You've been heard. Response re: 4.9 and Encryption
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Well, if it claims to be the set then it's doing something wrong - lying or infringing. And in any event, the maps are presumably unchanged. However, if it's a torrent there's not a great deal of point in reporting it, sadly.
All good; just that as you may have read it's been suggested that a vocal minority means that the majority is approving (if they don't say "no," they mean "yes") which kind of puts me on edge.
Especially since the follow up response is often "so you think the silent ones are all disapproving too!!" which makes my head hurt.
Doesn't have to be identical to report it to CS. And it is still in violation even if it isn't identical.
How would you know?
I could make the same set of props (according to what I see on promos it's not a rocket science), package into DIM-compatible zip and upload under the same name (it's not a trademark and cannot be) and it will not be violation in any sense. How can you be sure that this is not the case? If he robbed some textures then we can find it but again - only because textures are not yet encrypted and we can compare them directly, for encrypted content the only way is to load it into Studio alongside the legitimate content and compare visually (actually more than that - they also may be equally looking but have different meshes). And once you have it loaded and it is really identical you can paint Black Jack on your computer - you're pirate. :)
This, to me, is one of the saddest comments I have seen here. I know it's not an official position, just a 'passing remark', but it does seem to spell out, in very clear terms, what a lot of people have been venting out in swathes of paragraphs. Piracy bad. DRM good. Shame about torrents. Just before DRM bolted through the stable door I reported a torrent site that had what I thought was a lot of content (DAZ, 'rosity, etc., etc.) on. The response I got was (to paraphrase for effect), "meh, what can you do?" I presume it's only the casual pirates who share the direct links to the files that 'we' care about?
Lying, of course. It's surely not the same package that DAZ is distributing :)
Agreed; I think maybe the best we can assume about the "silent majority' isn't that they don't approve or disapprove, but that they don't feel the issue is worth commenting on... yet. ;-)
-- Walt Sterdan
I don't think we can even assume that, we can in fact assume nothing at all about them
It's just so complicated. A small percentage of customers may be forum users, and a small percentage of them vocally disapproving, but there's also a smaller percentage vocally approving. The forum users that are silent may not want to argue against people, whether they approve or disapprove. Others might not even know the forums exist, or be content just using the program or be content quietly huffing over changes they disapprove of. Or they might not have noticed. Or they might not care either way. We have no idea.
Then you have the question of whether all users' opinons are equal: are PA opinions worth more, as they're making the content? What about the known high turnover rate of customers? Does that make the opinions of long time, high spending customers more valuable? Does the fact that there will almost always be some complaint about a change mean that complaints should be ignored? Which complaints about Daz has the highest viewer count / post count? Is that the biggest issue and should they be doing something about it or ignoring it and hoping it goes away?
I don't have the answers to any of these questions and I believe it's a mistake for anyone to act as if they do; especially Daz themselves.
assume makes an ass of u and me
I think the only opinions that matter to DAZ are those of people that buy content, and the importance of their opinion is directly proportional to the average amount they spend per month. Everyone else is just noise.
Well, DAZ also has to consider the opinion of their PAs as well. DAZ's business model revolves around stocking their store with a steady stream of sparkling new sales and they can't do that without PAs willing to get on board the DRM train with them.
Wonder if the customer IDs can tell how many costumers they have (some companies do not start at 0 with their numbers, to look bigger). Mine is 98xxx9 (close to 1.000.000), I signed up in 2008.
You can find it in your product library, select an item, then right click on the page in the right pane and get the page source, scroll down about 180 lines.
Probably not, considering that'd only tell you how many customers they have had at best. Also I realised my earlier '2000 products thing doesn't really matter, since that was a lot fewer orders (probably a few hundred orders though in 2015.)
I think if you look at the suggested ~$1000 to get on top of the what's hot list, average expected wage for someone to be able to do this full time vs product prices, numbers of followers popular artists have listed on other sites, number of active forum users, even average number of pirate downloads, somewhere in the ballpark of 20,000 active customers is probably a fairly good guess. A minority of those will likely be longtime avid shoppers, others longtime customers that only shop occasionally, and the rest a mix of high turnover come and go types and others.
Interesting, if that is correct I only have a 4 figure customer ID
Is it the same one I see when I mouse over your username ?
Well if you could find some of the first customers and then some of the newest, and perhaps a range in between you might get an idea - if the numbers aren't manipulated in some way.
Woah, I'm user number 2.8 million D:
Well assuming Chohole has been here forever and has a 4 figure number, and I'm recent and my number is higher than any of yours, I'd say your theory is accurate. It doesn't tell us how many of us are actually actively buying over say the past few months, though.
A much quicker way of finding it
Thanks, I was actually thinking of what yours was, you've been here since 2001 AFAIK...
Where? Doesn't work here in the forum for me.
The link to your profile under your avatar when you post.
I'm on firefox, when I mouse over your username, on the bottom left side of the browser I see the link to your profile
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/profile/983889/Taozen
here is mine
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/profile/2534814/icecrmn
I have been largely silent on the subject up until now. But to make sure my "silence" isn't interpreted as support, I will not use Encrypted content. I did not put in tickets for the freebies, probably should, but I have no intent on downloading, upgrading or otherwise using this content. Many recent decisions by Daz have put me off, and I now have most of what I want, and likely more than I'll ever "need". I've let my PC+ membership lapse, and likely won't be spending much more, if any.
Still, the numbers could be manipulated, like skipping some, e.g.: 01,11,21,31 ect.. Hard to tell unless you can find a range of consecutive numbers. But I don't think so, it fits quite well with the 2 million on their front page a few years ago (unless that number was manipulated also
).
Ah, OK. Yes, that's the same number.
If you go to a restaurant and the food tastes awful, are you going to say something to the staff or just quietly leave and vow to never come back? A lot of people don't like to make a scene - they just take their business elsewhere. There's no way to tell how the "silent majority" feels except to monitor sales numbers for several months and hope that you're not doing lasting harm to your brand in the meantime. Those of us who are being vocal against the DAZ Connect/encryption may be the only ones who hate it, or we may represent 10%, 50%, 99% of active customers - we don't know and we don't claim to know.
As for past, large-scale disagreements:
4.9 brings two distinct, but interrelated issues:
Some of the posters hate just one of the two issues, some hate both.
On top of that, DAZ backtracked from its promise of not trying to force DC/encryption right away by bringing out DC/encrypted-only products on Day One of DS 4.9's release. ("But those don't count - they're freebies, not paid products - though you do have to purchase $49 to get the freebies.") Then they released paid products that were DC/encrypted-only just a few days later. Then they encrypted the PClub freebie, though they backtracked on that later that day. Then they offered a freebie that's encrypted-only "so people who wanted to test encryption could". (There's no reason they couldn't have released that freebie in all three formats so it comes across as a "go [render] yourself" to those who don't want to use DC/encryption.)
All of this hurts their credibility.
I'm posting because I still care enough to hope DAZ will effect change before it's too late.
Mine's also four digits and I have been buying since Daz was Zygote and not Digital Art Zone
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