... but the dress still goes below the floor. I need a step1 .. step2... etc.. set of instructions.. If I ever get this figured out... I'm gonna write one.. lol. I can't be the only one having this much trouble :(
Is your pose taking the figure BELOW the floore plane? Because that's the only thing I can think of why the dress would be going below the floor.
I'm about to have dinner but after I eat I'll try and come up with a quick step by step tutorial and post it.
Yes Diva... I thought the dress would HIKE UP to the floor plane (as Aave suggested) and then stop... but it's not. Darn .. this is harder than I thought... Leave it to me to think 'outside the box' and mess stuff up... Have a great dinner.. I'll be about for a few more hours.. I'm not tired yet. I'll keep playing.. Thank you for your help :)
Here's a look at my quick render with the floor plane as static... you can see the dress isn't HIKED UP to the floor.... bummer... I'm gonna see if I can figure out the timeline stuff Mada suggested... and I see I have a few more posts to read.
Thank you Mada.. I'm watching both... I watched the one with the red dress last night.. I'll have to rewatch it slower.. lol.. I like to follow along. ;)
Ok, here's a quick step by step. This is just how I do, there might be better ways to do it, but this is just how I, personally, do it. In this walkthrough I'll be using Victoria 6, but you can probably use any Genesis figure. I've not tried it with Victoria 4, I think, but I've heard some have had trouble using dForce with her. I don't think I've tried it with her though, so for now I'm just using Genesis 2 for this.
See if that works for you. Once you get the steps down you can do more complex things like using the Time Line and/or using the "Start Bones from Memorized Posed". Both of which require a bit more thought in the pose and making sure that at no time during the simulation the clothing drops below the primitive plane and that the figure's fingers or feet don't collide too much with the cloth (which can cause clothing explosions). But like I said, once you get a feel for it and doing the static pose simulations, you can branch off into the more complex simulations.
aaaaa HAAAAAAAAAA... I knew I was missing something.. NO where did anyone mention Item #10 in your instructions... So I have to shape the dress around the mannequin BEFORE i simulate! I'm so excited.. gonna try that now... I have G2 and the MFD for her.. Brb.. lol. Now I can't sleep... lol
I hope it works for you. Let me know how it goes! :) The key is to make sure that the cloth is outside and above anything that it's going to collide with. Make sure it's not touching the floor plane and that it's not poking through the body.
Got'cha... running simulation now... I'm gonna copy and paste your steps into a notecard for future reference.. I'll post resultas as soon as the simulation is finished (crosses fingers)
ok.. quick play before bedtime... I wasn't sure if I should turn smoothing ON before simulation... so I have some poke though in the back by her tushie. Here's before (with morphs) and after simulation. I'll play more tomorrow... getting tired. Thanks for help :) Merry Christmas!!!
Looks like you might have moved the dress out too far from the body before simulating.
You're getting it though. I think you can probably use the Time Line or the Start Bones from Memorized Pose if you're comfortable with the simulation process (you'll get MUCH better draping with those).
I hope that the tutorial was helpful. Merry Christmas! :) Sleep well!
I've actually been a bit disappointed in the dForce products that have come out so far, there is so much more you can do with it and they are not being used maybe it just a tough learning curve for vendor at the start. I'm sure it will get better in the future when they learn more. I give at least 3 different option to load it and a half hour walk through on using it, but that's me any doubt I do a tutorial, heck I may not even get it through QA but you have to start somewhere before taking on the more complex stuff ! so looking forward to what people can do once they get their head around it !
The modifier is needed for static surfaces only if you wish to change from the default values - all items will be treated as static unless Visible In Simulation is off for the object.
If that is true... then why did my dress go THROUGH the shoes instead of OVER the shoes (see post above)... and that doesn't explain the long dress going through the floor either. Just asking.. Still trying to learn it. :)
btw.. what is the difference between dForce and dynamic clothing? Is dForce taking it's place?
Optitex is a cloth simulator for people making real world clothing to simulate how their designs will act. They and Daz jointly developed a plugin for DS, which still works, and a moderate amount of clothing designed to work with the Optitex plugin was made available on the Daz store (anything listing Optitex as one of the PAs). The person mostly involved in making the Daz/Optitex clothes, a clothing designer in Israel who owned the Optitex software for his day job, also had a store elsewhere with a bunch of Optitex/Daz freebies on it. As with Poser dynamics, it's not a guarantee that Optitex clothing will work in dForce, but it's more likely to work than random non-dforce conforming items picked out of your wardrobe. Getting it to work with dForce is complicated enough that I don't recommend messing with it unless you were already comfortable with Optitex or own some of the Optitex clothes. Steps for using Optitex dynamics with dForce:
1). Once you load an Optitex dynamic into a scene, do not save the scene until you have clicked "freeze simulation" on the Optitex plugin window. If you save the scene before then, there is a risk of the mesh glitching out and turning into gray squares.
2). Do not bother with "fit to" on Optitex dynamics, unless you are using them on the generation of figure they were intended for (mostly V4/M4 and Genesis 1, although there were some made for Genesis 2 and Genesis 3). Instead, position the character inside of the clothes as best you can (this may involve y-translation, z-translation of the character, or bending the forearms slightly forward or pulling the thighs closer to the body). In some cases, it is useful to parent the clothing to the chest or hip of the figure without hitting fit to.
3). Apply Dforce modifier to Optitex clothing. DO NOT wait until you freeze the Optitex simulation, because it will not let you add a dForce modifier at that point.
4). Open the Optitex dynamic window, and do a single frame drape to get the clothing basically fitted to the character in its starting pose.
5). Open timeline window, skim to frame 20 or 30, pose your character in whatever you want as its final pose. skim timeline back to frame zero.
6). Go through the normal stuff in the surfaces tab that you would normally do for a dforce simulation.
7). In the dforce simulation window, turn off "start from memorized poses" and select the animated drape covering the whole timeline. Click simulate.
8). If you are happy with the results, select the clothing item and go back to the Optitex drape window. The little square with the lines through it should be hovering just outside the Optitex window in your viewport. When you click on that, you will have an option to freeze simulation. This will convert it to a prop object, and also take away the dforce properties.
9). it is now safe to save your scene.
That would sound like a bug (unless the set-up has changed and I missed it - the dForce Start Here thread still says all surfaces are treated as colliders with default values still) so please report it, attaching an example scene with a note of the content used.
You could also export as OBJ, initially or after step 4, and drape that.
soo.... in a nutshell.. Dynamic cloth is still needed for the Optitex products... and dForce is used for all other conforming clothing... Got'cha. I've played a little with Dynamic cloth and do have most of the Optitex items that Daz offers... also found a bunch of freebies on the Optitex site... I must admit the little playing I did.. didn't reap good results so I abandoned it.
I want easy peasy... and I believe I'm not the only one in that reguard... specially for newbies just starting out. If a program, or a feature of the program, is too hard to use... It gets abandoned... I've not used half of what Daz can do... and I've been working with it for over 5 years now. Add to that having to buy a new/faster computer/graphics card to make things work... Unless you are a PA and making money with Daz... I believe most people won't use all the features of a program if they are too complicated. Maybe that is why there aren't many dForce outfits Midnight_stories?
Thanks Odaa... I'm gonna have to wait to play with this for a few days... Hubby has a birthday this week... Lots to do. I'll copy this to a notecard for future reference.
ok.. so I finally got the MFD for G2F sorted... I guess I didn't realize there were morphs for the dress.... duhh... Also.. a little tidbit... after the dress is done simulating.. you can still play with the morphs to further get the dress how you like it. All I did was make the dress shorter to get it off the shoe area... waa laaa... here's the result... I'm lovin' MFD.. I'm on to the next item to try :)