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UPDATED: can't autofit V4, V5, V6 clothes to G8

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  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,105

    yeah, but I am not sure yet if this is a G8 problem or a V8 problem (or both) when autofitting in a previous version of DAZ .... somebody would have to test that to find out

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    mcorr said:
    L'Adair said:
    mcorr said:
    I know about the free script (thanks) and have used it, but it doesn't make a g8 pose fit to g3, which is what I was talking about  (can you hear me in my no non-sensical way wondering if you read my post carefully?).

    The script is in plain text. Make a copy of the file and open it in something like Notepad. There are four entries that modify the base pose. Just negate the values. For example, find "+ 45" and change it to "- 45" (without the quotes, of course.) Same with the + 6 and - 6. Save it with a new name in your scripts folder. And there you go.

    so ... if I pose G8, save the pose, apply it to G3, and then use the modified script, then G3 will be in exactly the same pose as G8? That would be awesome.

    Pretty much. I've seen different pose helpers and some have slightly different different values. But you should be happy with the results.

    mcorr said:
    L'Adair said:
    mcorr said:
    L'Adair said:
    mcorr said:

    It seems that this whole advertising thing about "buy G8 because she is the most backward compatible" is only true with regard to skins, not cloths. G3 was the most backweard compatible in terms of autofitting cloths, but not fitting skins. Now with G8, backward compatibility is fine with skins, but not autofitting with clothes. DAZ has merely reversed the problem, not eliminated both the cloths and skins fit problems. What a joke. Can't the good programmers at DAZ get this right, or is there no money in doing so if we can all just use old clothes, instead of having to buy gobs of new clothes because the autfit has not been enabled to properly do it's job. Am I missing something here?

    From my limited experience of almost three years using Daz Studio, I found Auto-fit of older clothing to be more "hit or miss." It's more dependent on the clothing than the auto-fit clone. I've got V4/M4 clothing that fits reasonably well via auto-fit. And one outfit that really ticks me off, because nothing I've tried will get rid of the "V" crotch distortion in the skirt!

    That said, have you been following the Morphs from G3 to G8 thread? The latest tutorial from Redz starts by having you create clones for the older figures, with the instructions actually for G2F, step-by-step. These clones are said to be a better fit than those shipped with the Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials. It's not difficult and not too time consuming...

    Unless, of course, you've already done that and are still having issues getting G2 clothing to fit G8F...

    I haven't been follwoing that thread because it's (I'm guessing) about transferring morphs and I have no need for that yet ... I am just trying to get older clothes on G8, but if you are saying that that thread explicitly reveals how to get older clothes to fit to G8, than I will definitely give it a read =) Thanks!

    Sorry, no, the thread does not explicity reveal how to get older clothes to fit G8. It is about creating character morphs from older characters to use with G8. However, part of the process for creating the morphs is creating the clones. And once you have created the clone, you can use it for auto-fit. So in your case, you'd follow the tutorial through Part 2. And you can do that for characters older than G2, as well. You can even do it for male characters.

    Part 1 creates a G8F clone for the older model, which you'll need to do Part 2. And as an added bonus, the clone(s) will allow you to fit G8F clothing to the earlier models; All hit or miss, of course. Now shoes...? I don't even try to fit shoes across generations. I don't need that much stress, for so little reward...


    that's way awsome ... if the script tip you gave me allows one to make a G8 pose into a duplicate pose in G3, then I'll be totally set. Or maybe that wouldn"t be necessary with the clones?

    The clones won't help with the poses. You'll still need the script. But for the minor amount of effort, to be able to use all your G3 poses on G8 and vice-versa, it's win-win in my book!

  • rinkuchalrinkuchal Posts: 38
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:

    Every time I try to autofit clothes from previous genesis version daz crashes

    I'm having the same problem. Where do I send the error logs? The link given by the crash handler doesn't exist.

    I'm on version 4.9.4.117, trying to autofit Heroine Fantasy Armor on G8. 

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    FSMCDesigns said:

    Could be the issue then as I saw in a couple of threads that the latest version is required for genesis 8 which is the main reason i haven't installed her yet.

    I've read many a post where people are saying they can use G8/V8 just fine in older versions. In some cases, really old versions... There is functionality that won't work in earlier versions, the powerpose stuff for one. And I imagine there is a potential for issues with the figure Iray material presets, with the new Dual Lobe stuff... I'm sure we'll hear about it if something else shows up. But the figure is loading just fine, in spite of the warning popup. I've been working with the base figure and clones made using Redz tutorial I mentioned and linked to earlier in this thread, and I haven't run into any other issues, (knock on wood!) using her in the previous release. (I also have the latest version in beta form... I admit to being a bit paranoid about software "upgrades"...)

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    rinkuchal said:
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:

    Every time I try to autofit clothes from previous genesis version daz crashes

    I'm having the same problem. Where do I send the error logs? The link given by the crash handler doesn't exist.

    I'm on version 4.9.4.117, trying to autofit Heroine Fantasy Armor on G8. 

    On the bottom of the page, click on the Contact Us link. Then click on the Submit a Help Ticket button.

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449
    edited June 2017

    Genesis 8 has Auto-Fits for Genesis 1, Genesis 2 Male and Female, and Genesis 3 Male and Female.  The latest version of Studio clothing is Fit To automatically (as long as the figue is selected) and Auto-Fit comes up automatically like you would expect.  Tried older beta version of Studio and had to Fit To clothing manually but one I did Auto-Fit still worked.

    Edited to add:  Victoria 5, 6 and 7 are morphs of Genesis 1, Genesis 2 Female and Genesis 3 Female respectively, they will not have separate Auto-Fit clones

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  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,905
    edited June 2017

    My guess is that the problem is your needing to use an older version of DS (I'm using the most recent version). I tried the Genesis 2 outfit below (Everyday Wardrobe) on a posed and unposed base G3F, and the same character as above (the one in this image) both posed and unposed. Auto-fit worked perfectly on everything, including the long hair style (Christina  Hair).

    G8F in G2F clothing2.jpg
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  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    jestmart said:

    It should be working with Genesis 2 clothing.  I have better luck leaving the type as unspecified.

    Same here.  But, I don't have an option for V4 at all...not sure why.

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    There is no Victoria 4 option only the Genesiseseseses, DAZ needs to leave something for vendors to make and sell after all.

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,082

    For G8 autofit to work one needs the current latest version of Studio and can autofit the Genesis versions. V4 was never advertised for autofit. People just need to read the actual material.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,105

    Here is the process I used to add G2 clothes to G8.

    No guarantee this will work for everybody, but after lots of trial and error (little sleep and some excellent pointers by others) ... I discovered how to transfer G2 clothes to G8 if autofitting isn't working properly ... not just G2 clothes, but also clothes with their original morphing channels (which can get lost when autofitting). If you want to add G3 clothes to G8, you can go directly to the tutorial that inspired this one, namely Sickleyield's Youtube tutorial here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJk3LLfWq7Y

    Because there are similar steps involved in transferring G2 and G3 clothes to G8 (and especially if you are a visual learner), I would recommend watching Sickleyield's tutorial. In either case, it's a must for transferring G3 clothes to G8, but do take note of the fact that what I am showing here has some additional/different steps to make the clothes transfer work with G2 clothes, so be careful.

    OK ... here we go. Let's transfer some G2 clothing to G8.

    A. First do this:

    ** download this pose (script): https://www.sharecg.com/v/88527/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/G3G-G8F-pose-adjust-script

    ** put a copy ("G3F G8F pose adjust") in your script folder

    ** make another duplicate of the above script, open it with Notepad of something and change all the number 6's and 45's into their opposite value (i.e. if the script reads, -6 then change it to 6, if it says 45 then change it to -45 .... and so on (you'll have to do this 4 times). When finished name this file/pose/script ... "G8F G3 pose adjust". Also add this to your script library.

    B. Finally:

    (1) load G3 and G8 -- make sure they don't parent to each other when you load them ... and deselect both before going on to ...

    (2) add "G8F G3F pose adjust" to the G3 figure (it will go into the same stance as G8). Before going on, make sure G3 is selected in your scene

    (3) now load your fav G2 Female clothes (not shoes .... for hints how to do them, watch Sickleyield's tutorial). The autofit dialogue will open because you had G3 selected. For the autofit selection, use "Genesis 2 Female" because the clothes you are fitting are G2 clothes

    (4) now select G8 and add "G3F G8F pose adjust" to the G8 figure (it will go into the G3 T-stance) ... then deselect G8

    (5) next select your G2 clothes (which are autofitted and parented to G3) and right-click your "Scene" tab ... then choose: Edit: Scene Identification: Preferred Base (click on the far right  "..."  labeled small box): select "Genesis8: female": Accept: Accept

    (6) next select G8 first and then add (by command clicking on the MAC) the G2 clothes (both objects will now be selected).

    (7) then right-click your scene tab again and choose: Edit: Rigging: Transfer Rigging

    (8) now, select only the G2 clothes and re-fit them from G3 to G8 (Parameters: All: Fit to). No autofit dialogue box should appear. Deselect G2 clothes. Hide G3.

    (9) Select G8 and pose G8 (if all has gone well, the G2 clothes will autoflow in tandem).

    ** To deal with poke-thru (a) add a push modifier (edit: figure: geometry: Add push modifier) ... first using .20 as suggested by Sickleyield ... and/or use the smoothing/collision settings.

    ** to save the newly rigged cloths as a preset, go to File: Save As: Support Asset: Figure/Prop Assets (in order not to overwrite, assign a name different from the original)

    ***** Special thanks to Sickelyield (heavily indebted) and L'Adair (always helpful) ****

  • Singular BluesSingular Blues Posts: 737
    edited June 2017

    G8's Autofit clones use a combination of reshaping the G8 topology without changing the pose, and additional clone data that reposes the target figure to the A pose.

    As a guess, this is where the issues are coming in for older versions of Studio. I suspect this is not entirely new. G3 and G2 had additional clone data, too. But, as I recall, most clones up to now, reshaped the source figure to match the target item's intended figure. G8 does it the other way around, in the extreme.

    Redz's tut on making clones results in clones that work the old way. G8 is reshaped to match the other figure. I won't say this method is better, but I'm fairly certain it won't crash Studio versions other that the current, and it makes a good fall back position when you find an item that doesn't fit well using the clones shipped with G8.

    I've added Redz's tuts to my signature, because the Morph's thread's gotten long makingthem hard to find.

    Re: V4. I'm not sure how easily these methods will cross the Genesis/Generation 4 divide. The basic tech changed between those figures, meaning it's much harder to get accurate clones this way. Pretty sure you can do it, but I haven't, myself. The Genesis line all use the same base tech, so it's much easier. If you have Gen4 clones for Genesis(2/3) then you should be able to make clones for G8 using Redz's tut. If that's not explained in the tut, ask me (or whoever). It's pretty straight foward.

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  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,105

    Thank you! Anything that saves time is helpful.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,222
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:

    Every time I try to autofit clothes from previous genesis version daz crashes

    Please try the new Public beta, this should have fixed the crash.

  • j87brown_4641e34c3cj87brown_4641e34c3c Posts: 80
    Richard Haseltine said:
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:

    Every time I try to autofit clothes from previous genesis version daz crashes

    Please try the new Public beta, this should have fixed the crash.

    How do I get the beta? 

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    j87brown_4641e34c3c said:

    Every time I try to autofit clothes from previous genesis version daz crashes

    Please try the new Public beta, this should have fixed the crash.

    How do I get the beta? 

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/171221/daz-studio-pro-beta-version-4-9-4-122-updated/p1

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    mcorr said:
    Is it possible that autofitting is working properly on victoria 8, but not the base G8 figure I am using?? Could somebody be so kind and test that?

    Other way round — Autofit is supposed to go from Genesis(whatever) to Genesis8. Once you have the converted clothes in G8 format, the morph for V8 will be automatically generated. Skipping the convert-to-G8 step adds extra complications if you ever want to use the converted clothes on the G8 characters that haven't been released yet.

    FWIW, I've converted a lot of clothes for Genesis3 using Autofit, and I always used a plain, unposed, and unmorphed G3F or G3M. I don't think I ever had a problem.

    One possible gotcha, are you just autofitting the older clothes then saving the scene containing the clothes and G8F, or are you saving the clothes as a new Support Asset? If you do that, it gives you new saved content that can be used on any G8F base figure or character.

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