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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,284
    Valandar said:

    5 ) Hollywood military jargon is as accurate as Hollywood Science. Which means that some get it right, but most get it so, soooooo wrong. :D

    at least they sometimes get it right. Watch a movie where someone is playing a guitar and see what their hands are doing if you want to see inaccurate. I have involuntarily projectile vomited on TV's tuned to the Disney Chanel on because of this chicanery,

     

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603

    You yanks had all the toys, When I joined the Canadian Forces in 1977, my first vehicle was a 52 Deuce-and-a-half, we still flew F101 Starfighters, and drove Centurion tanks, and my personal weapon was a STEN (Sterling Mk5). It wasn't really until we got involved with the mid-east, that we modernized. We NEVER went HooRah (or OO-RA), and the brains at the top refused to issue camo uniforms as it would "embolden the troops." :P

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  • ValandarValandar Posts: 1,418

    Don't you WANT to "embolden the troops"? frown

  • True story.

    During GMT when we learned the NATO alphabet I misheard the word used for the letter U and as a result spent my entire military career saying "unicorn" for the letter U instead of  "uniform". So in my own special way I made the artillery a little more magical when we rained exploding death down upon the world.

    I didn't even learn about my mistake until many years after returning to civillian life.

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603
    Valandar said:

    Don't you WANT to "embolden the troops"? frown

    In the early 1980's, the CAF was not intended to be a combat force. In fact, the Prime Minster at the time (the father of the current one), sought to disband the whole CAF. In 1985 my regiment (LdSH) did a road-move exercise from Calgary to Saskatoon (I'll let you folks look it up devil). I lost count of the times we were accused of being an American invasion force because Canada didn't have an army. cheeky

  • I worked at an airport once and these are the ones used in civilian aviation, U was uniform and V was Victor. We used pappa for P rather than poppa but maybe that's just a British/American thing. I thought the military used different ones, Able, Baker, Charlie etc but maybe that's just in old British war films.

     

    Able, Baker, Charlie are pre-NATO. The phonetic alphabet got standardized across all the NATO nations.... except for me and my unicorn apparently.

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    tee hee Sorry, Couldn't Resist

     

  • Etrigan said:

    You yanks had all the toys, When I joined the Canadian Forces in 1977, my first vehicle was a 52 Deuce-and-a-half, we still flew F101 Starfighters, and drove Centurion tanks, and my personal weapon was a STEN (Sterling Mk5). It wasn't really until we got involved with the mid-east, that we modernized. We NEVER went HooRah (or OO-RA), and the brains at the top refused to issue camo uniforms as it would "embolden the troops." :P

    When I went from being a gunner to a command post technician I had to give up my FN for the SMG. I hated the SMG except for the fact it was used as the base for the Star Wars Storm Trooper blasters. Loved the FN though, beautiful rifle.

  • Etrigan said:

    . I lost count of the times we were accused of being an American invasion force because Canada didn't have an army. cheeky

     

    I always got a kick out of the way Canadians call all soldiers "army guys". It always seemed like such a warm and friendly term. I used to like it when I was in uniform and I'd hear a kid say "look mom! An army guy!".

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603
    Etrigan said:

    . I lost count of the times we were accused of being an American invasion force because Canada didn't have an army. cheeky

     

    I always got a kick out of the way Canadians call all soldiers "army guys". It always seemed like such a warm and friendly term. I used to like it when I was in uniform and I'd hear a kid say "look mom! An army guy!".

    Yes, at which point the mother would grab the child and scurry off. With whom were you a gunner, ghastly?

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    think this is an awac, pretty picture above the clouds. 

     

    there's an A10 in the carrara native content. just have to paint a toothy grin on it laugh

  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202
    edited February 2016
    Etrigan said:

    The phonetic alphabet was started with Morse code.and included on the first voice sets (link: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/FAA_Phonetic_and_Morse_Chart2.svg/550px-FAA_Phonetic_and_Morse_Chart2.svg.png). The image would be too large for the forums. Other interesting "veiled speech" codes could be fun. In Canada, since we didn't have secure comms, we used (useless) veiled speech. Sunray = HQ/Commander, Starlight = Medic. So, my callsign was Starlight 49A (Starlight four-niner Alpha)

     

    As a retired Canadian Radio Operator (Rad Op)  what you are refering to is is not Veiled Speech it is actually following the NATO ACP publications that are common across all NATO Radio nets which is prosigns. Signals Pro Sign is Pronto, Medical/Dental is Starlight, Arms Indicators are also used such as Tango is Armored, Foxtrot or Indian is Infantry excetera.

    Callsign would be under the command number of 9 and typically be 91A through Z for Signals.

     

     

    DzFire said:

     

     @DZfire

    I thought it was "Hoo-Rah!", but then again I thought semper fidelis meant "don't run away, you'll just die tired." 

    "Hoo-Rah" is a Marine call. The Army actually started it as "Hoo-Wa" which means "heard, understood, acknowlaged". The Marine Corps started using "Hoo-Rah" sometime after and before that, it was "Aye-Aye!".

    Now, the next question is, why do we put three strands of concertina wire around FOBs?

    In the Canadian Military Forward Operating Bases (FOB) you have 3 rows of hesco bastion and then the 3 rows of Concertina Wire (razer wire).

    The Hesco bastion is basically wire forms filled with rock and dirt that are 2X2X4 feet. The are built in a perimid for so you have 3 deep at the bottom 2 for the next layer then one on top with the concertena above that.

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  • lcfarlcfar Posts: 88

    think this is an awac, pretty picture above the clouds. 

    That's not an AWAC, it's an AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System). That's another thing Hollywood gets wrong. I used to work for the company that built them.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    lcfar said:

    think this is an awac, pretty picture above the clouds. 

    That's not an AWAC, it's an AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System). That's another thing Hollywood gets wrong. I used to work for the company that built them.

    Grumman?  
     

    Grumman was a major long island employer in the 80s.  i worked a few years there.

  • Etrigan said:
    Etrigan said:

    . I lost count of the times we were accused of being an American invasion force because Canada didn't have an army. cheeky

     

    I always got a kick out of the way Canadians call all soldiers "army guys". It always seemed like such a warm and friendly term. I used to like it when I was in uniform and I'd hear a kid say "look mom! An army guy!".

    Yes, at which point the mother would grab the child and scurry off. With whom were you a gunner, ghastly?

     

     

    Most of the year it would be 56 Field Regiment RCA, 69 Battery. But for the summers we'd be up north at CFB Petawawa under the command of 2 RCHA. That's where the real fun happened. So many explosions.

  • lcfarlcfar Posts: 88
    MistyMist said:
    lcfar said:

    think this is an awac, pretty picture above the clouds. 

    That's not an AWAC, it's an AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System). That's another thing Hollywood gets wrong. I used to work for the company that built them.

    Grumman?  
     

    Grumman was a major long island employer in the 80s.  i worked a few years there.

     

    No, Boeing, in Seattle. I actually interviewed for a job on that program in 1978 but ended up taking a different job, still with Boeing.

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587

    Both the military and civil aviation use "zulu" time, which is the same as UTC+0 (UTC = Coordinated Universal Time, based on the amalgamated results of 400 caesium atomic clocks around the world. It's approximately the same as GMT, which is based on solar time. There are occasional leap seconds to keep them in sync)

    19:00z ("nineteen hundred zulu") is the same as 7pm in London, 2pm in New York, or 11am in Los Angeles. (at this time of year - daylight savings would get added to that in the Summer.)

    There are other military time zones -- alpha is UTC+1, bravo UTC+2 etc -- but I don't know how widely they are used (not in aviation, which is where my experience comes from).

    Phonetic spelling is also used commonly when "swearing without swearing" - telling someone to foxtrot oscar, or describing something as a charlie foxtrot...

  • This thread brings back memories. I was a communications specialists in the Army and served in Iraq in 2003. Unfortunately at that time most of  the soldiers (younger than me and I am only 37 now) didn't follow proper protocol, most spoke in everyday civilian language. Some of the Post Commanders in Iraq were very loose in what they allowed soldiers to get by with.  But when I went through Basic and then A.I.T (advanced individual training) you were smoked for not speaking the proper military terms/ phonetic alphabet and other codes/terms/abbreviations. It took me years once I got out to final speak full civilian words. Imagine peoples' reactions when I would ask where the latrine was or try to get directions for the commisary and so on. 

  • EsemwyEsemwy Posts: 578

     

    Phonetic spelling is also used commonly when "swearing without swearing" - telling someone to foxtrot oscar, or describing something as a charlie foxtrot...

    Don't forget "tango uniform," my personal favorite. 

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587
    Esemwy said:

    Don't forget "tango uniform," my personal favorite. 

    I always loved "unusual attitude" training  ;)   --^.^--

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,284
    Esemwy said:

     

    Phonetic spelling is also used commonly when "swearing without swearing" - telling someone to foxtrot oscar, or describing something as a charlie foxtrot...

    Don't forget "tango uniform," my personal favorite. 

    I'm partial to Snafu, which has no phonetic...

    ...it's just Snafu.

    wow, that wiki page just blew my mind as to who was behind those cartoons for the US Military. 

     

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,497
    Esemwy said:

     

    Phonetic spelling is also used commonly when "swearing without swearing" - telling someone to foxtrot oscar, or describing something as a charlie foxtrot...

    Don't forget "tango uniform," my personal favorite. 

    I'm partial to Snafu, which has no phonetic...

    ...it's just Snafu.

    wow, that wiki page just blew my mind as to who was behind those cartoons for the US Military. 

     

    I've got the set - and for six-week wonders, they are incredibly well done.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    does it make sense for 2 awacs to be flying together?

    loaded 2 on impulse

    thanks :)

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    learned today no aircraft sound effects i currently have sounds like an A10.  and they said i should look for mini gun sounds, and for 130 howitzer.

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    rainbow wardrobe on an aircraft carrier

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/rainbow.asp

    details never thought about before 

  • chrisschellchrisschell Posts: 267
    edited July 2016

    In my miitary art I try to get the details correct as best I'm able... and that includes things like the "shirt" colours on a Carrier Deck Crew... When I'm trying to depict something historical I'll dig through as many reference pics as I'm able to find to try and get the details as close as I can... though I do make choices to a certain extent for artistic value as well...

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    In my miitary art I try to get the details correct as best I'm able... and that includes things like the "shirt" colours on a Carrier Deck Crew... When I'm trying to depict something historical I'll dig through as many reference pics as I'm able to find to try and get the details as close as I can... though I do make choices to a certain extent for artistic value as well...

     

    that's an uber awesome render!!

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    wonder what Earth looks like from orbit crossing from day to night?
    how sharp is the light fall-off area?

  • chrisschellchrisschell Posts: 267
    edited July 2016
    MistyMist said:

    In my miitary art I try to get the details correct as best I'm able... and that includes things like the "shirt" colours on a Carrier Deck Crew... When I'm trying to depict something historical I'll dig through as many reference pics as I'm able to find to try and get the details as close as I can... though I do make choices to a certain extent for artistic value as well...

     

    that's an uber awesome render!!

    Thanks! Took me about a month to set everything up... everything got custom textures, and many items got custom modifications to the meshes as well so that the details would be reasonable accurate... there are over 500 figures and items in the scene, and that's just for the Carrier deck crew... even the catapult crews for the forward cats are present (though hard to spot)... I spent a fair bit of time reserching everything to make sure it all looked right.

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  • ValandarValandar Posts: 1,418
    MistyMist said:

    wonder what Earth looks like from orbit crossing from day to night?
    how sharp is the light fall-off area?

    About like this:

     

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