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I pretty much hated the US version on principl,e and then watched the US pilot and no. just no. I think more than anything it was the cinematography that did it for me (also I'd rather look at John Simm than Jason O'Mara). The UK version had a bit more stylization that really set the mood, whereas the US version was pretty generic
for the record I'm not one of those foreign version is always better folks either, I liked Elementary better than Sherlock (though I haven't watched either in a while) I felt very vindicated with the reactions to the last Sherlock season , I must say.
Romana went through a number of looks before settling on being a copy of another character who had been on the show for that adventure only. The Doctor said it was very bad form to take someone else's face but she ignored him.
I think that when they started that adventure another actress was going to stay with the series but for some reason it changed to Lala Ward so they had to make the original Romana regenerate into Lala Ward.
I'm looking foreward to seeing what Jodie Whittaker is like as The Doctor. Doctor Who has always gone through changes. I was unhappy with his first regeneration at first, but Patrick Troughton is my favourite Doctor now.
We've just finished Elementary season 1 on British Freeview and I really liked it. I thought Sherlock tried a bit too hard to be clever with the titles that were similar to the original Sherlock Holmes stories and the plots that started out seeming the same and then veered off somewhere else.
I really enjoyed Life on Mars and I didn't know there was an American version. I haven't got satellite and I haven't seen it on Freeview, but it's difficult to keep track of all the channels.
Yeah, Mary Tamm was originally going to carry on as Romana, if I recall correctly, but she was heavily pregnant so they went with Lalla. It also explains why Romana never got a decent regen scene because they'd have to explain the baby bump. Instead they went with the bargain basement version.
I too prefer Elementary to Sherlock; I think they are both equally executed, but Sherlock sort of sticks more to the original stories, and well they've been done to death.
Back on topic.
I hope the stories improve, they've been dropping off for some time now; occasional good ones, but not up to the talent and abilities of the actors. Oh and would like to see some decent chemistry between the Doctor and the Assistant... And can we not have multiple assistants, for me, it doesn't work except as an occasional change.
I lost itnerest in both Sherlock and Elementary at the same time, so I'm not going there except to say I never thought of them as the US/UK versions. They are very different takes on the Holmes mythos, which I feel is something very different from having a hit original film idea in the UK remade by Hollywood. To me they are simply variations on the idea "what if Holmes lived today." I might feel differently if they had tried to make Holmes American, but they had better sense than that.
I liked Capaldi's run to the extent I watched, but I've been less and less motivated to keep up as it went along, and I expect that's down to the writing things people keep laying on Moffatt. I though he did well enough with the Pond family run and 11, though I understand there are those who dislike where he took River. The Impossible Girl arc was decent, too, but I'd agree that the show seems to have been on a kind of downward spiral since 10.
I'm more excited to hear there's a talented show runner with chops about to step up. The series needs a change, no matter how you fall on the current show runner.
And now you gave me reason to actually watch Broadchurch. No, not Tennant - good reason, but not good enough - but Eve Myles, I actually miss Gwen :D
I have high hopes for both the new showrunner and The Doctor. Going to keep my fingers crossed. I only started watching in Eccleston era, and got scared almost to death with first episodes I've ever seen (Empty Child arc), but it's my absolutely beloved TV series now, wouldn't want to see it going in weird direction, like half of Smith era ^^' Go BBC!
Watching for Eve is as good a reason as any IMO, but do be aware that she's only in the second season of Broadchurch. Although, if you don't watch the first season you won't have a clue as to what's going on with either of the two main plots.
Just from the teaser and some still pictures, my reaction to the new Doctor has more to do with "Someone who seems happy and likeable!" than the gender. I made it through the Calpaldi episodes, but didn't really like them, and I've got many friends who wouldn't put up with him at all.
With BBC pay scales in the news today, it does make one curious as to whether they went with a female Doctor in order to lower production costs.
I'd watch it from the Season 1 anyway, but thank you for the warning, muchly appreciated :)
Still, I've got impressive backlog of British dramas to catch upon, whole Broadchurch goes to the bottom of the list, way after newest seasons of Death in Paradise, Silent Witness, Father Brown... Now that I'm back being single I have plenty of time to kill and lots of series to watch :D
Capaldi was an attempt to throw back. Because, let's face it, the production team of Doctor Who are old school fans. And other than Peter Davidson and Paul McGann, the Doctor had always been a fairly aged fellow.
I am pretty old school. I go back as far as 3, bt my First Doctor was 4. I can take the Doctor however the Doctor is present as long as it's the Doctor. (For ex, Rowan Atkison's Red Nose Day short is brilliant, and very, very Whovian for a parody). I don't think the current fan base is old school though. I know plent of people my age who had never seen the DOctor before 9, and while they know of the the other 8 Doctors, they don't know them or care. Like many things, the old school are a fringe. A thick, and heavy fringe who can destry you if you displease them, but not the core movers. I suspect Capaldi is fine to the fringe because he's very much in the mold of Doctors we know, but for the core of new fans, he's something really different.
9 was a pretty grim dude compared to 10 and 11, and even he was no where near as... stern, I guess, a Doctor as had come before or as Capaldi. Hell, IMO, the War Doctor--who was meant to be a grim spectre--was rather more fun the Capaldi, in terms of personality (I like Capaldi just fine. I'm just trying to see him from the POV of people whose entire who was 9, 10, and 11). I think it was just too much a shock to see this side of the Doctor after the rather more playful versions given before.
Maybe it's just those eyebrows. I mean, Capaldi did quite a bit of The Doctor, IMO. The definite article, as it were. But even his playful side often came across with an edge of menace (again, maybe due to eyebrows) and I think that might have been too unfamiliar for many.
I started with 9th, totally loved 10th and the guy I actually hated was 11th - Capaldi as 12th was such a huge relief to me, not a shock. BTW, something's wrong with his eyebrows? O.o
I'm not aware of anything wrong with Peter Capaldi's eyebrows, per se. I simply make reference to events in the show.
Indeed, there was something on that :D
Glad there's still Christmas Special coming up with Capaldi - didn't say my final goodbye yet, have to mourn him properly ;) With Smith, it was like "Bye Matt, hope to never see you again" - and of course, I had to have him stuffed in my face in Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, lucky me.
That is not my opinion, but whatever The Doctor says about his eyebrows is his sacred and unlimited right to say :P
Doctor Who has been my favorite show for almost my entire life and I'm really happy with the choice and incredibly excited about what it can mean for the future of the show. In fact I think I've been ready most of the time I've been a fan because when I was very young I can remember having a dream about there being a woman Doctor (oddly though it was the news reader Sue Lawley, never understood that) so it's very easy for me to accept. But I know a few good friends who are not as comfortable as me for many varied, complex and personal reasons none of which is simply because she is a woman taking a mans part. Yes there is many people out there saying the most outrageously sexist things about this and they deserve everything they get frankly, but not everyone who doesn't like the idea is and need to be allowed to make that journey of acceptance at their own speed and in their own time, I honestly believe that there will be many people who will say after Jodie has her first series that they can't understand what they were worried about or why they thought it was such a big deal but there will also be people who will feel ashamed at some of the names and snap judgments they made about people as well. The Doctor fights intolerance yes, but he (and soon she) also fights for understanding and kindness and sometimes there is too much shouting to remember that. But not here! This is a wonderfully relaxed and good humored thread and I'm glad to have found it.
But if anyone does come along with a different view to you lets try not to judge them too harshly. Unless they are being an absolute idiot about things, then they'd better RUN!
I'd love to see Matt and David and Christopher (no chance in hell of that) and Peter again. I thought they were fine Doctors. Although, 10 is so obviously the best Doctor, that it almost goes without saying. I have high hopes for the new Doctor, though.
It's a tough role to carry off, the Doctor. Because while the Doctor can be bewidering or affable or just a lot of fun, the Doctor also has a very scary side. Like, sometimes there are scenes where they've spent one or more episodes creeping you out with some threat or another, and then the most terrifying thing in the room turns out to be the Doctor. 10 was particularly good at that. Waters of Mars comes to mind, though 11 had his moments ("Didn't anyone ever tell you there's one thing you never put in a trap, if you're smart, if you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there's one thing you never, ever put in a trap." "And what would that be, sir?" "Me.").
It's always a concern when they switch Doctors that the new one won't have it, at least for me. So far, it's not been an issue, though.
Finally someone who agrees that the 11th doctor was, well, rubbish. Nothing against the actor, merely the portrayal.
I imprinted on Baker as Doctor, though I have to admit that most of the episodes at that time were, at best, really flipping goony.
I have wanted a female Dr Who for years... Bravo to the folks who decided that now was the time to make the change
I'm delighted to finally have a female Doctor, but even moreso to have a new showrunner, as I've really grown to hate Moffatt. I've only seen one or two Capaldi episodes as a result. Of the modern regenerations, I really liked 9 (and Eccleston probably hates Moffatt even more than I do).
I think multiple assistants can work if they work well together. I thought the team of Zoe and Jamie with Patrick Troughton was one of the best Doctor/Assistant groups they ever had.
Bring back Romana!
Cheers,
Alex.
I loved every Doctor except Pertwee and Colin Baker. I look forward to 13, love the idea that the Doctor is now a woman, and think Chibnall is going to revitalize the franchise.
I boggle at the idea that it was possible to love 8.
Nothing against Paul McGann, but he was the Doctor for one TV movie and webisode. Hardly seems enough time to love the guy.
Maybe they've been through his Big Finish adventures? Colin Baker gets a lot of respect and love now because of them. Even so, McGann was a good Doctor, or at least he had the potential to be, it was everything else in the TV movie that let him down.
Expanded universe, then. Not familiar, myself. I like 8. He seems a decent fellow. Similarly, I like 9. For me, one series wasn't enough for love. So one long episode being enough is beyond my ability to process.
Though I have to admit, it didn't take long for me to love 10. I mean, until him, the Doctor was 4, and everyone else was jst kind of there, doing the job. And I kinda have a running dislike of Colin Baker, though he's still the Doctor. But it did take me a while to warm up to 10. It wasn't until 12 that I decided that 4 was now runner up as far as my ideal Doctor goes. Keeping in mind, my exposure to nuWho was actually 11. It was Matt Smith what made me want to watch again. The God Complex, IIRC. Saw that and decided, time to check this out. Had Amazon Prime in those days and most of Doctor Who was on it.
Good times.
I'm not familiar with the EU either and I don't consider it canon, but it does have it's fans and it would explain their love for 8. I agree that his shirt amount of tine on screen isn't enough for love.
It didn't take me long to like 10 either, although I was a fan of Tennant's other work (i.e. Casanova) so I was somewhat biased. What surprised me was how quickly I warmed to 11, given that he was unknown to me. He became the Doctor to me with his speech at the end of The Eleventh Hour and by the end of The Beast Below I was hooked. If I'm honest I think he's my favourite new Who Doctor, although they are all close for different reasons. 4 is still my overall favourite and it's where I came on board in the 70's. He was my first Doctor and introduction to all things Who. The God Complex is a great episode.
I feel Colin Baker is a bit like Timothy Dalton in Bond. They are the right Doctor but at the wrong time. In both cases they tried to make him a 'darker' character and the general audiences weren't ready. Since then both new Who and Bond (with Daniel Craig) have gone this darker route to great success.