Runtime DNA Merges With Daz 3D

Softimage_Graphic_Artist · February 2016

I am so happy that RuntimeDNA has merged with DAZ 3D. I started off years ago with Poser 8, but always loved the DAZ 3D models so I crossed over to DAZ 3D BECAUSE THE WERE GREAT! I never looked back!

RuntimeDNA, THE Poser people are awsome also... I am so glad they have joined forces. Together they will be wonderful now we all can enjoy both worlds in one universe.

CathyM · February 2016

I think it's fun and exciting to find out Runtime DNA people will be merging with Daz Studio - there are many talented artists there who make amazing and wonderful products. (I've purchased alot of them.) Lately I've been thrilled to see the RDNA people making things for Daz Studio and Genesis 2 and 3 figures, and am happy to find they will be bringing these gifts here.

I am also glad there are artists who create for Poser who will still be making things for that software, so that people using it can continue to purchase and look forward to creations from their favorite creators.

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to say anything about the artwork used there or what "is unnacceptable" for use here. I am sure Daz and RDNA can sort out how they want to handle details, and there were ALOT of older items here in our store with artwork that was not so impressive. Alot of the older items actually now only have one promo shot to represent them.

Everyone is better at some things than others. Some are truly gifted at creating models, but can't seem to texture them to their best, or render artistic level images. At Daz Studio, I believe they have people who do the professional rendering for alot of what is sold here.

Anyway, I would also like to say welcome to Runtime DNA, so good to see you all moving here! There are tons of things I would hope someone could make DS Iray textures for, so many clothing models I'd love to see re-made for Genesis 3, even if none of THAT sort of thing happens, I am just really excited to see what does come along now! (And I sure hope Syyd continues making those fantastic light sets!) -Cathy

(edited to correct spelling)

almahiedra · February 2016

CathyM said:

I think it's fun and exciting to find out Runtime DNA people will be merging with Daz Studio - there are many talented artists there who make amazing and wonderful products. (I've purchased alot of them.) Lately I've been thrilled to see the RDNA people making things for Daz Studio and Genesis 2 and 3 figures, and am happy to find they will be bringing these gifts here.

I am also glad there are artists who create for Poser who will still be making things for that software, so that people using it can continue to purchase and look forward to creations from their favorite creators.

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to say anything about the artwork used there or what "is unnacceptable" for use here. I am sure Daz and RDNA can sort out how they want to handle details, and there were ALOT of older items here in our store with artwork that was not so impressive. Alot of the older items actually now only have one promo shot to represent them.

Everyone is better at some things than others. Some are truly gifted at creating models, but can't seem to texture them to their best, or render artistic level images. At Daz Studio, I believe they have people who do the professional rendering for alot of what is sold here.

Anyway, I would also like to say welcome to Runtime DNA, so good to see you all moving here! There are tons of things I would hope someone could make DS Iray textures for, so many clothing models I'd love to see re-made for Genesis 3, even if none of THAT sort of thing happens, I am just really excited to see what does come along now! (And I sure hope Sydd continues making those fantastic light sets!) -Cathy

very Big +1

dracorn · February 2016

DaWaterRat said:

In general, I see this as a good thing...

But I'm curious if theres anything that (as far as anyone knows) won't come over to the Daz store. There's a handful of Arki items (among others) that I've had my eye on (for far too long) that I'll need to fish or cut bait on soon if they're not coming over here.

I've had my eye on Arki items as well... and the only reason I have not bought some of her gorgeous wings is that their rigging doesn't work for D/S.

So it makes me wonder if the PA's at Runtime will be converting some of their items to be used in D/S... maybe to increase their sales? Now all the D/S users who have not ventured to Runtime DNA will see this content for the first time. Also, new lighting product for Poser available here free this weekend implies that Poser is not going away.

The point of merger/acquisitions is to obtain market share - so it does seem that Poser will be supported. As long as Poser makes a decent amount of money, I can't see DAZ getting rid of it.

novelist999 · February 2016

I'm not happy about this merger. I will miss RDNA! I'm backing up my stuff from RDNA. I've lost all of the products I bought at PoserPros, 3DCommune, and Smith Micro. Not this time!

novelist999 · February 2016

Robert Freise said:

Khory said:

"Closing of the Poser Pros Forum archive happened at the end of 2011, and the Daz Forumarchive died in 2013 under this managment not the older management..."

And we were told back when PoserPros closed that we'd be able to download the products we'd purchased indefinitely. It didn't happen!

DarwinsMishap · February 2016

I just hope there's an answer for the vendors soon(ish) so we can at least know our products will or will not be accepted. Or gain access to the Vendor controls.

nicstt · February 2016

SassyWench said:

Can we remember that the RDNA PA's and customers are reading this thread also? I image they're still in shock at having to change "homes" and are feeling unsettled at best. A PA shouldn't have to read that their promo images are being considered sub-par. Or the customers that bought there happily with those same promo images kind of having their artistic taste questioned.

People have been there for 15 years or so. This will be a big adjustment. What if it were Daz and us and our PA's? It would make me re-think if this is the right place for me.

Let's try and be welcoming and make them feel at home. :)

+1

FSMCDesigns · February 2016

Novica said:

With all the cheerleading and rah-rah going on for the merge, I decided to pop over and look at the store. My first impression of the store was there is a nice variety of products, and some of it was showcased well. However, I am extremely disappointed in the promo art disparity.

Some of the art was similar to here, well done, some was acceptable so far as the rendering of it, but didn't show the product very well (half a face for a character?) Immediately in some of the promo art, I noticed the lack of highlights (pictures dull, no contrast), midtones and shadows lacking (bleached blonde hair, no detail, washed out faces without nose detail,etc) and images oversaturated with gamma and darkly lit- (Madness Took Me for example.)

It was definitely a mixed bag, again, let me repeat many of the promos were very nicely done- but bluntly, we don't need that other (IMO) amateur looking artwork mixed into this store. Frankly, I do not want this store looking anything like RDNA. While the promos here aren't perfect, you would never see a Madness Took Me promo in this store, and I don't want to see that brought over because you, Daz, bought another store.

I'd personally want that other promo art/products put in a different section, and any future products MUST have promo art that meets the standards here. (And ours aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, believe me I know.)

There's a lack of consistency among those promos, please don't dump that into our mix over here. The promo art that meets the standards here, mix it in, there's a lot of it- but PLEASE weed out those other promos.

The way I see it is DAZ is more of a store and less of an art site, with certain standards they set, including the way promos look and are done, whereas RDNA is more of an art site with a store attached to it which is what the promos say to me. I see lots of posts from users here that seem to indicate they rarely venture to other MPs that sell 3D content and as such they are probably used to the way things look here and this can also affect their perspective.

On the current RDNA products being put into a different sction, I disagree, they were probably proud of their promos when they did them and should have the right to use them at this store also. While there is some consistency in DAZ promos, there are plenty I wouldn't call "professional" looking. Besides, the majority of promos at RDNA are probably done in poser as opposed to how they are done here.

FSMCDesigns · February 2016

Darwins Mishap(s) said:

I just hope there's an answer for the vendors soon(ish) so we can at least know our products will or will not be accepted. Or gain access to the Vendor controls.

I would expect all products/vendors to be accepted since their store was bought out from under them so to speak, that would make the most sense initially.

Serene Night · February 2016

Everyone has different ideas of what is appropriate and what is not. I actually have no issue with discussing promo art just as I have no issue discussing the cover of a book. These are items for display for sale. Promo art and the copy used with it reflect on the store and the pa's skills. Not liking something or liking something is not being mean. People are allowed to dislike stuff.

Richard Haseltine · February 2016

The issue of promo images has been quite adequately aired. It will be up to Daz to decide whether the existing promo images work for the Daz store as-is, need supplementing, or need new renders in a different style so please allow the subject to lapse.

frogimus · February 2016

One thing that concerns me about the move/merge is that a lot of (really good) items at RDNA are collaborations of 2 or 3 artists. What happens when not all of them agree on the move?

mjc1016 · February 2016

frogimus said:

One thing that concerns me about the move/merge is that a lot of (really good) items at RDNA are collaborations of 2 or 3 artists. What happens when not all of them agree on the move?

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/72534/runtime-dna-content-migration-and-download/p1

frogimus · February 2016

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

Daikatana · February 2016

I think it's fun and exciting to find out Runtime DNA people will be merging with Daz Studio - there are many talented artists there who make amazing and wonderful products. (I've purchased alot of them.) Lately I've been thrilled to see the RDNA people making things for Daz Studio and Genesis 2 and 3 figures, and am happy to find they will be bringing these gifts here.

GiGi_7 said:

CathyM said:

I am also glad there are artists who create for Poser who will still be making things for that software, so that people using it can continue to purchase and look forward to creations from their favorite creators.

Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to say anything about the artwork used there or what "is unnacceptable" for use here. I am sure Daz and RDNA can sort out how they want to handle details, and there were ALOT of older items here in our store with artwork that was not so impressive. Alot of the older items actually now only have one promo shot to represent them.

Everyone is better at some things than others. Some are truly gifted at creating models, but can't seem to texture them to their best, or render artistic level images. At Daz Studio, I believe they have people who do the professional rendering for alot of what is sold here.

Anyway, I would also like to say welcome to Runtime DNA, so good to see you all moving here! There are tons of things I would hope someone could make DS Iray textures for, so many clothing models I'd love to see re-made for Genesis 3, even if none of THAT sort of thing happens, I am just really excited to see what does come along now! (And I sure hope Sydd continues making those fantastic light sets!) -Cathy

very Big +1

+2. +3, and +4

mjc1016 · February 2016

I'm waiting to see the list...because, while I don't have a ton of stuff from RDNA, most of what I do have is older.

DaWaterRat · February 2016

frogimus said:

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

There's nothing preventing artists from having products at multiple stores. Arki, for example, already has products here as well as her stuff at RDNA - and I think she may even have a product or two over at Renderosity. So as long as the artists agree on which store to host the product at, there shouldn't be a problem with all of them becoming vendors at that store, even if only one of them maintains a larger catalog there.

Alternately, one artist could "buy out" their partners for that product.

Though I'm sure some products (mostly older ones) will vanish. We're just waiting to figure out which ones.

DanaTA · February 2016

scorpio said:

lx said:

Does Poser's range of figures work in Studio?

Not that I am aware of, especially the newer ones Poser uses a different form of weightmapping, this is if you mean the figures that are released as part of Poser, personally I've never felt any need for them, I find them all rather ugly and difficult to use. I haven't even got the latest male for Poser Pro11, from what I saw there didn't seem any point.

I always thought Miki was a good model. A while back a kind friend gifted me to get Miki 3, so I did. I have Poser Pro 2010. No weight mapping, so I can't use Miki 4. Some day. I've seen Pauline looking pretty nice lately, too. Only for Poser 11, though.

Dana

DanaTA · February 2016

TesseractSpace said:

Vaskania said:

Stryder87 said:

*gasp* Does this mean my absolute favorite outfit will get ported over to G2F/G3F???? (http://www.runtimedna.com/Oohlala.html)

That would be one item crossed off my bucket list!!!! The thought of this almost makes me as excited as that woman from Independance Day who said "God, I hope they bring back Elvis!"

Only if those vendors decide to port it over. If not, than it'll stay a V4 product only.

Couldn't hurt to ask Littlefox at some point.

But in the meantime it seems to transfer ok to G3f with Wear Them All. The shoes are the only part that gives me trouble.

Footwear is always a problem for conversions...even going from V4 to Genesis, or G2F to G3F, from everything I've read in the forums.

Dana

TesseractSpace · February 2016

DanaTA said:

TesseractSpace said:

Vaskania said:

Stryder87 said:

*gasp* Does this mean my absolute favorite outfit will get ported over to G2F/G3F???? (http://www.runtimedna.com/Oohlala.html)

That would be one item crossed off my bucket list!!!! The thought of this almost makes me as excited as that woman from Independance Day who said "God, I hope they bring back Elvis!"

Only if those vendors decide to port it over. If not, than it'll stay a V4 product only.

Couldn't hurt to ask Littlefox at some point.

But in the meantime it seems to transfer ok to G3f with Wear Them All. The shoes are the only part that gives me trouble.

Footwear is always a problem for conversions...even going from V4 to Genesis, or G2F to G3F, from everything I've read in the forums.

Dana

In this case there was evidently a morph pose needed to fit them to V4 in the first place so not much chance to get them working on G3F. The stockings converted just fine.

Cybersox · February 2016

DanaTA said:

scorpio said:

lx said:

Does Poser's range of figures work in Studio?

Not that I am aware of, especially the newer ones Poser uses a different form of weightmapping, this is if you mean the figures that are released as part of Poser, personally I've never felt any need for them, I find them all rather ugly and difficult to use. I haven't even got the latest male for Poser Pro11, from what I saw there didn't seem any point.

I always thought Miki was a good model. A while back a kind friend gifted me to get Miki 3, so I did. I have Poser Pro 2010. No weight mapping, so I can't use Miki 4. Some day. I've seen Pauline looking pretty nice lately, too. Only for Poser 11, though.

Dana

Miki and MIki 2 were excellent models when compared to the DAZ Gen 3 models that were available at the time of their introduction, as was Terai Yuki 2, one of the few figures to be based on a pre-existing character (Terai Yuki was originally created as a "virtual idol" and was the featured character in several Japanese films.) Actually, most of the poser characters that have a 2 or higher at the end of their name weren't too bad, suggesting that, if SM had ever simply kept developing existing characters rather than starting over with most new versions of the software, they might have come up with some winners. That promise is certainly hinted at with the evolution of Miki, who was developed in large part for the Japanese market, as well as the character that I consider to be the best native poser figure ever, Anastasia, which is a heavily rebuilt version of Alyson 2.

Cybersox · February 2016

DaWaterRat said:

frogimus said:

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

There's nothing preventing artists from having products at multiple stores. Arki, for example, already has products here as well as her stuff at RDNA - and I think she may even have a product or two over at Renderosity. So as long as the artists agree on which store to host the product at, there shouldn't be a problem with all of them becoming vendors at that store, even if only one of them maintains a larger catalog there.

Alternately, one artist could "buy out" their partners for that product.

Though I'm sure some products (mostly older ones) will vanish. We're just waiting to figure out which ones.

Sadly, I'm guessing that we'll see the loss the majority of the items in the deep freeze section and most of the DAZ Gen 3 product at the very least. I'll also be quite surprised if the weight-mapped V4 makes the trip and Evil Innocence's CrossDresser items make the trip.

Cybersox · February 2016

DaWaterRat said:

frogimus said:

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

There's nothing preventing artists from having products at multiple stores. Arki, for example, already has products here as well as her stuff at RDNA - and I think she may even have a product or two over at Renderosity. So as long as the artists agree on which store to host the product at, there shouldn't be a problem with all of them becoming vendors at that store, even if only one of them maintains a larger catalog there.

Alternately, one artist could "buy out" their partners for that product.

Though I'm sure some products (mostly older ones) will vanish. We're just waiting to figure out which ones.

I suspect that one of the major winners in all this will be CG-Bytes and COntent Paradise, as Renderosity's clearance policies will probably make it an unlikely destination for older product.

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Cybersox13 said:

DaWaterRat said:

frogimus said:

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

There's nothing preventing artists from having products at multiple stores. Arki, for example, already has products here as well as her stuff at RDNA - and I think she may even have a product or two over at Renderosity. So as long as the artists agree on which store to host the product at, there shouldn't be a problem with all of them becoming vendors at that store, even if only one of them maintains a larger catalog there.

Alternately, one artist could "buy out" their partners for that product.

Though I'm sure some products (mostly older ones) will vanish. We're just waiting to figure out which ones.

Sadly, I'm guessing that we'll see the loss the majority of the items in the deep freeze section and most of the DAZ Gen 3 product at the very least. I'll also be quite surprised if the weight-mapped V4 makes the trip and Evil Innocence's CrossDresser items make the trip.

Why would the Daz Gen3 stuff be unlikely to make it to the Daz store?

mjc1016 · February 2016

DanaTA said:

Footwear is always a problem for conversions...even going from V4 to Genesis, or G2F to G3F, from everything I've read in the forums.

Dana

As a side note...it is often easier to export the shoes as an obj and fit them in a modeller, then import and rig as if a new item, than it is to try and transfer them.

Kerya · February 2016

lx said:

Cybersox13 said:

DaWaterRat said:

frogimus said:

Oh, yeah. I know about that. I'm more concerrned with the stuff I don't yet own. If the 2 or 3 artists all end up at different stores, what happens to the collaborated product. Does it vanish into the ether? Sort of like Mortem Vetus has already stated that they will just let some of their older stuff vanish as they move here.

There's nothing preventing artists from having products at multiple stores. Arki, for example, already has products here as well as her stuff at RDNA - and I think she may even have a product or two over at Renderosity. So as long as the artists agree on which store to host the product at, there shouldn't be a problem with all of them becoming vendors at that store, even if only one of them maintains a larger catalog there.

Alternately, one artist could "buy out" their partners for that product.

Though I'm sure some products (mostly older ones) will vanish. We're just waiting to figure out which ones.

Sadly, I'm guessing that we'll see the loss the majority of the items in the deep freeze section and most of the DAZ Gen 3 product at the very least. I'll also be quite surprised if the weight-mapped V4 makes the trip and Evil Innocence's CrossDresser items make the trip.

Why would the Daz Gen3 stuff be unlikely to make it to the Daz store?

Because Daz is vaulting their own older items - so why should they accept new "older" items?

The only thing that stops them from big vaulting is the promise to PC members that the PC items will stay available ...

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Ohhh, generation 3, not Genesis 3? Confusing names v.v

VoltisArt · February 2016

Everyone...please stop calling Millennium "Gen." It confuses the audience. Mil works just fine and requires the same number of letters. :)

Mil(lennium) 1
Mil 2
Mil 3
Mil 4/4.2
Gen(esis) 1 {a.k.a. Mil 5}
Gen 2 {a.k.a. Mil 6}
Gen 3 {a.k.a. Mil 7}

Kerya · February 2016

Wellllll, but there were many years of Mil Generation 2, 3 and 4 (1999 - 2011) - and not so many years of Genesis ...

And, well, Daz themselves are still counting with the Gen(erations) - because you see, Genesis is V5, M5 and so on, Genesis2 goes on with V6 and Genesis3 with V7 ... so Gen(eration) is the more common use for Daz too.

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