JeanZ for Genesis 3 [Commercial]

nelsonsmith · August 2016

Thank you !

the3dwizard · August 2016

Serene Night said:

Quite a bit I'm afraid. Lots of smaller ones from various packs but this is the primary ones

Gianni 7

Michael 7

Bodybuilder

Fitness

Oh, figured it would be simple, J/K. So Gianni, Michael 7 and Bodybuilder have custom morphs so they shouldn't be a problem. I just checked them and they are fine. I don't have the fitness one in my list. Does the belt reappear when you turn off smoothing? Sometimes a lot of smoothing will cause things to disapear like that.

I if you want I am willing to try and whip up a custom JeanZ morph for you. Zero the pose on the male. Zero Gianni, Michael 7 and Bodybuilder. Set the Mesh resolution on the JeanZ to base and export it out of DS as an obj at DAZ scale of 100%. I will message you with where to send it. Can't guarantee that it will be 100% accurate since I will be doing it without the reference morphs.

Cheers!

the3dwizard · August 2016

DavidGB said:

Have bought all JeanZ since the original ones for original Victoria apart from the Freak ones, and am pleased to see versions for Genesis 3. I suppose I will be gettig them, though a little concerned by ColinFrench's problem as I also use DS 4.8.

Is the mesh vertex compatible with e.g. the Genesis version, so morphs can be just passed from one to the other (like your new ones)?

I am, though, very sad you never made a Genesis 2 - especially a G2F - version. I need jeans for a G2F female character for a lengthy story that have to fit a lot of criteria (pose, style - they need to be loose and mid waisted, and almost all other jeans produced by others are tight skinny very low-rise types - and open type morphs, pllus good bending on thigh side-to-side and bend right up to the G2F bend limits), After going through all the G2F, G2M and Genesis jeans I had (life's too short to consider all the V4, M4, S3 etc ones as well), I ended up with a shortlist of 6 jeans by assorted PAs, none useable 'out of the box' due to wrong styles, poor bends, needing converting from G2M or Genesis etc, and eventually settled on the JeanZ - the Genesis version, but having to convert them myself to G2F as you never made Genesis 2 ones, despite my constant hope that you woiuld. I used Autofit to start, but the results were not useable as is, mesh ,horribly scrunched up and self-intersecting at the crotch, distorted at the mid back and leg hems, very poor thigh side-to-side and bend bending so then had to (1) clumsily and painstakingly fix the base converted mesh shape, vertex by vertex in Hexagon right through the crotch area up to the middle of the back, plus bottom of both legs; (2) vertex by vertex fix the weight maps for the thigh side-to-side (without ever fully understanding the tools!); and (3) vertex by vertex fixing the bend weight maps for the thighs. Unfortunately I'm clumsy at it, and it has taken many, many hours. Even more unfortunately, since becoming disabled, computer work causes rapidly rising pain, I can't work for long, and I also can't work often. I've been slowly doing this JeanZ conversion off and on since last December, with long breaks when I just can't face more of that precision type work that causes pain to rise fastest, and I STILL haven't finished, so still haven't been able to start rendering the story I need them for. Done the base converted shape, both thigh side to side weightmapping and the left thigh bend, but STILL have the right thigh bend to do (the weightmap symmetry function doesn't work on it). I have so been hoping a G2F version from you would appear - I'd happily buy in an instant, and the relief at not having to do the rest of my conversion would far outweigh any annoyance at wasted work if one came out from you. But I suppose the appearance of a Genesis 3 version means the end of any hope for a G2F one.

(I am sticking with G2F for the character. though, so slapping these G3F JeanZ on a G3F version of the character is not a solution. I've repeatedly tested and retested G3F as an alternative base figure to use, but G2F has several significant advantages over G3F in morphing everywhere but the head and also bending - as does triax over general weightmapping, IMO - and I'd lose too much going from a G2F to G3F verrsion of the character. The 'advances' in G3F appear to be all about improving things for people using a 'production environment' where they send the figures out of DS into some other industry standard software as sonme 'pipeline' mumbo jumbo, but at the price of loss of utility within DS itself; as I'm only using DS, those 'advantages' mean nothing to me, only the loss of utility within DS. The worse thing about the Genesis 3 is the lower resolution mesh on the body and limbs, with the loss of edgeloops outlining the main sub-skin muscle, tendon and bone structures. This has meant - among other things - that the 'genepool' has effectively been 'drained'.' With DAZ and PAs having to use HD morphs and normal maps, but with no basic outlines of the structures in the base mesh to tell different DAZ workers and PAs where the structures actually are, different SD and HD morphs and Normal maps don't align with each other and interfere with each other, so just cannot be mixed and combined the way they can with Genesis and the Genesis 2s. Everything's fine if you just want to use one -7 figure, but when I start trying to combine low levels of more than one -7 character morph, some DAZ body morphs,some normal maps etc. bad things happen, JCMs conflict with each other over where the edges of joint details are, breast morphs (usualy to shrink them for realism) don't assume the edge of the breast mesh is the same as the -7 morphs do, etce etc, and it's just a horrible mess, especially when posing.)

Hm. I suppose these Genesis 3 JeanZ will actually convert better to G2F than the Genesis ones did in that the base shape may fit without needing fixing at all if I used transfer utility and just retained the base mesh shape instead of letting Autofit mangle the crotch. OTOH they'd probably still need the thigh side-to-side and bends completely redoing, and I can't face that again. So I guess I'd better get on with the right thigh bend in my conversion of the Genesis version.

First, thanks for your support, it is truly appreciated! Yes the two versions of the JeanZ are vertex compatiable.

Sorry to hear of your struggles. I sent you an message on G2.

Cheers!

the3dwizard · August 2016

BTW, I created a free Black Leather texture (Iray) for the JeanZ that you can download here: http://www.3dpixelstudios.com/?download=black-leather-for-jeanz

Enjoy!

L'Adair · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

BTW, I created a free Black Leather texture (Iray) for the JeanZ that you can download here: http://www.3dpixelstudios.com/?download=black-leather-for-jeanz

Enjoy!

Thank you!

ColinFrench · August 2016

Just got my reply from Daz support and it's not good news:

"Hi Colin,

I just installed and tested in 4. and it is definitely a 4.8 issue. Updating to 4.9 should fix the issue.

Jared"

Daz, if you're going to sell content which is only compatible with 4.9 you really should identify it as such. You should also provide guidance to your PA's about what problems may occur for some of their customers and how to avoid them as best as possible.

Well, I guess it's time for a refund. First one I've ever had to request.

Edit: This is going to add a whole new level of caution when I'm thinking about buying an item. How will I know if it will work in 4.8 or not? I really hope the PA's get some guidance on this issue so we customers can make a more informed decision when making purchases.

I don't expect a company to provide backward compatibility forever, but to cut off the immediately previous release so quickly is annoying.

the3dwizard · August 2016

ColinFrench said:

Just got my reply from Daz support and it's not good news:

"Hi Colin,

I just installed and tested in 4. and it is definitely a 4.8 issue. Updating to 4.9 should fix the issue.

Jared"

Daz, if you're going to make content which is only compatible with 4.9 you really should identify it as such. You should also provide guidance to your PA's about what problems may occur for some of their customers and how to avoid them as best as possible.

Well, I guess it's time for a refund. First one I've ever had to request.

That's it? Nothing else? Well that sucks, now wishing I hadn't moved to 4.9 for development, (I resisted for a long time, guess not long enough). I did find a build of 4.8 on my laptop and going to give it a try to see what happens.

ColinFrench · August 2016

Don't feel bad, you had no idea that there is some sort of incompatibility between 4.9 and 4.8. You've shown excellent concern for the issues a few (very few) of your customers are having. I'd like to support you and not return the product, but if I can't use it, well....

I've made a new thread about this incompatibility issue in general since I feel buyers need to be aware of it but please don't feel I'm picking on you. It could have happened to any PA.

cosmo71 · August 2016

ColinFrench said:

Bought your G2 Jeanz a while back and these G3's look great, but I'm having a problem. Please see the attached image.

Brand new scene, standard V7. Added basic wear for the sake of posting here but problem showed up with just the Jeanz.

Jeanz properties show they are "Fit To" Victoria 7 and Parented to the character.

Same issue with M7, and when I checked with another G3 female character.

Using Daz 4.8, so I'm downloading & installing via Install Manager. I uninstalled, deleted saved package, re-downloaded and re-installed, same problem.

Tried adding Jeanz both via Smart Content tab and from Content Library, same result.

Am I doing something horribly wrong? Other than using 4.8?

I have the same issue with this product on my G3F character. I also use DS4.8 pro

cosmo71 · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

Wow! I did everything in 4.9 so it might be 4.8. I don't know what else it might be. I just redownloaded the installer and tried it in 4.9 and it loaded fine.

Please submit a trouble ticket, that would be these best way to get it resolved. I no longer have a copy of 4.8 installed or else I would try and troubleshoot it. I will also work touch base with them too.

Sorry for the troubles. :(

I have the same issue with this product in DS4.8.

cosmo71 · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

I just reached out to my contact at DAZ. He thought it was odd and said it doesn't seem like a 4.8 issue. He said best path was contacting support in case it is an issue unique to your setup. Let me know how it goes with support.

Thanks!

Nope, it is not a unique issue. I have exactly the same problem with this product on my g3f

ColinFrench · August 2016

Cosmo, you may wish to post your experiences in this thread http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/105026/warning-new-purchases-may-not-work-with-daz-studio-4-8#latest so that others can see it's not a unique problem.

I feel this issue is too important to be buried in a thread about one specific product.

the3dwizard · August 2016

cosmo71 said:

the3dwizard said:

Wow! I did everything in 4.9 so it might be 4.8. I don't know what else it might be. I just redownloaded the installer and tried it in 4.9 and it loaded fine.

Please submit a trouble ticket, that would be these best way to get it resolved. I no longer have a copy of 4.8 installed or else I would try and troubleshoot it. I will also work touch base with them too.

Sorry for the troubles. :(

I have the same issue with this product in DS4.8.

I found a beta copy of 4.8 and see the same issue. Trying to see if I can fix it. If not I may try to rebuild it in 4.8.

the3dwizard · August 2016

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround.

You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

3Diva · August 2016

This looks like a MUST HAVE item! Awesome! I can't wait to get it!

FrankTheTank · August 2016

3Diva · August 2016

DominicTesla said:

Which works better for G2F? JeanZ for Genesis or JeanZ for G3F?

I've not been able to get G3 clothing to fit well onto G2 figures, so I'd recommed the Genesis 1 item and using autofit.

FrankTheTank · August 2016

3Diva · August 2016

DominicTesla said:

divamakeup said:

DominicTesla said:

Which works better for G2F? JeanZ for Genesis or JeanZ for G3F?

I've not been able to get G3 clothing to fit well onto G2 figures, so I'd recommed the Genesis 1 item and using autofit.

I"m surprised by that, do you have the gen3f for gen2f clone? I only have 3 things made for G3F but they all fit G2F just fine.

Nope, I don't have it.

FrankTheTank · August 2016

ANGELREAPER1972 · August 2016

DominicTesla said:

divamakeup said:

DominicTesla said:

Which works better for G2F? JeanZ for Genesis or JeanZ for G3F?

I've not been able to get G3 clothing to fit well onto G2 figures, so I'd recommed the Genesis 1 item and using autofit.

I"m surprised by that, do you have the gen3f for gen2f clone? I only have 3 things made for G3F but they all fit G2F just fine.

was about to say this thought I'd check first see if anyone else posted but yeah these work great on g2 with product you mentioned tried on most of my g2f only one found have to fix backside but all the styles work great from full length to daisy dukes and tried few poses with no problems

cosmo71 · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround.

You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

where can I find this transfer tool?

ColinFrench · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround. You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

Thanks very much for checking into this! My request for a refund hasn't gone through yet, so I was able to try your workaround and it works well. I do appreciate the way you're supporting your product & users.

Cosmo, look under the Edit menu, Object --> Transfer Utility.

the3dwizard · August 2016

cosmo71 said:

the3dwizard said:

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround.

You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

where can I find this transfer tool?

Ahh, it is a little hidden. This image should help. If you have any issues just let me know.

Richard Haseltine · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

cosmo71 said:

the3dwizard said:

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround.

You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

where can I find this transfer tool?

Ahh, it is a little hidden. This image should help. If you have any issues just let me know.

It should also be in the Edit>Figure menu

the3dwizard · August 2016

Thanks Richard! I tend to forget about that way.

Zebratech · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

So, is this to say that a G3 TreadZ is most likely? the last JeanZ versions had supporting morphs to word with them.

So, the TreadZ morphs are just legacy morphs, didn't see a reason not to leave them in just in case they were useful for someone. It has been a couple of generations but you are the first to ask about G3 TreadZ. I suppose if more people wanted them I would make them for Genesis 3. It would be fun to make some Iray materials for them.

Cheers!

Sign me up for TreadZ for G3. I've been using the G1 version all the way up till now through G2 and G3, but it requires a lotta corrective zBrushing. Just the Iray mats alone would be worth the purchase.

cosmo71 · August 2016

Now DS4.8 crashes when trying to load the JeanZ into the scene, wanted to try the thing with the transfer utility but when loading the JeanZ into the scene to try it it crashes. UPDATE: forgot to select g3f. If just loading the pants without selecting the figure before DS4.8 crashes.

cosmo71 · August 2016

Seems that I will not buy any more new clothes from now on for g3F and G3M because it is not sure that they will work in DS4.8.

cosmo71 · August 2016

the3dwizard said:

cosmo71 said:

the3dwizard said:

Those having issues in 4.8 and looking to keep using the JeanZ I did find a temporary workaround.

You can update the hierarchies/weight maps using the Transfer Tool. The weight maps in the groin area will be off, but it will be useable until I can get the installer updated.

where can I find this transfer tool?

Ahh, it is a little hidden. This image should help. If you have any issues just let me know.

Hey that works, great thing, thanks for the information now the jeanz work in DS4.8

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