3D Print

dawhittington87 · May 2017

Well said. If daz and pas want to act like first graders and not share well that's up to them..it's gives reason to look for loop holes in the law. in the mean time I've allowed my subscription to expire and daz just sits. We are paying for content by the piece and buying licenses. daz studio is a tool, but it's looking a lot more like a simulation game these days. 3d printing is a rapidly growing market, daz stands to lose a golden opportunity. If in time a new content provider comes along and fills the void daz left open I will jump on that band wagon and gladly pay them for a license to alter and print their mesh

Petercat · May 2017

If they just opened up 3D printing without the need for any licence, DAZ would probably get a whole lot of brand-new users spending their money here.
Right now no profits are being made off of 3D printing.

DAZ could even offer a universal license, or one with a checklist:
For $10.00, you can use any 5 artists works, just check their names on a list before purchase.
For $17.00, you can have 10. Or add 5 more later for $7.00.
Etc.
This way any artist who didn't want to make any extra money could opt out and keep their names off the list.

(Sorry, forgot about the DAZ business model, make that $9.99, $16.99, and $6.99!)

tj_1ca9500b · May 2017

DAZ_Rawb said:

As far as printing for your own personal use, we do have a 'very affordable' license available right here in the current EULA, included with every purchase for the low-low price of $0.00:

The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like)
of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial
use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical
representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use.

So, if you want to create 3D prints of any content you bought from Daz for your D&D game, please do. Also, send pictures because that would be cool.

Good to know (I misunderstood based on some of the previous posts, not planning on doing any 3d printing at the moment). The other part of this equation (Daz creating a licensing regime for this for anyone that wants to take their 3d printed design to the next level) still needs to be addressed. The competition is leaving Daz in the dust on this. I'm all about everyone getting reimbursed fairly, but there needs to be a regime for that.

The fair use question that is being debated here often comes down to who has the best, most competent, and/or the most well spoken lawyer, but again I"ll leave that to the pundits here. Fair use can be very broad or very narrow dwpending on what exactly you've done, and again there's the question as to if the EULA would supercede any instances of fair use in the first place.

Petercat · May 2017

Petercat said:

If they just opened up 3D printing without the need for any licence, DAZ would probably get a whole lot of brand-new users spending their money here.
Right now no profits are being made off of 3D printing.

DAZ could even offer a universal license, or one with a checklist:
For $10.00, you can use any 5 artists works, just check their names on a list before purchase.
For $17.00, you can have 10. Or add 5 more later for $7.00.
Etc.
This way any artist who didn't want to make any extra money could opt out and keep their names off the list.

(Sorry, forgot about the DAZ business model, make that $9.99, $16.99, and $6.99!)

This would also let DAZ pay the artists. $1.00 for every time your name appears on a purchased list.
Stonemason, Maclean, DZfire, etc. would make a fortune, quickly, with no extra work.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

Richard Haseltine said:

dawhittington87 said:
Fair use act: In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner.Apr 4, 2013

None of which appear to apply here. Fair use is a lot less inclusive than many people realise.

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole: Under this factor, courts look at both the quantity and quality of the copyrighted material that was used. If the use includes a large portion of the copyrighted work, fair use is less likely to be found; if the use employs only a small amount of copyrighted material, fair use is more likely. That said, some courts have found use of an entire work to be fair under certain circumstances. And in other contexts, using even a small amount of a copyrighted work was determined not to be fair because the selection was an important part—or the “heart”—of the work. Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work: Here, courts review whether, and to what extent, the unlicensed use harms the existing or future market for the copyright owner’s original work. In assessing this factor, courts consider whether the use is hurting the current market for the original work (for example, by displacing sales of the original) and/or whether the use could cause substantial harm if it were to become widespread......------- It would depend on how representative your print is to daz content as stated in the Eula, the larger hurdle is the line that says derived from. But the Eula is quite vague and fair use appears to have some business here. It ultimately up to the court to decide. Daz could just make it easy for everyone, not to mention they would stop losing customers

JazzyBear · May 2017

Let's not beat around the bush as it were... people are wanting to print and SELL figures based on DAZ/PA assets. Clearly you can not do that and no Fair Use does not let that happen either.

Now honestly I want to make minis for tabletop games but test prints are still crappy with $1k or less 3D printers.

I would be nice if each PA had a $1 or $3 or $5 or $10 license to 3D print any of their products. Or X items for $Y as has been suggested.

Also it has been stated if you were to have a really good fig and want it mass produced you would hand it off. Probably the finished 3D PRINTED model with any physical tweaks and design done to the PRINTED model and it would most likely be MOLDED not 3D printed anyway.

Myself, I just want make a figure and sell the 2D rendered scene/art and a 3D printed 25mm mini, but both the tech and licensing are not there yet. Prints are sadly not yet as good as the old 1 or 2 inch tall molded green army men of 40-50 years ago.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

You are correct about them being molded after an original is 3d printed. But as for everyone saying that current 3d printer can't print detailed enough. Yes they can print very detailed. And no you won't get a good print with a filament based printer. But sla and dip printers are hitting the market fast!!! A $2000 machine available today has a accuracy range within of 5 microns(0.005 mm) and layers as thin as 25 microns. No I'm not talking $100,000 machines the price of these machines have come down 1000% in the past year. I follow the community closely and am avid printer. Take a look at some consumer grade dip/sla prints.

Richard Haseltine · May 2017

tj_1ca9500b said:
The question I have is, how much did Stephen Colbert's production team have to pay Daz (and the appropriate content providers) to use the Minotaur?

Nothing beyond the basic purchase of the content license - it was a 2D print (albeit wrapped around a 3d truncated cone) so the basic EULA covered it.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

Richard Haseltine said:

tj_1ca9500b said:
The question I have is, how much did Stephen Colbert's production team have to pay Daz (and the appropriate content providers) to use the Minotaur?

Nothing beyond the basic purchase of the content license - it was a 2D print (albeit wrapped around a 3d truncated cone) so the basic EULA covered it.

I think that was his point. That took more away from the PA than some nerd selling 3d printed d&d tokens in his card/gaming shop. the Eula is a mess, fix it

Leana · May 2017

Petercat said:

tj_1ca9500b said:

And maybe a 'very affordable' license for people printing stuff for their own use only.

You don't need a license to print stuff for your own use.

Actually, you do. If you use an external printing service you have to send them the mesh for it to be printed, so you need permission for that. And anyway, what you purchase from DAZ is not the actual content, it's a licence to use it for a certain purpose.

thistledownsname · May 2017

DAZ_Rawb said:

As far as printing for your own personal use, we do have a 'very affordable' license available right here in the current EULA, included with every purchase for the low-low price of $0.00:

The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like)
of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial
use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical
representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use.

So, if you want to create 3D prints of any content you bought from Daz for your D&D game, please do. Also, send pictures because that would be cool.

I'm looking to do exactly this. How do I get from DAZ to a .stl file?

FSMCDesigns · May 2017

thistledownsname said:

DAZ_Rawb said:

As far as printing for your own personal use, we do have a 'very affordable' license available right here in the current EULA, included with every purchase for the low-low price of $0.00:

The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like)
of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial
use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical
representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use.

So, if you want to create 3D prints of any content you bought from Daz for your D&D game, please do. Also, send pictures because that would be cool.

I'm looking to do exactly this. How do I get from DAZ to a .stl file?

You will need to export the mesh to a program that uses .STL format since DS doesn't . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STL_(file_format)

for best results the mesh will need to be watertight also which means some modeling will be involved.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

thistledownsname said:

DAZ_Rawb said:

As far as printing for your own personal use, we do have a 'very affordable' license available right here in the current EULA, included with every purchase for the low-low price of $0.00:

The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like)
of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial
use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical
representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use.

So, if you want to create 3D prints of any content you bought from Daz for your D&D game, please do. Also, send pictures because that would be cool.

I'm looking to do exactly this. How do I get from DAZ to a .stl file?

I've had good luck with, http://www.nchsoftware.com/3dconverter/ I used that until recently, when I started using https://www.simplify3d.com to slice my models, it allows you to import obj for slicing. As far as "water tight" issues I've never had a problem

dawhittington87 · May 2017

First time I got past the hip and printed all they way to the head. Not bad for an entry level machine, face is trash. Fingers turned out surprisingly good. I don't think you could even sell it to a blind person. I have managed to make a print with a clothed figure but the number of supports needed made for a really nasty cleanup

Petercat · May 2017

Leana said:

Petercat said:

tj_1ca9500b said:

And maybe a 'very affordable' license for people printing stuff for their own use only.

You don't need a license to print stuff for your own use.

Actually, you do. If you use an external printing service you have to send them the mesh for it to be printed, so you need permission for that. And anyway, what you purchase from DAZ is not the actual content, it's a licence to use it for a certain purpose.

Okay, let me edit it so that what I said is more clear:

You don't need a license to print stuff yourself for your own use.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

So let me get this clear you are purchasing the license and not the content. So does that mean I could buy say Victoria 7, pose her, and then publish her on a magazine cover for commercial use without having to purchase any additional licenses or seek additional permissions from daz or the PA. Am I good to go after buying Victoria as long as i keep it 2d? Or are extra permissions and license required before going commercial?

WendyLuvsCatz · May 2017

yes

ghastlycomic · May 2017

I'm holding off on getting a 3D printer until the quality improves. Right now the technology is at 1970's dot matrix printer level. I'll wait at least until it gets to the 1990s inkjet printer level.

Had lots of people ask me if I'd sell figurines of my Lolo Hai chibi figure. I told I will as soon as 3D printers can make them look as good as the Iray renders.

Leana · May 2017

Petercat said:

Leana said:

Petercat said:

tj_1ca9500b said:

And maybe a 'very affordable' license for people printing stuff for their own use only.

You don't need a license to print stuff for your own use.

Actually, you do. If you use an external printing service you have to send them the mesh for it to be printed, so you need permission for that. And anyway, what you purchase from DAZ is not the actual content, it's a licence to use it for a certain purpose.

Okay, let me edit it so that what I said is more clear:

You don't need a license to print stuff yourself for your own use.

You need a licence for that too, it's simply included in the standard EULA. If DAZ said in their EULA that they didn't allow 3D printing, then even if you printed them with your own printer and they never left your house then technically you would be violating the EULA.

dawhittington87 said:
So does that mean I could buy say Victoria 7, pose her, and then publish her on a magazine cover for commercial use without having to purchase any additional licenses or seek additional permissions from daz or the PA.

Yes, the standard EULA allows commercial use of 2D images and videos you create with the content you purchased.

Oso3D · May 2017

I mean, heck, they could have a EULA that said you aren't allowed to use Daz Studio on Thursdays. As long as it is legal for them to restrict something, they can.

Now, it's up to the market to decide whether restrictions are too much.

While I find the 3d print restrictions a little nonsensical and mildly frustrating (mildly since I have nearly 0 interest in 3d printing products to sell), it's not enough to make me go use something else. So, hey.

dawhittington87 · May 2017

ghastlycomic said:
I'm holding off on getting a 3D printer until the quality improves. Right now the technology is at 1970's dot matrix printer level. I'll wait at least until it gets to the 1990s inkjet printer level.

Had lots of people ask me if I'd sell figurines of my Lolo Hai chibi figure. I told I will as soon as 3D printers can make them look as good as the Iray renders.

Please. I'm looking at buying the printer that printed this. I don't understand why people cant understand this simple concept we have moved beyond plastic filament. These machines are running $800-$5000. Affordable. Highly Detailed can print 25 micron layers. Lasers and resin.

Seven193 · May 2017

dawhittington87 said:
Please. I'm looking at buying the printer that printed this. I don't understand why people cant understand this simple concept we have moved beyond plastic filament. These machines are running $800-$5000. Affordable.

Yikes, not for me. A 3D printer should cost the same as a high-end inkjet paper printer. $350 or less. That is affordable.

JazzyBear · May 2017

I got a $400 one but it is more for practice and workflow. I am confident the EULA will be in place when the more capable printers take another couple of dips in price. Like I said I think just like the gaming licenses the PAs will offer 3D individually and/or possibly as an option for each product.

Honestly, with things like greebles and such, not needing to texture and shade things for 3D modelling, I am not far from just creating items/models directly. I mean for the most part a body is a body and if you slap on armor and helmets it gets covered anyway whether it is a thin small figure or a hulking brute.

I think DAZ was more worried/interested in the figures they offer larger 6" or larger with much more detail. I just don't see the gaming/collectable market going that way. The print on demand mini-figures IS quite huge though. I said before folks like my 2D renders and were asking about minifigs for tabletop RPG play. I would guess by about end of 2018 or maybe CES 2019 things will be where I thnk they need to be to make pro level today avaible to hobbyists of today.

nonesuch00 · May 2017

Well if I go to Wal*Mart or similar store you only see 3D printed figures targeted at little boys and little girls but not anyone else.

However, I've saw in past internet searches that there is this 3D doll printout industry of 'famous' IP, eg 'The Terminator', that apparently enough collector type adults have interest in that there a a few people that regularly produce and sell, well, illegal 3D dolls of that IP, not that I think Paramount or whoever is worried about that tiny market. I was surprised.

wsterdan · May 2017

dawhittington87 said:

ghastlycomic said:

I'm holding off on getting a 3D printer until the quality improves. Right now the technology is at 1970's dot matrix printer level. I'll wait at least until it gets to the 1990s inkjet printer level.

Had lots of people ask me if I'd sell figurines of my Lolo Hai chibi figure. I told I will as soon as 3D printers can make them look as good as the Iray renders.

Please. I'm looking at buying the printer that printed this. I don't understand why people cant understand this simple concept we have moved beyond plastic filament. These machines are running $800-$5000. Affordable. Highly Detailed can print 25 micron layers. Lasers and resin.

Looks good, is that from an $800 printer or closer to the $5000 one?

-- Walt Sterdan

Oso3D · May 2017

The local libraries have free 3d printers, which is awesome.

Except you have to make an appointment for a 2 hour block a month in advance, which is trickier, particularly since I'd probably spend several 2 hour blocks just learning how to make something print right.

But it's an amazing future!

From a year ago, a college student 3d printing his own braces:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/technology/homemade-invisalign/index.html

nonesuch00 · May 2017

Libraries having 3D printers?! LOL, you city folk live in the lap of luxury.

That braces guy is cool. Imagine you can print out your own tooth eventually if you ever needed a replacement and take it to the dentist and save a bundle over what them manufacturers and dentists would charge.

Oso3D · May 2017

I think it'll also be nice to see 3d printing take on glasses, which are BS priced. ;)

My son has broken so so so so so many. ugh

Petercat · May 2017

Well, this whole issue is ridiculous. 3D printing is a fast-growing market, and right now nobody is making any money off of it. DAZ should come up with a solution, because the most popular items at present would probably be figurines printed from works of artists who have created popular characters in webcomics and other art venues.
They won't print them to sell because of the EULA restrictions, and DAZ can't print them to sell because they are derivitave works, and thus, the copyright belongs to the end creator.
I wish someone at DAZ would come up with a licensing plan that would allow individual artists to profit from their work, because under the current rules, no one is.
Which is, as I said, ridiculous.

Petercat · May 2017

timmins.william said:

I think it'll also be nice to see 3d printing take on glasses, which are BS priced. ;)

My son has broken so so so so so many. ugh

Will, what happened to your DA page? I can't find it. I'm always interested in what you're up to!

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