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  • 9 was my first, and 10 is my favorite.  11 eventually grew on me, but I still prefer 9 and War to 11.  And anyone over 12 (well, ok, not 1.  He was kind of difficult too).

    Contrary to all that though, I'll admit that 11 can make a hell of a speech, and my favorite episode is one of his - Rings of Akhaten.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,483
    edited July 2017

    One thing that no one has really mentioned is that, in a great way, it's the Companions that have made or broken the more recent Doctors, as the writers have really focused a lot more on them than during the much differently structured original series. Eccleston was really fortunate to have three very different ones during his one season run with Rose, Captain Jack and Mickey, and Tennat benefitted enormously from having some great ones between having two of the best Doctor/Companion relationships with Rose and Donna Noble, as well as being the first Doctor to re-encounter and have new adventures with previous companions like Sarah Jane Smith and Captain Jack. (And just to be clear, I thought Matha Jones was okay, but her relationship with Tennant didn't sparkle like the others.)  The early Matt Smith Doctor benefitted tremendously from the Ponds and River, but by the time Clara came along she seemed to be more of plot device posing as a character, which Capaldi then inherited.  I'm curious at this point if we'll see Bill and the Pilot return with the 13th, as some of the dialog at the end of the Doctor Falls does seem to indicate that it's a possibility.

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  • VilianVilian Posts: 293

    Captain Jack was a fun character, though Torchwood series proved he had quite a dark side too. Still, one of my most favourite companions, right after Rose. River and Donna are both on third place :)

  • I think that might be part of the key behind 10's level of awesome.

    As the Doctor, 10 is pretty great. But more than that, he inherited 9's companions on account of Ecchelston departing before the writers were don with them. Then he got a strong collection of his own between companions and recurring  players. 10's world was definitely the richest in terms of cool people to pop in.

    The difficulty in writing for the Doctor, I think, is that the Doctor is such a big character. Too many potential emotional strings to pull, and pulling them is fairly at odds with his expected attitude. We like to see them pulled. We like to see the Doctor go to the edge, but not all the time. In fact, I think we enjoy the Doctor's sense of wonder even more than the Doctor's wrath. It's very much easier to raise stakes by viewing the Doctor from the lens of his companions. Which is probably why Martha falls flat more than anything, IMO. We'd already done the star struck girl mooning over the distant god-like entity with Rose. I mean, seriously, we just did that. With Martha's POV being the same thing, different girl, it didn't really give us anything new. Because even with a companion focus, that mechanism works best when the focus is the Companion's view of the Doctor.

    Clara was at her best while she was struggling to deal with understanding that 12 was and was not 11. Outside of that, she didn't seem to have any kind of take on the Doctor, other than "this is fun." Donna's impression of the Doctor was set out in her first appearance, and her williness to challenge the Doctor's wrath and turns of cynicism carry through. Donna strikes me as someon who saw the Doctor as best bud on the wagon, who need to reminded not to fall off, now and then. (The Doctor's agon being trying not wipe out civilizations because they made bad decisions. "One chance.")

    I haven't played catchup with this season yet, so I won't comment on Bill.

    Anything said about Jack Harkness would be insufficient.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,483

    I think that might be part of the key behind 10's level of awesome.

    As the Doctor, 10 is pretty great. But more than that, he inherited 9's companions on account of Ecchelston departing before the writers were don with them. Then he got a strong collection of his own between companions and recurring  players. 10's world was definitely the richest in terms of cool people to pop in.

     

    Exactly.  The key difference between the years of Russell T. Davies as showrunner and those of Moffat are that Davies went for a lot of epic storylines and big broad strokes that introduced a lot of happy accidents whereas Moffat obviously loves to do more tightly integrated storylines with smaller casts and plots that keep folding back on themselves.  Both men produced a lot of fantastic episodes, but I think Davies' Who-verse always felt bigger and more full of wonder, while Moffat's tended to be more scary and foreboding.  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,483
    Vilian said:

    Captain Jack was a fun character, though Torchwood series proved he had quite a dark side too. Still, one of my most favourite companions, right after Rose. River and Donna are both on third place :)

    In one of the rare cases where we agree on something, my wife and I both agree that Donna was our favorite companion to date.  There's been so much sexual innuendo between the Doctor and the various new Companions since the series was rebooted, but for once it was refreshingly absent and we had the equivalent of a "buddy film" relationship.  And that character arc...  ouch, Davies really sucker punched everyone with that one.  Just really great writing.   

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    lwaves said:

    Nothing against Paul McGann, but he was the Doctor for one TV movie and webisode. Hardly seems enough time to love the guy.

    Maybe they've been through his Big Finish adventures? Colin Baker gets a lot of respect and love now because of them. Even so, McGann was a good Doctor, or at least he had the potential to be, it was everything else in the TV movie that let him down.

    <nod> And don't forget, during the webisode where 8 regenerated into the War Doctor, he named all of the Companions who appeared in the Big Finish yarns. They're all canon now. (And that scene made my hair stand on end when I realised what he was saying.)

  • Singular BluesSingular Blues Posts: 737
    edited July 2017

    The "ground crew" and the showrunners have been fans of the expanded Who, so I'm not exactly surprised to hear that.

    I know there are allusions to the audio and written adventures all through nuWho, but I wouldn't recognize one if it pimp slapped me.

    Not humble bragging or trying to minimize nerd cred. Just saying I know my limits. Still, if 8 has a lot of EU adventures, it makes more sense to love the guy.

    I'm pretty big on shows adding things for core fans, even if I'm not the target. Like I know from Youtube that the hero ship from Star Wars Rebels (which I don't follow) is in the space battle at Scarif Base in Rogue One. I thought that was a nice touch. I was actually pretty happy to see McGann in the webisode, too.

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  • lwaveslwaves Posts: 238

    <nod> And don't forget, during the webisode where 8 regenerated into the War Doctor, he named all of the Companions who appeared in the Big Finish yarns. They're all canon now. (And that scene made my hair stand on end when I realised what he was saying.)

    Yes, although to me that just means that his companion names are canon, not necessarily the stories but I could stretch to that. I can understand how BF and 8 fans would like this bit though. Some people claim this canonises all BF stories but it doesn't. I'm a stickler about adding EU stuff, if it's not directly in the main shows/films, it doesn't count.

  • MGHSFAN2kMGHSFAN2k Posts: 125

    This is my take on the 13th Doctor... any notes for the head morph to help make it look more like Jodie Whittaker?

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,195
    edited July 2017
    th3Digit said:

    was odd he had not regenerated as a woman sooner given Timelords can and I am afraid I stopped following the series long ago

    While I still take a belated interest in what the Doctor has been up to, he is no longer an addiction.   I'll wait until the episodes are available without fee.  But if I don't view this season's episodes and don't see the really old ones that I've missed, I won't delay my demise hoping for them.  As for The Doctor being a woman..., meh, six of one, half-a-dozen of another.  The Doctor has become secondary to the special effects these days.  Much like most of today's movies.  If it weren't for the need for live actors, the movie producers and backers would be happy to do without them.  But, the day is coming... surprise

     

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  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,904
    MGHSFAN2k said:

    This is my take on the 13th Doctor... any notes for the head morph to help make it look more like Jodie Whittaker?

    That's a really good start - the eyes and nose look about right to me (maybe make the nose a little wider at the bottom and the eyes curve down more) and I recognised her as Whittaker.

    I think the mouth needs to be a bit wider and the face a bit longer (it's a tiny bit too round at the moment) especially at the lower face.

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