*CLOSED* RRRR Alternative Holidays Render Contest

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495
    Gopherus said:

    @totte  thanks... LOL,  i recognise a young Rowan Atkinson before black adder or mr bean.  definitely not ready for prime time

    Yes - he did one year in the "Not the nine o'clock news" before venturing on his own. We were lucky enough to get this BBC show in Sweden.

  • luci45luci45 Posts: 2,654
    edited December 2016

    tag: luci45 #7
    Escher Day
    Citizens of Fauburg celebrate Esher Day on June 17th with a street fair and Esher-Bot Serentipity Walk.

    Real Feel Double Layered T-Shirt for Genesis
    Trinity Atrium Fallen
    Hallway Chilling Out Cubby
    Latex Shaders
    Everyday For Genesis 2 Male(s) (LB)
    Ice Bandit Outfit for Genesis 3 Male(s)
    Forest Throne (LB) 
    Limo Dreams (LB)
    M3DHero HD Shapes for Michael 6 (LB)
    i13 Spa and Lounge Environment with Poses (LB)
    Gallerie Bastion Spacious Interior (LB) 
    Le Faubourg (LB)

    Also used:
    200 Plus - Head & Face Morphs for Genesis 3 Male(s)
    Kyle hair
    Fraser Hair
    The Bazaar shelf
    Tyler Hair
    Sol texture
    Brian Hair
    Timothy texture

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 23,126
    luci45 said:

    tag: luci45 #7
    Escher Day
    Citizens of Fauburg celebrate Esher Day on June 17th with a street fair and Esher-Bot Serentipity Walk.

    Real Feel Double Layered T-Shirt for Genesis
    Trinity Atrium Fallen
    Hallway Chilling Out Cubby
    Latex Shaders
    Everyday For Genesis 2 Male(s) (LB)
    Ice Bandit Outfit for Genesis 3 Male(s)
    Forest Throne (LB) 
    Limo Dreams (LB)
    M3DHero HD Shapes for Michael 6 (LB)
    i13 Spa and Lounge Environment with Poses (LB)
    Gallerie Bastion Spacious Interior (LB) 
    Le Faubourg (LB)

    Also used:
    200 Plus - Head & Face Morphs for Genesis 3 Male(s)
    Kyle hair
    Fraser Hair
    The Bazaar shelf
    Tyler Hair
    Sol texture
    Brian Hair
    Timothy texture

    Oh, that is fantastic! I can see the Esher influence immediately. This is the kind of image I'll have to study for a bit to see all the great details.

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495
    luci45 said:

    Escher Day
    Citizens of Fauburg celebrate Esher Day on June 17th with a street fair and Esher-Bot Serentipity Walk.

    That is just great, not in a small way, but in a huge, fantastic way. 

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,131

    Luci45 #7 - wow, what a brilliant idea! I love it.

  • GopherusGopherus Posts: 1,103

    @Luci45 #7  I love the works of Escher and you ve captured them so well!  Excellent!!

    Pull #5

    SBRM Shorebirds Volume 3 
    Loretta Lorez 
    Edwardian Accessories Genesis 2 Female
    Starship Sky Hammer 
    L Orangerie    (LB)
    V4 Future Cop    (LB)

  • luci45luci45 Posts: 2,654

    Thanks, barbult, Totte, MelanieL and Gopherus. It was a big headache, but what else could I do with four staircases?

    Gopherus #4 I love your R Crumb Trucking Festival, in Truckee not less. You've captured some of the Crumb craziness! Is that a compliment? of course!
     
    Pull #8 ("Keep on truckin, like the doodah man" - Grateful Dead):
    Shuttlestar
    Perfect Potions
    Rocky Flats 
    Space Hunter Outfit Textures
    Archery for Gia (LB)
    The Cupola (LB) 
    Foliage Pack 1 (LB)
    Sortilege (LB)
    Southern Summer Dress Textures (LB)
    Colors for French Twist Hair (LB)
    Diner Food 5 (LB)
    Worlds Of Fantasy : Island Castle (LB)

  • GopherusGopherus Posts: 1,103
    edited December 2016

    Gopherus #5

    SBRM Shorebirds Volume 3 
    Loretta Lorez 
    Edwardian Accessories Genesis 2 Female
    Starship Sky Hammer 
    L Orangerie    (LB)
    V4 Future Cop    (LB)

     

    Audubon's Birthday

    The city of Bolsa Chica celebrates Aububons Birthday every year on April 26 by handing the keys to the city over to the birds.  For that day all birds have the right of way over pedestrians.  Galactic Eco Tours makes a point of bringing a tour group through on that date each year.  Surprisingly not all eco tourists are there to appreciate the birds and to add to their life lists.  Some are there only for the shopping at the local friendship store and think that Audubon is for the birds.

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  • GopherusGopherus Posts: 1,103

    Thanks Luci45 for your comments. I only got to attend 2 Grateful Dead concerts... that I can remember

    Pull #6

    Raw Cyclops 
    RDNA Egyptine Feather Fans 
    Grace for Eva7 
    Bal a Verseilles 
    Denim and Leather  (LB)
    Feel It Mix and Match Expressions V7  (LB)

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495
    edited December 2016

    Gopherus#5: That's a lovely holiday!

     

    Pull #8

    #1894 ESCoRT NDN Texture Pak (#6649)
    #1753 Dystopian Heavy Hauler (#7365)
    #1294 Damsels and Divas - Poses (#16421)
    #4250 People of Earth Faces of Africa Genesis 2 Male(s) (#18001)

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    This looks like a fun combo too!

     

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  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,131

    Gopherus #5 - aw, cute! Nice idea for a holiday.

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495
    edited December 2016

    Tag: Totte#8 

    Totte said:

     

    #1894 ESCoRT NDN Texture Pak (#6649)
    #1753 Dystopian Heavy Hauler (#7365)
    #1294 Damsels and Divas - Poses (#16421)
    #4250 People of Earth Faces of Africa Genesis 2 Male(s) (#18001)

    Also Used;
    M6 + Doctor Shadow Skin + Newport Outfit + Messy Dreads
    G2F + Eve + AERON + Chance Hair
    G3M + Kyle + Riccardo hair + H & C Business Suite + Wanted Dead or Alive (Derby Hat) + P3DA Spy Kit (Briefcase) 
    M6 + Iray Nevio + !Police + Oliver Hair
    Gia 7 + Trench Coat Outfit + Ireland Hair  

    UrbanFuture 4
    Skies of Iradiance

    Shaders:
    Iray Glass
    PBS Shaders vol 3
    JM Human Shaders
    SubSurface Workshop
    EcVh0 Daily Cloth Shader
    UHT2 Hair Salon

    Pedestrian crossing funny walk week

    The first Wednesday after the second full moon after Easter marks the beginning of the Pedestrian crossing funny walk week. During that walk, pedestrians are required to walk funny when crossing a street on a pedestrian crossing. Failing to obey means a hefty fine for breaking traffic laws. The police uses drones for surveillance to ensure citizens obey.

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495

    Pull #9

    #4897 SAV Alpha Hair (Rendo)
    #472 Bal a Versailles - Meubles (#3036)
    #4296 Pippa for Genesis 3 Female(s) (#23021)
    #5556 Summer on the River Outfit Textures (#16801)

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,648
    edited December 2016

    Thank you both Luci and Totte for the nice comments.

    Saphirewild Pull#2

    #343 V4 Morphing Fantasy Dress (Daz)

    #60 Classic Ray Guns (Daz)

    #97 Domino For V4 (Daz)

    #17 Astrid For Stephanie 4

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    I think this one is going to a real funny render!!!

    Saphirewild Tag #2

    Also used:

    GM3 Kyle 

    Wilmaps- GM3 Casual Pants and top

    Holiday Nook (Daz)

     

    National Raygun Day Celebration!!

    Kyle, Shandra, and Kecia celebrated with dancing and telling everyone about how National Raygun Day came to be. As it started in acient times when they used to use this raygun first. Shandra spoke up and said "Since then they used this Raygun." as she rasied it high up for all to see. Kecia just giggled and danced around because she knew exactly why Raygun Day Came to be.

     

     

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,648
    edited December 2016

    Saphirewild Pull #3

    128 Jinglebell Dress for V4.2

    259 String Bikini for V6

    7 Accent Tables

    113 Heritage House

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  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325

    I'm sooooooo stumped.  Been staring at my pull for eons.  You guys are too creative for me this season!  I think I wore out my holiday RRRR battery with that stupid Dr. Suess tribute a few years back.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 23,126
    Karibou said:

    I'm sooooooo stumped.  Been staring at my pull for eons.  You guys are too creative for me this season!  I think I wore out my holiday RRRR battery with that stupid Dr. Suess tribute a few years back.

    And that was a mighty good one!

  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,648
    Karibou said:

    I'm sooooooo stumped.  Been staring at my pull for eons.  You guys are too creative for me this season!  I think I wore out my holiday RRRR battery with that stupid Dr. Suess tribute a few years back.

    I am sure you will come up with something Karibou!!!

    Belive me it took me forever to think of something for my 2nd pull!!!

  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    barbult said:
    Karibou said:

    I'm sooooooo stumped.  Been staring at my pull for eons.  You guys are too creative for me this season!  I think I wore out my holiday RRRR battery with that stupid Dr. Suess tribute a few years back.

    And that was a mighty good one!

    I've puzzled and puzzled 'til my puzzler was sore...

    In the meantime, I've caught up with my comments on everyone else's amazing work!

    luci45#1, Founders' Day Bicentennial: First of all, your renders make my GPU feel like me at the gym -- hiding in back, hoping nobody notices how scrawny I am, and REALLY hoping I'm never required to do anything that massive.  All that aside, this is fantastic!!  Amazing how you got those cryo chambers and cyborgs to look totally natural in the scene!

    Gopherus #1, Green Eggs and Ham: Love it!  Though, it's very obvious that the guy in your image does NOT like green eggs and ham.  Excellent expression!

    Totte #1, The CERN Hadron Collider Annual Bear Beer Run: Great solution on the bear issue!  But I'm glad it isn't an Annual Bare Bear Beer Run, because that would violate the DAZ TOS.  Well, actually, both the bears and the beers are bare, so maybe not?

    Totte#2, Sara Connor Day: We are soooo celebrating this at my house this year.  Fantastic lighting!!

    luci45 #2, Unofficial First Contact Day: Yet another flawless blending of a ridiculous assortment of items.  Who knew Utah would become an intergalactic tourist stop?

    Totte #3, Hindenburg Memorial day: Wow! The shaders on the Zeppelin are really incredible -- love that reflection!  That would take eons for my computer to render!

    Gopherus #2, Bad Sushi!: LOL!  Looks like the Three Bears owe her a favor for taking care of that sushi for them!

    Totte #4, Dozenian Roswell Alien Abduction Festival: There is sooo much going on in this image and I love it!  Shame about the alien fatalities, though...

    Gopherus #3, Dog Daze: The demon carting off that poor cat actually made me laugh out loud!  Too funny!!

    barbult #1, Railroad Rodent Roundup Day: The rat squeezing out of the hole in that sack is PERFECT!! And all their little poses are also delightful.  Maybe your Rodent Roundup staff could borrow Gopherus' demons to carry the vermin off into the sunset?

    luci45 #3, Armistice Day: I love how all the people in this image are clearly thinking about something -- it shows on their faces!  That shady character in the corner smoking a pipe is undoubtedly up to something...

    luci45 #4, Second Amendment Day:  And look -- not only do we see the right to bear arms, but also to bare arms!  The news anchorwoman is very fashionable, compared to the paramilitant.

    Totte #5, Shaving Day: Where do you come up with these brilliant ideas?!  God shave the queen? LOL!  For the record, the queen doesn't look terribly enthusiastic about this tradition!

    Saphirewild #1, National Gingerbread Day: Every holiday should have a springy herd!  Love the general wackiness of this one!

    luci45 #5, Ruler's Rest, Relaxation and Romance Days: Because, clearly, what Prince Derek needs is MORE wine.  Looks like there's a little bit of apocalypse going on out there -- and watch out for that bird!!

    Totte #6, Roast a politician day: LOL!  Can we do that, only REALLY roast them?  Like, over an open fire? Love your display board -- Promise vs. Outcome, made me laugh out loud!

    Totte#7, The Smaug Fire Day: This is put together perfectly! Love those posable flames -- looks fantastic!

    luci45 #6, No-Cyber Monday: My children need to celebrate this day.  Can we borrow Grandpa Ned?  I love the painting behind the sofa!

    Gopherus #4, Keep On Trucking: They all look so happy!  Excellent posing of all those characters!

    luci45 #7, Escher Day: *jaw drops* Holy-I-Don't-Know-What-To-Look-At-First, Batman!!  Wow. this one is destined for RRRR history!  A-MAZING!

    Gopherus #5, Audubon's Birthday: Just as long as the birds don't EAT the keys to the city.  That could be very bad for the birds...

    Totte#8, Pedestrian crossing funny walk week: I have clearly been watching too much Fringe, because the guy in the middle with the briefcase is screaming "OBSERVER" to me.  I'm also concerned about potential police drone/pedestrian collisions!

    Saphirewild #2, National Raygun Day Celebration!!: I fear this holiday could result in casualties!  Still, any excuse to dance is a good one!  Nice work!

    Fantastic work, everyone!!

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,495

    Thanks for your load of comments karibou! Some themes just works better with my twisted brain ;-)

     

  • luci45luci45 Posts: 2,654
    edited December 2016

    tag: luci45 #8
    Unofficial First Contact Day (Part Two)
    Xarxians were the first aliens to visit the warrior women of the remote Misandronian Isles. Bearing mind-altering substances for a jovial First Contact Day clelebration, the Xarxians were coldly turned away. Some research was done and the Xarxians returned the following year with elixirs to strengthen mind and body. As the Misandronians greatly valued self-control and strength, they decided to tolerate the aliens for their gifts. It would be many years before the Xarxians learned that males were not well-received among the Misandronians. Thereafter, having gender fluidity, they always swiched to their female form when visiting. Things became more comfortable.

    Used: 
    Shuttlestar
    Perfect Potions
    Rocky Flats 
    Space Hunter Outfit Textures
    Archery for Gia (LB)
    The Cupola (LB) 
    Foliage Pack 1 (LB)
    Sortilege (LB)
    Southern Summer Dress Textures (LB)
    Colors for French Twist Hair (LB)
    Diner Food 5 (LB)
    Worlds Of Fantasy : Island Castle (LB)

    Also Used:
    Space Base
    New Colony
    Skies of iRadiance - Sunny Sky HDRIs for Iray
    Army Uniform for Genesis 3 Female(s) and Genesis 2 Female(s) boots
    Ranger Props for Genesis 2 Female(s)
    Nineve texture
    Various morphs
    Chalet de Sevilla table
    Veranda Cafe chair
    Creature Creator G2M
    Sunday Casuals 
    Hippie Chick Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) top
    Wonderous Wares
    Anodized - Custom Shader and Preset Suite for Iray

     

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  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    edited December 2016
    Karibou said:
    1180 Blood Red Outfit for Genesis 3 Female(s) DAZ
    2919 Dragon Skeleton (Articulate Vertebrae) DAZ
    12141 Voodoo Queen Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) DAZ
    9617 Serene Garden RR
    LB: 2584 Destiny for Olympia 6 DAZ
    LB: 9051 Rons Rain DAZ

     

    Unbelievably, I wrote the caption for this and then brought it into Word to see if it needed trimming -- and it's 100 words exactly!  Ha.  Couldn't have done that if I'd tried.

    Tag: Karibou #2
    Title: Slain Dragon Memorial Day

    Every year, citizens of The Kingdom of Drizzlesplat gather near the bones of slain dragons (which are much too heavy to move and therefore make lovely memorial sites.) The holiday was formerly known as "Thank The Gods, They're Dead Day," but in the wake of dragon near-extinction, the title was changed.  Alas, the day is now generally one of controversy and unrest.  Damsels feel the holiday should be dedicated to their trauma -- after all, Kidnapping-By-Dragon isn't a victimless crime -- and former Dragon Slayers are still quite put-out with the environmentalists who completely reversed the intention of their celebration...

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 23,126
    Karibou said:
    Karibou said:
    1180 Blood Red Outfit for Genesis 3 Female(s) DAZ
    2919 Dragon Skeleton (Articulate Vertebrae) DAZ
    12141 Voodoo Queen Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) DAZ
    9617 Serene Garden RR
    LB: 2584 Destiny for Olympia 6 DAZ
    LB: 9051 Rons Rain DAZ

     

    Unbelievably, I wrote the caption for this and then brought it into Word to see if it needed trimming -- and it's 100 words exactly!  Ha.  Couldn't have done that if I'd tried.

    Tag: Karibou #2
    Title: Slain Dragon Memorial Day

    Every year, citizens of The Kingdom of Drizzlesplat gather near the bones of slain dragons (which are much too heavy to move and therefore make lovely memorial sites.) The holiday was formerly known as "Thank The Gods, They're Dead Day," but in the wake of dragon near-extinction, the title was changed.  Alas, the day is now generally one of controversy and unrest.  Damsels feel the holiday should be dedicated to their trauma -- after all, Kidnapping-By-Dragon isn't a victimless crime -- and former Dragon Slayers are still quite put-out with the environmentalists who completely reversed the intention of their celebration...

    And it turned out great! (as usual). smiley

  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    barbult said:
    Karibou said:
    Karibou said:
    1180 Blood Red Outfit for Genesis 3 Female(s) DAZ
    2919 Dragon Skeleton (Articulate Vertebrae) DAZ
    12141 Voodoo Queen Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) DAZ
    9617 Serene Garden RR
    LB: 2584 Destiny for Olympia 6 DAZ
    LB: 9051 Rons Rain DAZ

     

    Unbelievably, I wrote the caption for this and then brought it into Word to see if it needed trimming -- and it's 100 words exactly!  Ha.  Couldn't have done that if I'd tried.

    Tag: Karibou #2
    Title: Slain Dragon Memorial Day

    Every year, citizens of The Kingdom of Drizzlesplat gather near the bones of slain dragons (which are much too heavy to move and therefore make lovely memorial sites.) The holiday was formerly known as "Thank The Gods, They're Dead Day," but in the wake of dragon near-extinction, the title was changed.  Alas, the day is now generally one of controversy and unrest.  Damsels feel the holiday should be dedicated to their trauma -- after all, Kidnapping-By-Dragon isn't a victimless crime -- and former Dragon Slayers are still quite put-out with the environmentalists who completely reversed the intention of their celebration...

    And it turned out great! (as usual). smiley

    Thanks.  I wanted more revelers, but my GPU refused, lol.

  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    edited December 2016

    Okay, pull #3.  Took forever to update my database.  THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY SALES!  I'm embarrassed by how many items I've bought since November. 

    5300 i13 Sorrow and Agony DAZ
    1877 Cloth Room Master Class: Pointy Dress and Poncho
    Thrown out, not using Poser
    DAZ
    7590 NeoIndia Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) and Genesis 3 Female(s) DAZ
    8134 Paradise Bird Hair DAZ
    2819 DM's Mystic Darkness RR
    LB: 2706 Divine Wings DAZ
    LB: 6838 MDD Shimmer for V4.2 RR

    Well, I've definitely pulled worse! Here's hoping I have time to finish it!

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  • luci45luci45 Posts: 2,654

    Thanks, Karibou. I agree with barbult - your Dr Suess tribute was might good!
    Gopherus #5 Hilarious render and great poses, and wonderful story!
    Totte#8 Wow, too cool!  I think Karibous is right that it is an observer - strange he isn't getting arrested. 
    Saphirewild Tag #2 Wow, that is a looney tunes holiday! Hope no one gets hurt. 
    Karibou #2 Haha, I love it! Great use of your pull!

    pull #9 (this should be fun surprise):

    Cryptozoic Crab
    NPM (Natural Petite Breast Morphs) for Victoria 6
    Sci-fi Rover: Titan
    Anaya for Monique 6
    Cloud Nine For Daz Studio (LB)
    Sky Lords: Axis (LB)
    Moyra's Lingerie Boutique: Tinseltown (LB)
    Maxi Skirt Outfit Textures (LB)
    Possibilities 2PC Dress for Genesis 2 Female and Victoria 6 (LB)
    Regency Girl for Kids 4 (LB) 
    Fantasy Fighter for Genesis 2 Female(s) (LB)
    DAZ Studio Dirt Shaders (LB)

  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    edited December 2016
    Karibou said:

    Okay, pull #3.  Took forever to update my database.  THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY SALES!  I'm embarrassed by how many items I've bought since November. 

    5300 i13 Sorrow and Agony DAZ
    1877 Cloth Room Master Class: Pointy Dress and Poncho
    Thrown out, not using Poser
    DAZ
    7590 NeoIndia Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s) and Genesis 3 Female(s) DAZ
    8134 Paradise Bird Hair DAZ
    2819 DM's Mystic Darkness RR
    LB: 2706 Divine Wings DAZ
    LB: 6838 MDD Shimmer for V4.2 RR

    Well, I've definitely pulled worse! Here's hoping I have time to finish it!

    Okay, I intended for this to look more humorous, but my Inner Drama Queen simply wouldn't let that happen.  This pull just happened to be coherent enough to allow for a semi-normal looking scene!

    Tag: Karibou #3
    Title: Cosmological Death Match PPV Extravaganza

    In the wake of streaming video services, the only thing keeping cable companies alive is the semi-annual Cosmological Death Match -- ONLY available on Pay-Per-View.  While technically not a holiday, the event is so heavily-followed, companies often unilaterally give employees the day off.  People everywhere eagerly fork over their money to watch demigods, demons, angels, goddesses (and/or hybrids thereof) battle TO THE DEATH (or canonization or reincarnation or entry to Nirvana, as each religion allows.)

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  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325

    luci45 #8, Unofficial First Contact Day (Part Two): Gorgeous, as always!  Thoughm that male Xarxian is kinda scary -- I understand why the archer would be wary.  Perhaps the original mind-altering substances would have made acceptance of him a little easier?  Shame to pass those up!  On the other hand, I think that Xarxian guy would be right at home in my Cosmological Death Match PPV Extravaganza!

  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,648

    See I told you Karibou, that you would come up with something and yet you got 3 now, I think you have your creative juices flowing now!!!

    Great renders all of them!!!

  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325

    See I told you Karibou, that you would come up with something and yet you got 3 now, I think you have your creative juices flowing now!!!

    Great renders all of them!!!

    Aw, thanks!  This is usually how I roll... I waste two months doing nothing and then throw a bunch of stuff together at the last minute!

    Again, not sure I'll get to it, but here's pull #4...

    1322 Bridgette Hair G2 DNA (now DAZ)
    780 Assasinator - Crossbow RR
    11612 Totem: The Owls - dynamic caftan for M4
    Thrown out, not using Poser
    DAZ
    2641 Dewdrop DAZ
    11494 The Wellspring DAZ
    LB: 3111 Dubious Town Hall DAZ
    LB: 11174 The Chair Collection DAZ

    Not quite as neat and tidy as the last pull, lol.  And that's the second one in a row where I've had to discard dynamic Poser items. Weird!

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