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MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
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i been studying this clip for hints on how to build tension for my animation.

they saying stufff like -
send package bravo,
awac,
send raptors to killbox one alpha

is stuff like killbox one alpha real jargon?


Thanks.

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  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,081
    edited February 2016

    No, pretty much BS. "awacs" and raptors will have callsigns (usually some word and a number). Instead of "killbox" they will be using a map coordinate. Once air support is close, the pilot will typically contact the ground unti to make sure that the air strike knows who's who on the gournd and where the enemy is.

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Thanks. 

    this prolly refers to a game and not real military jargon.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_box

     

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,081
    edited February 2016

    Still, typical military communications styles aren't exactly secret. It really shouldn't be that hard to use authentic style communications rather than mall ninja cr*p.

    Bravo to you for wanting realism.

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  • Pack58Pack58 Posts: 750
    edited February 2016

    This site may be some use to you

    https://www.quora.com/topic/Military-Jargon-Lingo-Terminology

    No. I was wrong. It's poop.

    Anyway; Package can mean the aircraft tasked with a (usually ground strike) mission including fighter support etc, killzone and AWAC are also modern(ish) military terms

    There is video around from personal helmet cams of live action, try checking YouTube

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i learned the call letters.  get stuck sometimes though

    alpha
    bravo
    charlie
    delta
    echo
    foxtrot
    gulf
    hotel
    india
    juliette
    kilo
    mike
    november
    oscar
    poppa
    quebec
    romes
    sierra
    tango
    u - always get stuck 
    v
    whisky
    yankee
    zulu

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,684

    Uncle Victor?

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    edited February 2016

    This was the Director/Screenwriter playing to the target audience, not realism.

     

    They know most of the audience was going to be gamer kids.  So they used 'psuedo-military' terminology from CoD, CS, etc., that those kids would recognize.

     

    Real military communications are a lot more obscure (unless you are IN the military) so that something like "send raptors to killbox-one-alpha" would actually be "Bravo-Tango-Delta this is Eyes Forward, confirm targets at 4-Quebec-Foxtrot-Juliette-1-0-0-0-5-0-0-0, you are GO for drop."  (though the 4QFJ could probably be dropped as the pilots would already know the quad that they were scrambled to.)

    edited to fix wrong phonetic alphabet words.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,684

    No Uniform 

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,456
    edited February 2016

    U=Uniform. Is this what you're looking for?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

    Uncle Victor was the old Able-Baker-Charlie US phonetic alphabet, obsoleted after 1956.

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  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    MistyMist said:

    i learned the call letters.  get stuck sometimes though

    kilo
    mike

    Must be thinking of Christmas, cause you've got no L.

    Sing we all no L.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,682
    fool said:

    Uncle Victor?

    I think it's Uniform Victor.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,682
    MistyMist said:

    i learned the call letters.  get stuck sometimes though

    alpha
    bravo
    charlie
    delta
    echo
    foxtrot
    gulf
    hotel
    india
    juliette
    kilo
    mike
    november
    oscar
    poppa
    quebec
    romes
    sierra
    tango
    u - always get stuck 
    v
    whisky
    yankee
    zulu

    I worked at an airport once and these are the ones used in civilian aviation, U was uniform and V was Victor. We used pappa for P rather than poppa but maybe that's just a British/American thing. I thought the military used different ones, Able, Baker, Charlie etc but maybe that's just in old British war films.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,097
    fool said:

    Uncle Victor?

    Yeah... What's ups?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    Peter Wade said:
    MistyMist said:

    i learned the call letters.  get stuck sometimes though

    alpha
    bravo
    charlie
    delta
    echo
    foxtrot
    gulf
    hotel
    india
    juliette
    kilo
    mike
    november
    oscar
    poppa
    quebec
    romes
    sierra
    tango
    u - always get stuck 
    v
    whisky
    yankee
    zulu

    I worked at an airport once and these are the ones used in civilian aviation, U was uniform and V was Victor. We used pappa for P rather than poppa but maybe that's just a British/American thing. I thought the military used different ones, Able, Baker, Charlie etc but maybe that's just in old British war films.

    This made me think back to when I was still working in the Royal Parks.  For the dedicated police force they used the call sign letters fo the first letter of each Park. However as two Parks began with R Richmond Park got the Romeo Call sign and Regents Park was given Z (Zulu) because Londond Zoo was in Regents Park.  Did get a bit humorous when the first Black Police Inspector was put in charge of Regents Park, as his call sign was then Zulu 1.

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603
    edited February 2016

    The phonetic alphabet was started with Morse code.and included on the first voice sets (link: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/FAA_Phonetic_and_Morse_Chart2.svg/550px-FAA_Phonetic_and_Morse_Chart2.svg.png). The image would be too large for the forums. Other interesting "veiled speech" codes could be fun. In Canada, since we didn't have secure comms, we used (useless) veiled speech. Sunray = HQ/Commander, Starlight = Medic. So, my callsign was Starlight 49A (Starlight four-niner Alpha)

     

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  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,130
    edited February 2016

    The page http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/a/alphabet.htm has not only the current NATO phonetic alphabet, but also some historic versions, in case you want to do a WW1 story.  Pretty neat.

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  • DzFireDzFire Posts: 1,473
    edited February 2016

    In the heat of the moment, yes. I am a 28 year retired army. Hoowa.

    Now, if anyone can tell me what hoowa means, you know your stuff too.

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,925

    And if I recall (ex-Army officer, but I didn't handle ordinance coordination as a Forward Observer) you never say, "I repeat, blah blah blah" because that signifies a second round. 

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,925
    DzFire said:

    In the heat of the moment, yes. I am a 28 year retired army. Hoowa.

    Now, if anyone can tell me what hoowa means, you know your stuff too.

    Don't know about hoowa, but I know hut-two-three-four is right next to hut-two-three-five.   (groaner.) 

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Novica said:

    And if I recall (ex-Army officer, but I didn't handle ordinance coordination as a Forward Observer) you never say, "I repeat, blah blah blah" because that signifies a second round. 

     

    good safety tip.  

  • IkyotoIkyoto Posts: 1,159

    y favotitwe was always "COVERMY SIX!!!"

  • randydood_961bf59e16randydood_961bf59e16 Posts: 61
    edited February 2016

    Das sum modavadin trash, undastan dat!

    They just Hollywooded it up! 

    Got fixed wing CAS on 5 minute strip alert. Rotor-wing CAS on station. Heavy Barrel getting ready to make it rain. Pre-determined points alpha through sierra gonna feel that thunda!  Fire for effect. shake and bake, baby!!  Echo 4 Bravo is oscar mike to that pos most riki-tik.  buttah buttah jam.

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,278
    edited February 2016

    FWIW The Police alphabet can be slightly different from Military, at least this was the case the last time I was in the back of a police car (the Long Island Rail Road takes bonfires with oil soaked rail road ties very seriously).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAPD_radio_alphabet

    and some of us IT people learn the Miltary versions because so many tech calls are made to ESL countries you can start to feel silly saying "T as in Taco Tuesday, P as in Pneumonia..."

     @DZfire

    I thought it was "Hoo-Rah!", but then again I thought semper fidelis meant "don't run away, you'll just die tired." 

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  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited February 2016

    Do a search on Amazon for:

    'A Civilian's Guide To The US Military: A Comprehensive Reference To The Customs, Language And Structure Of The Armed Forces', by Barbara Schading.

    To date, it's the best user-friendly guide I've found for writers seeking to emulate the US military in realistic terms. Has some examples of scenes which the casual reader would assume to be fine and poitns out the numerous flaws. Has chapters devotes to stuff like protocol, uniforms and not only splits up the primary branches of the military, but also specifically covers special forces representation, too.

    Basically, everything a writer needs and written in healthy layman's terms. :) One of the most useful go-to reference guides I have on Kindle.

    If you need something on weapons use, then search:

    'A Writer's Guide To Weapons: A Practical Reference For Using Firearms And Knives In Fiction', by Benjamin Sobieck.

    I was half-wondering whether or not to get it, because I had to write some scenes which demanded authenticity, but with the chapters covering stuff like myth-busting on assumptions, it swayed me. Turned out to be one of my best reference purchases!

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i think these are 2 of the planes in the clip

    A10 ?

    and ac130

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    edited February 2016

    Ah, the A-10 Warthog.....the uber-gun with wings strapped to it.....

     

    The gun in the A-10

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  • DzFireDzFire Posts: 1,473
    StratDragon said:

     

     @DZfire

    I thought it was "Hoo-Rah!", but then again I thought semper fidelis meant "don't run away, you'll just die tired." 

    "Hoo-Rah" is a Marine call. The Army actually started it as "Hoo-Wa" which means "heard, understood, acknowlaged". The Marine Corps started using "Hoo-Rah" sometime after and before that, it was "Aye-Aye!".

    Now, the next question is, why do we put three strands of concertina wire around FOBs?

  • ValandarValandar Posts: 1,418

    1 ) The Marines say "Ooh Rah!", not "Hoo Rah". Sometime in 1953 or 1954, 1st Amphib Recon Marines, while on a conditioning run on land singing chants, someone imitated the "Dive" horn sound "AARUGHA", and it naturally became a Recon Warrior chant or mantra while on runs. Thus, it has NOTHING to do with the Army's "Hoowa".

    2 ) Aye-aye is ALWAYS the correct way for a Marine to respond to a command. End of story. "Ooh rah" is more of a motivational thing.

    3 ) It's Golf, not Gulf, and Romeo, not Romes, in the modern military "alphabet". L is Lima, U is Uniform, and V is Victor. P is Papa, pronounced "pa-PAH".

    4 ) NEVER say "repeat" unless you wan Artillery to keep firing at their current aiming point. You say, "Say again" :D

    5 ) Hollywood military jargon is as accurate as Hollywood Science. Which means that some get it right, but most get it so, soooooo wrong. :D

  • DzFireDzFire Posts: 1,473
    Valandar said:

    1 ) The Marines say "Ooh Rah!", not "Hoo Rah". Sometime in 1953 or 1954, 1st Amphib Recon Marines, while on a conditioning run on land singing chants, someone imitated the "Dive" horn sound "AARUGHA", and it naturally became a Recon Warrior chant or mantra while on runs. Thus, it has NOTHING to do with the Army's "Hoowa".

    An old dog can learn a new thing or two. ;) 

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    other craft they used in the movie,
    V22 Osprey.

     


    in transformers2
    he's like, "send everyone"

     

    in StarTrek movie Nero was like, "fire everything"


    think it's part of the build tension formula-
    say something the audience doesn't expect to hear?

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