The New Dr Who
jcbunn
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Looks alot like V8 or rather Victoria 8 looks like her
I don't care about the rest of the worlds opinion. Dr Who can be any sex any race any ...well maybe not a Dalek but I support her
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-40626273/doctor-who-s-13th-time-lord-unveiled
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Nice find; I don't have an easy means of watching it but I can support this.
The tears are delicious
Being a "bloody Yank", I didn't per say, grow up with the show. I didn't have a chance to see it until August 1982 when I was 19. Still, I guess that makes me (comparatively) a "long time" fan. One might assume those factors would make be resistant to "radical" changes. But I for one am thrilled by the casting! Okay, I don't know Whittaker. I haven't seen "Broadchurch" or the other productions in which she has appeared, so I have no preconceptions about her acring style. but the there was a certain "twinkle" in her eye during that official teaser, something that said to me, Yes, this person is right for the role." Besides, the seeds for gender change during regeneration was planted as early as "The Doctor's Wife" (when Smith's Doctor talks about the Corsair). Then we had Missy appear and finally we saw the General regenerate BACK To a woman on screen in "Hell Bent". The groundwork was placed. (Yes, there was Joana Lumbley in "The Curse of Fatal Death", but that was a "Red Nose Day" parody.)
Anyway, for those who have not seen it, and for those who want to see the teaser again, here's how the BBC revealed the latest casting.
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Bill
I've been a fan a... while, lets say, and it is about time we had a woman doctor.
I thought a female doctor would be great - but I was hoping for Olivia Colman, who I really like. I loathed Jodie Whittaker in the two seasons of Broadchurch I've seen - I have my fingers crossed it was me reacting to the character and not her acting style.
It's amusing, given that another Doctor is ALSO on Broadchurch. Heh.
was odd he had not regenerated as a woman sooner given Timelords can and I am afraid I stopped following the series long ago
They probably didn't think the world was ready for a female Doctor as yet until now. Hard to say.
Why?
Leaving aside human sexual politics and gender wars, and sticking directly to the core mythos, it is known that regeneration is a semi directed process. It is also established that the Doctor isn't very good at directing.
However, The 50th special pretty much directly states that the Doctor's subconcious plays a role when the War Doctor takes the piss out 10 and 11 for being young. One can infer that 12's incarnation is something of sign of a healed mind, given that 9, 10, and 11 seemed to be a progression toward childhood.
No doubt 13 will have something to say about it. No all fans are fanatics, so they'll have to soft serve the idea, at least a bit. But regular viewers already have the direct evidence of the Time Lord head of security regenerating as a woman when the Doctor shot him, and the Master/Missy thing. Which has pretty much been a set up toward this.
So one can easily infer that the Doctor simply never thought about it much. When you consider all the things he knows, and all the things that still manage to surprise him after 2000 years, the guy shows a marked tendency to hyper focus. Or as he himself put it, he spent rather too much of his childhood figuring out new methods to turn a screw.
To have Missy get really, really in his face with the idea makes plausible that the idea would actually start to stick. I mean, for a lot people just knowing a thing is possible doesn't make it real and it doesn't gain the weight of reality in their minds until it hits close to home. Missy is the Doctor's best frienemy. It doesn't get closer than that, really.
Probably too much thought in a reply to one line, but it doesn't really seem odd, in universe (Most Time Lords don't gender swap that we've seen, and both Missy/Master and the Doctor have exceed the normal Time Lord alotment of lives. If an outcome can happen, it eventually will if you try long enough, so one can also reason that the 14th time was the charm). And in reality, where real hman people are responsible for making the show happen, it's a bit surprising that it happened so soon.
My daughters, 8 and 6 & 1/2 are over the moon that the new Doctor is gonna be a woman.
meh - the news itself isn't suprising (they've been laying the groundwork for a while). Never heard of the actress in question (though hadn't heard of Tennant or Smith either so that's not a big deal).
They've also got a new lead and new writers so we'll either get:
a) a fresh and intersting perspective.
b) different for the sake of being different.
c) a train-wreck.
This could happen with any new doctor / team so as always: Wait and see.
I wonder about the new companion as well. Have we had any hints? - Will she go with a male companion? Maybe an alien / non-present-day human? Wasn't overly fond of Bill, but at least she had some snappy come-backs to The Doctor.
I didn't see the first series of Dr Who on screen, but it was a must-watch in our household (from behind the sofa if necessary) from then on. I remember my uncle recording an episode for us while we were on holiday without TV, so we came back to an episode on Skaro wandering through tunnels beneath the Dalek city, lots of drips & echoes and the occasional scream when someone fell. Reel to reel tape makes the visual imagination work harder. I was delighted they brought the show back and watched some of Ecclestone and Tennant. I may watch the new one, just to see how the show restarts. I'm rather out of the loop with the overarching story now.
I haven't really followed Dr. Who before or after Tom Baker but I do recognize her from Attack the Block, an entertaining sci-fi adventure film.
I though it could be good if the new companion was someone who had known the Doctor for a long time or travelled with the Doctor before (not necessarily on screen).
A DS9 Sisko and Dax style relationship could be good fun, where although they are both accepting of the change, there could be references to stuff from their shared past eg. Someone they both tried to chat up, or the Doctor drunk at a Stag do.
The only regret is not giving Capaldi a chance with decent storylines and scripts. It would have been nice to see what he could do in one more season working with Chris Chibnal instead of Moffat.
A vastly under-rated film, IMHO
Underrated?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Attack_the_Block/
I liked Bill, but there seems to have been a lack of rapport between them since Eccleston/Tennant and Piper, with some exception for Coleman.
Agreed.
I recognise the actor's face, so that is maybe where I have seen her.
TWO other Doctors, a companion and one of the stars of TORCHWOOD. Besides Tennant, there's David Bradley (from the first seaon of Broadchurch) who has now officially taken over the role of the first Doctor after portryaing William Hartnell in the BBC Biopic AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME, Arthur Darvil (Rorey one of the 11th Doctor's companion and Amy Pond's boyfriend), and Eve Myles (Gwen Cooper on TORCHWOOD and multiple DW appearances). And just to add to the fun, BROADCHURCH's Olivia Coleman, who was heavily rumored to be the 13 Doctor, also appeared in an episode of DW.
I actually have something of a theory about this, regeneration as a whole and why it's taken all this time for the Doctor to become female.
Too many fans think that all regenerations are random because that's mainly what we've seen with the Doctor. That's understandable as there is definitely a degree of randomness to the process. But, as you say, there is some direction involved at times. Ten circumvented his regen and Simm's Master stopped his altogether. We've also seen that the process can be manipulated to bring about certain results, i.e. 2nd to 3rd Doctor was manipulated by the Timelords and Eight to War was manipulated by the Sisters Of Karn.
We've also seen that regen energy can be given out by the Timelords, in any amount they wish, as this has happened to Eleven and to the Master.
So, if regens can be manipulated during and after the fact, surely that energy can be manipulated before it's handed out? What if the Doctor's first cycle was deleberately all male, maybe he wanted it that way? Others could have all female cycles whilst others have a mix. Then, when Eleven was at his end, the Timelords just gave him what they had in the heat of the moment, which started his second cycle of an unknown amount of regens. Maybe that second batch was a mix of genders? We know Twelve's face was deliberate because of his past actions, therefore it needed to be male to remind him of the Roman guy in Pompeii. With that out of the way, there really was nothing stopping him becoming female, just like other Timelords.
Of course this is all speculative, apart from the bits we know about, but this seems like a plausible possibility to me.
Any thoughts? Anyone?
First, since the regen hasn't officially happened yet, we may actually see what spurs the gender choice in the Christmas episode, since right now, he seems ready to never regenerate again.
However, on the speculative front, I think 12's gender choice will probably be most influenced by his relationship with Missy. Maybe somehow in honor of the final death of his old friend, given that it took her becoming a woman to lead her to finally find some semblance of compassion. Missy essentially gave him back his best friend, or damn near did, although I guess he'll never know that in the end she did choose him over her old self...literally.
I grew up with the Doctor. I remember the first series with William Hartnell (I also remember the first episode of Coronation Street). However, I lost interest after Tom Baker, watched again with Christopher Eccleston but couldn't get enthusiastic about David Tennant or Matt Smith. Casting Peter Capaldi was a complete no-no from the start for me. I kept expecting (or hoping for) a stream of invective a la The Thick of It so I couldn't take him seriously as the Doctor. He will always be Malcolm Tucker in my mind and long may that be so.
As for a female Doctor - why not? It might be an interesting storyline to bring back River Song who, if memory serves, becomes the Doctor's wife at some point.
Let's not forget that fellow Time Lord Romana changed forms voluntarily several times before changing into Lala Ward during the run of the fourth Doctor, so one can really ret-con how the process works all one likes. In the end, though, it really comes down to the BBC being rightly concerned that there would be parts of the fan base that wouldn't be ready to accept the idea of a female Doctor until now. Obviously there still are those out there who wanted yet another male, but they've been telegraphing that this is coming for a long time.
Either Romana or the Rani was said to be particularly good at choosing her regenerations been a long time since I saw those. The Doctor has been implied to be rather the opposite, back then.
But, yeah, as Cybersox said, given the War Doctor's chiding about his later self having something against being old, and 12 asking what he was trying to tell himself by choosing a particular face, it's pretty much established that the process isn't random. The Doctor just seems that way, because he's not really that good at it.
10 using a regeneration to not regenerate shows that change is unavoidable under normal circumstances. Having his old hand... handy... allowed him to abort the process. By implication (one Time Lady being particularly good at it and the Doctor said to be bad at it), one infers most Time Lords are better at it than the Doctor. River indicates a certain amount possible coontrol by "Focusing on a dress size" in Let's Kill Hitler. It's not clear how successful she was, but it was technically her first regeneration as an adult.
I tend to think there's no need to invoke anything particularly tricky here to explain it. For us, the Doctor has regenerated 13 times in a span of 50 years, and we all know he was always a man because no one considered otherwise. From the Doctor's POV he regenerated rather randomly across a span of 1500 years sor so, and had a marked tendency to not want to give up a face and personality (which might be one reason he's so bad at driecting his regeneration, but I digress in to pure speculation). Indeed, if we take nu10 and nu11 at their first words, they very badly wanted to be ginger when they were 9 and 10 respectively, and failed both times.
I think the whole thing does raise the question of why he hadn't done it before now, but I also think the quirks of the Doctor's personality(ies) means there's a strong possibility the even she won't have a good answer as to why. After all, the conclusion 12 reached about his new face pretty much solidified the path that led to Clara's death, and the Clara shaped hole in his memory. It could be that he was right, and it just ended badly. It could be, OTH, that he completely missed the message he was trying to send himself, and whatever subconcious reason he has for becoming her might completely escape her grasp, too.
The Doctor is, after all, a trickster god in the old mode. And like those who came before, Coyote, Loki, Bugs Bunny, often the Doctor doesn't know what the Doctor is on about. Like those others, her real reason might be no reason at all. As the Curator (who may or may not also be the Doctor, and may or may not have chosen his particular face) said, "Who knows? Who nose?"
They make it up as they go along so who gives a stuff anymore what does, or doesn't, happen? It's not, primarily, the actor it's the script and storyline they have to work with.
Absolutely. I've been watching the show since John Pertwee was the Doctor and I think the choice of Chris Chibnall as the new show runner is inspired. Besides the riveting BROADCHURCH, he has a solid Who-verse background as the headwriter for the first series of TORCHWOOD as well as writing multiple episodes of the main series, but he also wrote for LIFE ON MARS and LAW AND ORDER UK. This would hint that the next season of DW is going to be a bit more dynamic and faster paced than the "bury you in red herrings and then pull the rug out from under you at the end of every episode" style that Stephen Moffat's fallen into the last few seasons, and a Doctor that's more in the Eccleston/Pertwee mode.
I loved both versions. Even though I knew where the UK version had gone, I got sucked into the U.S. version due to the fact that they had Harvey Keitel and was pleased to see that it went in an entirely different direction. Both versions are amazing period reconstructions with fantastic performances.