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  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,772
    edited May 2017
    glaseye said:
    Taoz said:
    Charlie Judge said:
    Taoz said:
    BeeMKay said:
    Dream Cutter said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Actually, most of the vehicles have brand names and use brand signs. Doesn't DAZ check out those in advance?

    This is not a problem.  Unlike other PA's VanishingPoint has partnered with a modler that has aquired the specific rights to model these design copyright of brand name products.  Infact these these models could not be offered without recognizing the real world copyright design. I can attest to this as I have read the pass-through licensing agreement VP holds on these.

    Thanks for the information. This information was missing from the product pages, and basically kept me from buying stuff.

    Still makes me wonder about Obama, though. ;-)

    Politicians seem to be fairly immune to that kind of things, probably  because they're generally considered more or less "public domain". IMO creating a normal looking 3D model of a president seems quite harmless compared to how presidents are being portrayed in e.g. satire. Just look at how Reagan was portrayed in the "Spitting Image" videos, on public TV, they even joked about his alzheimers disease.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/comedy/comedy-news/10662154/Spitting-Image-essential-satire-for-a-generation.html

    Then again if the model was used commercially in such a way as to imply an endorsement of  a product, service, or policy, it might be a problem.

    Sure, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would do that.

    I dunno.... cheeky

    A casino: The place were Trump gets his cards...

    or a hospital: Here's were Obama cares...

    And ofcourse an ISP: .. our secure email servers... ask Hillary, our newest client.....

     

    LMAO! I have a hospital, casino and a server room. Maybe I need to invest in a few well known look alike characters...

    Post edited by Llynara on
  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232

    Okay, now that I'm finally settling down to buy some of these nice VP goodies, a few questions come to mind.

    • Many of the promo pics are amazingly badly cropped. Was this done with batch processing to crowbar them into fitting the DAZ store requirements, or did someone do it so badly for each item deliberately?
    • There's a lot of clutter with the same item in different formats. Is there an easy way, e.g. by adding filter terms to the URL, to filter out the Vue, .obj and 3DSMAX stuff I'll never be interested in buying?
    • There's a lot of very nice vehicles in here. But the item descriptions have been clumsily converted from their previous store layout, I can't tell when something is a fixed prop or a figure with animatable parts. Other descriptions are just plain uninformative.
    • I would really appreciate a way to add stuff I bought elsewhere to my DAZ purchases list.
    • How many of these Poser items really are Poser-only? Every other Poser-format item in the DAZ store also includes DAZ|Studio in the Compatibility section, with the obvious exception of Cloth Room and Hair Room products.
    • Was there time to check for how easy it would be to convert from Poser to DAZ format? I've already found one of my first batch of purchases with a two-minute-fix glitch (welded vertices on doors). Considering what else is in the store, and might be coming soon, I'm confident there will be others.
  • Dream CutterDream Cutter Posts: 1,224
    edited May 2017
    glaseye said:
    Taoz said:
    Charlie Judge said:
    Taoz said:
    BeeMKay said:
    Dream Cutter said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Actually, most of the vehicles have brand names and use brand signs. Doesn't DAZ check out those in advance?

    This is not a problem.  Unlike other PA's VanishingPoint has partnered with a modler that has aquired the specific rights to model these design copyright of brand name products.  Infact these these models could not be offered without recognizing the real world copyright design. I can attest to this as I have read the pass-through licensing agreement VP holds on these.

    Thanks for the information. This information was missing from the product pages, and basically kept me from buying stuff.

    Still makes me wonder about Obama, though. ;-)

    Politicians seem to be fairly immune to that kind of things, probably  because they're generally considered more or less "public domain". IMO creating a normal looking 3D model of a president seems quite harmless compared to how presidents are being portrayed in e.g. satire. Just look at how Reagan was portrayed in the "Spitting Image" videos, on public TV, they even joked about his alzheimers disease.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/comedy/comedy-news/10662154/Spitting-Image-essential-satire-for-a-generation.html

    Then again if the model was used commercially in such a way as to imply an endorsement of  a product, service, or policy, it might be a problem.

    Sure, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would do that.

    I dunno.... cheeky

    A casino: The place were Trump gets his cards...

    or a hospital: Here's were Obama cares...

    And ofcourse an ISP: .. our secure email servers... ask Hillary, our newest client.....

     

     

    SpottedKitty said:

    Okay, now that I'm finally settling down to buy some of these nice VP goodies, a few questions come to mind.

    • Many of the promo pics are amazingly badly cropped. Was this done with batch processing to crowbar them into fitting the DAZ store requirements, or did someone do it so badly for each item deliberately?
    • There's a lot of clutter with the same item in different formats. Is there an easy way, e.g. by adding filter terms to the URL, to filter out the Vue, .obj and 3DSMAX stuff I'll never be interested in buying?
    • There's a lot of very nice vehicles in here. But the item descriptions have been clumsily converted from their previous store layout, I can't tell when something is a fixed prop or a figure with animatable parts. Other descriptions are just plain uninformative.
    • I would really appreciate a way to add stuff I bought elsewhere to my DAZ purchases list.
    • How many of these Poser items really are Poser-only? Every other Poser-format item in the DAZ store also includes DAZ|Studio in the Compatibility section, with the obvious exception of Cloth Room and Hair Room products.
    • Was there time to check for how easy it would be to convert from Poser to DAZ format? I've already found one of my first batch of purchases with a two-minute-fix glitch (welded vertices on doors). Considering what else is in the store, and might be coming soon, I'm confident there will be others.

    While I can not speak for all VP products, I have helped convert and tested several in Vue, 3DS Max and Poser.  Most model conversions are done by content creators with expertise in that software, and independantly tested.  This way products look their best and  take advantage of the animation and render features specific to the rendering application.  Here is what I have experienced:

    Poser products generally work fine in DS. If items are not identifiied by the smart content tab, use the content library tab to add the runtime and load Poser figures, props and materials etc.  

    The VP products that are sofd as DS (DUF) are optimized for DAZ Studio with materals shaders for 3Delight and IRay as specified.

    Vue products ONLY work in Vue, version 9 and higher unless otherwise specified.  While Poser poser products and animations work fine in Vue, reverse is not true. Vue renders of Vue models will look different and may have different materials and textures than a Poser import of same model (optimized for Poser).

    3DS products are created in 3DS Max.  Most OBJ are created by Lightwave or 3dsMax.

    If you dont see a model; optimized for your favorite rende, do let VP know.

     

    Oh... and yeah... use products in fake news....at your own risk.   ;D

    Post edited by Dream Cutter on
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674

    From what I've found (as someone who's actually taking the products and updating them) that for the most part, the poser products will work ok in Daz. Their base functionality works, generaly speaking. There may be some rigging issues here or there. The materials included are fine for basic 3DL renders.

     

    (I feel i should point out after saying that, the new versions that are coming out for Daz Studio by me will often feature updated rigging, additional geometry and options and whatever else catches my fancy as I work on it....I don't just slap an Uber shader on and call it a day. The one I hope will show up in store next I stripped down to just the polygons and rebuilt it bones and all to fit my standards of what a product should be.)

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,632

    Have you seen, that Vanishing Point are selling their stuff at Unity Asset store, too? May be, that explains, why some models vanished from their collection at Daz 3D.

     

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited June 2017

    So, did Vanishing Point vanish again?  My order pages for the products that I bought from VP through Daz are no longer showing links to product pages, and I can't find a Daz page for the Vanishing Point products...

    Post edited by tj_1ca9500b on
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    So, did Vanishing Point vanish again?  My order pages for the products that I bought from VP through Daz are no longer showing links to product pages, and I can't find a Daz page for the Vanishing Point products...

    Must have. 

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    *sigh* I had the minivan for Daz on my wish list.  I guess I'll have to buy it from that other site then...

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    So, did Vanishing Point vanish again?  My order pages for the products that I bought from VP through Daz are no longer showing links to product pages, and I can't find a Daz page for the Vanishing Point products...

    Argleblargle. It also seems to be affecting the wishlist — I had a bunch of VP stuff wishlisted, and now I have a bunch of black swirlies in my wishlist that don't go away and don't resolve, all clumped at the top of the list.

    What's this going to mean for the D|S conversions?

  • Dream CutterDream Cutter Posts: 1,224
    edited July 2017
    SpottedKitty said:
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    So, did Vanishing Point vanish again?  My order pages for the products that I bought from VP through Daz are no longer showing links to product pages, and I can't find a Daz page for the Vanishing Point products...

    Argleblargle. It also seems to be affecting the wishlist — I had a bunch of VP stuff wishlisted, and now I have a bunch of black swirlies in my wishlist that don't go away and don't resolve, all clumped at the top of the list.

    What's this going to mean for the D|S conversions?

    No worries, DAZ Studio conversions of VanishingPoint's products will be continuing development and for sale at thier .biz website and other 3d content outlets.

    Post edited by Dream Cutter on
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