Semi-OT - nVidia Pascal cards debut finished, 1080GTX and 1070GTX announced!

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited May 2016

    It was response on Nvidia website that they still working on to make the new Pascal architecture to work with iray and that is .. no more no less , DAZ doing quit updates always with Nvidia fixes and this one is very important , the question only when .

    I knew it will be this way and the question is how well it will render and if optimal 

    Havos said:

    Reading what little info is out there, I am not sure what needs to be updated to get 1080 running on iRay. It is either the 1080 driver, the iRay software itself, or both. If it is the latter (or both), then as MEC4D says, we could be waiting some time to use the 1080 in DS, if DAZ first needs to wait for another iRay update, and then we have to wait for another DS update. If the issue is solely with the 1080 driver, then the wait could be shorter.

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    2 cards for rendering and 1 for display that is the best combination , don't mix slower cards with faster cards in iray as you will lose performance of the faster cards so waste of money

    @ sources of Pascal information

    Maybe it helps someone who can speak german or uses the google auto translator:

     

    PC Games Germany has a page that lists all the latest news about the Pascal Generation.

    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Nvidia-Pascal-Hardware-261713/

    Some of the german news also link to the english speaking source.

    - - -

    @ GP 102

    This one

    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Nvidia-Pascal-Hardware-261713/News/AIDA64-Entwickler-bestaetigen-angeblich-GP102-1196519/

     

    links to that one

    AIDA64 confirms GP102 silicon. This is probably the Big Pascal for gamers, that was being speculated ever since GP100 came out.

    http://videocardz.com/60289/breaking-news-aida64-developers-confirm-pascal-gp102-gp106-gp107-and-gp108

    - - -

    @ how many cards to buy for each generation?

    In any case I will stop buying three or four of the same GPU but instead place the maximum of the same GPU at two.

    This means I plan to use the following setup:

    The 2 new GPU are used for rendering.

    old GPU is used for the display.

    (optional) 1 additional old GPU is toggled on for rendering IF the scene also fits in the VRAM of the older GPU

    Maybe I also give away the 4th card and keep it at 2 new 1 old. depends on available power and space of the mainboard

    -> The reasoning behind this is that I expect a lot more GPU improvements in 2016, 2017, 2018 then there were in the last three years. I am not going to upgrade 3 to 4 cards each year but rather just get 2 of each new generation that offers larger VRAM.

    - - -

     

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    MEC4D said:

    It was response on Nvidia website that they still working on to make the new Pascal architecture to work with iray and that is .. no more no less , DAZ doing quit updates always with Nvidia fixes and this one is very important , the question only when .

    Have you seen more on this, because all I've found is the one post....that was linked in another thread, here. 

    It seems odd that something like that wouldn't be able to be handled through a driver update, unless Iray keeps an internal list of cards...

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,595
    mjc1016 said:
    MEC4D said:

    It was response on Nvidia website that they still working on to make the new Pascal architecture to work with iray and that is .. no more no less , DAZ doing quit updates always with Nvidia fixes and this one is very important , the question only when .

    Have you seen more on this, because all I've found is the one post....that was linked in another thread, here. 

    It seems odd that something like that wouldn't be able to be handled through a driver update, unless Iray keeps an internal list of cards...

    I doubt iRay has an internal list of cards, but Pascal is a new architecture, maybe with new low level instructions available, so iRay probably needs to be updated to handle the new architecture, and/or take advantage of any new functionality provided by it.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited May 2016

    Nope, nothing more about 

    well with the new architecture maybe not just a driver , I remember the same was with Maxwell architecture , Octane and Iray was way behind with their engine soft and of course they control how things works with different cards in iray , but one week ago they was not even closer so it may take little longer as they working on it

    also new reviews show up and indeed half of the hype was smoking mirrors .. they claim that 1080 was 2 x times faster than TitanX is not true according to new benchmarks and some games don't even reach 30fpm so 980ti owners was really relief 

    mjc1016 said:
    MEC4D said:

    It was response on Nvidia website that they still working on to make the new Pascal architecture to work with iray and that is .. no more no less , DAZ doing quit updates always with Nvidia fixes and this one is very important , the question only when .

    Have you seen more on this, because all I've found is the one post....that was linked in another thread, here. 

    It seems odd that something like that wouldn't be able to be handled through a driver update, unless Iray keeps an internal list of cards...

     

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  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    I remember when the 900 series came out reading that Octane wasn't working well on them, and many stayed with the 700 series, until drivers and whatever else had been optimized.

    The price for the new 1080 is $699 in an e-mail I just received from MicroCenter.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    exactly ... after they fix the soft to handle it everything will working fine but don't expect special iray driver,  for that you would need to spend 4K  on quadro to get the full potential of using multiple cards 

    Havos said:
    mjc1016 said:
    MEC4D said:

    It was response on Nvidia website that they still working on to make the new Pascal architecture to work with iray and that is .. no more no less , DAZ doing quit updates always with Nvidia fixes and this one is very important , the question only when .

    Have you seen more on this, because all I've found is the one post....that was linked in another thread, here. 

    It seems odd that something like that wouldn't be able to be handled through a driver update, unless Iray keeps an internal list of cards...

    I doubt iRay has an internal list of cards, but Pascal is a new architecture, maybe with new low level instructions available, so iRay probably needs to be updated to handle the new architecture, and/or take advantage of any new functionality provided by it.

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited May 2016

    I remember that , they needed to rewrite the software to make it works .I was running on 700 series on this time 

    I remember when the 900 series came out reading that Octane wasn't working well on them, and many stayed with the 700 series, until drivers and whatever else had been optimized.

    The price for the new 1080 is $699 in an e-mail I just received from MicroCenter.

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    EVGA have new version of 1080 check it http://www.evga.com/articles/01007/evga-geforce-gtx-1080/

    also hybrid and water cooled coming soon , looking nice !

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Most of the EVGA 1080's still show TBD on clocks, but the SC has 

    • Base Clock: 1708 MHz
    • Boost Clock: 1847 MHz

    To compare, the Founder's Edition reference:

    • Base Clock: 1607 MHz
    • Boost Clock: 1733 MHz

    I wonder if you can make the lights alternate while in use? That would be pretty rad, man. I built mine with a rainbow color changing fan that I think is really sexy, especially at night. It has a see through window, so having the GPU and that fan cycling like that would be quite a show. Don't judge.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I don't know about the light , my X99 Mobo and case light can do pretty rainbow effects and pulse to the music lol  RGB LEDs usually have rainbow colors 

    Most of the EVGA 1080's still show TBD on clocks, but the SC has 

    • Base Clock: 1708 MHz
    • Boost Clock: 1847 MHz

    To compare, the Founder's Edition reference:

    • Base Clock: 1607 MHz
    • Boost Clock: 1733 MHz

    I wonder if you can make the lights alternate while in use? That would be pretty rad, man. I built mine with a rainbow color changing fan that I think is really sexy, especially at night. It has a see through window, so having the GPU and that fan cycling like that would be quite a show. Don't judge.

     

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    I remember when the 900 series came out reading that Octane wasn't working well on them, and many stayed with the 700 series, until drivers and whatever else had been optimized.

    The price for the new 1080 is $699 in an e-mail I just received from MicroCenter.

    All the 1080 GTX cards on sale are 'Founders Editions' (i.e., reference cards).....The third-party card manufacturers had to commit to only selling those initially.  The re-vamps and custom designs for the 1080's will come out sometime in the next few weeks.  So while the non-FoundersEdition cards will start at a lower base price (MSRP $599), all the current offerings are the $699 founders editions (from all the manufacturers.)

    It'll be the same with the 1070 GTX, when it hits stores on the 10th.

     

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,422
    Petercat said:

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

    How urgent is the build? Or, more specifically, how long can you sit on your hands before punching the 'order' button.? I ended up building a new system last January (2015) and didn't get an Iray-capable video card until August. And it was NOT easy to wait.smiley Things should shake out in two or three months on the 1080 front.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    nicstt said:

    It isn't the only thing to consider; they may not be as good for rendering as the specs suggest as NVidia considers them a consumer card (games and general stuff); rendering is more their commercial variants.

    What they will be able to do, will be down to drivers. So am not in any hurry to part with my cash.

    2nd gen I'll consider, 1st gen GPU's are for folks with disposable income who will beta test while I wait.

     

    Indeed.

  • 3delinquent3delinquent Posts: 355

    Could someone explain hybrid vs water cooled please?

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Petercat said:

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

    Seriously, I'd wait.

    Either until the 980ti drops a decent amount, or the 1080 is proved to be worth the cash for rendering; it is likely to be months though, and probably more likely next year.

    A 970 might be a decent compromise, while you consider it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,928
    MEC4D said:

    The reason I did not got it was that it would affect the GPU scaling in combination with my cards , but the deal will be ok for people that run on CPU only and want upgrade for faster rendering , but if you want to use any other card with? forget !!! even using more than 2 x 1080 will affect already the GPU scaling and slow down the cards and rendering so for me not a deal.

    GTX 1080 is not supported yet for rendering with iray  so hold your horses until the compatible version is released and DAZ Studio updated .

    kyoto kid said:

    ...for myself, I'd like to see benchmarks for CG production/rendering and not just games. As I don't do games, the results of the reviews and tests i see are pretty meaningless.

     

    ..oh I'm content to wait for a while until this all settles down and we get a firm release date, price and specs on HBM 2 GPUs. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,928
    edited May 2016
    Havos said:

    Reading what little info is out there, I am not sure what needs to be updated to get 1080 running on iRay. It is either the 1080 driver, the iRay software itself, or both. If it is the latter (or both), then as MEC4D says, we could be waiting some time to use the 1080 in DS, if DAZ first needs to wait for another iRay update, and then we have to wait for another DS update. If the issue is solely with the 1080 driver, then the wait could be shorter.

    ...supposedly there is a 4.92 release, though not sure if  it is a beta or not as the DIM also updated and erased my password so I can't log in thorough in to check.

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,422
    kyoto kid said:
    Havos said:

    Reading what little info is out there, I am not sure what needs to be updated to get 1080 running on iRay. It is either the 1080 driver, the iRay software itself, or both. If it is the latter (or both), then as MEC4D says, we could be waiting some time to use the 1080 in DS, if DAZ first needs to wait for another iRay update, and then we have to wait for another DS update. If the issue is solely with the 1080 driver, then the wait could be shorter.

    ...supposedly there is a 4.92 release, though not sure if  it is a beta or not as the DIM also updated and erased my password so I can't log in thorough in to check.

    Nvidia doesn't have Iray working for the 1080 yet, so Studio 4.9.2.70 won't have the 1080-capable Iray.

    I would image we'll see a 4.9.2.7x or .8x update for Studio when Iray supports the 1070 and 1080 cards, even if they're working on the 4.9.3 updates.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,928
    nicstt said:
    Petercat said:

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

    Seriously, I'd wait.

    Either until the 980ti drops a decent amount, or the 1080 is proved to be worth the cash for rendering; it is likely to be months though, and probably more likely next year.

    A 970 might be a decent compromise, while you consider it.

    ...think I'll just go back to considering a pair of Titan-Xs for now. They at least work with the current release of Iray and should give me enough video memory for handling the rendering load of most (but still not all) of my scenes. Definitely gonna need that 10 core i7 and gobs of quad channel memory for rendering scenes that exceed the Titan's memory.

  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643
    edited May 2016

    I have an ASUS GTX 780ti CUII OC and it has been very good. So this new ASUS might be in my distant future: http://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-GTX1080-O8G-GAMING/?_ga=1.122268363.1945739852.1462468196

     

    It has the rainbow light.

    http://pcdiy.asus.com/2016/05/this-is-the-asus-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal-on-another-level/

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Hybrid is the same size as the original and have water cooling for the GPU and Air cooling for Memory so both and you can jusr plug and play and ready to use, Water cooled is only with water block and you need custom water cooling system to make it work , Both are super clocked 

    Could someone explain hybrid vs water cooled please?

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,928
    ...can you get liquid cooling without overclocking? Overclocking reduces the lifespan which is why I don't bother with it.
  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

     General Release is the same 4.9.2.70 the fastes DS-iray yet , but this is not the one that will support Pascal A.

    kyoto kid said:
    Havos said:

    Reading what little info is out there, I am not sure what needs to be updated to get 1080 running on iRay. It is either the 1080 driver, the iRay software itself, or both. If it is the latter (or both), then as MEC4D says, we could be waiting some time to use the 1080 in DS, if DAZ first needs to wait for another iRay update, and then we have to wait for another DS update. If the issue is solely with the 1080 driver, then the wait could be shorter.

    ...supposedly there is a 4.92 release, though not sure if  it is a beta or not as the DIM also updated and erased my password so I can't log in thorough in to check.

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited May 2016

    That was before and mostly it happening on Air cooled systems, nothing will reduce your lifespan if you use water cooled as the GPU will never get as hot, it will last longer than Air cooled thanks to low temp . ,  it is super clocked as all other versions on the market other than the standard , most processors and grapguc cards are made today for that to get most of it . , all Boost technology overclock the processor and GPU today and totally safe as long you don't mess with the overclocking settings and run it on the edges with hot temperatures that is the #1  enemy .

    I am running my overclocked processor and GPU at 35-37C  50% cooler than on Air only 

    P.S Each time you start your computer you decrease the lifespan it is natural process , things wear off with the time , it is not made for last forever and if you going to use your GPU and CPU  for 5 years you got the best from that at the best speed it offer if you lucky over clocked or not , but there is not guaranty for anything as everything today is overclocked  more or less .

    kyoto kid said:
    ...can you get liquid cooling without overclocking? Overclocking reduces the lifespan which is why I don't bother with it.

     

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,559
    kyoto kid said:
    nicstt said:
    Petercat said:

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

    Seriously, I'd wait.

    Either until the 980ti drops a decent amount, or the 1080 is proved to be worth the cash for rendering; it is likely to be months though, and probably more likely next year.

    A 970 might be a decent compromise, while you consider it.

    ...think I'll just go back to considering a pair of Titan-Xs for now. They at least work with the current release of Iray and should give me enough video memory for handling the rendering load of most (but still not all) of my scenes. Definitely gonna need that 10 core i7 and gobs of quad channel memory for rendering scenes that exceed the Titan's memory.

    yeah I'm considering that too in the builds I've been looking at at least we know two titans are good for our passion and everyone seems to say it's the cores that matter interesting thing prior to release everyone was saying how much better the 1080s were to every other card including titans but in the latest reviews they're still comparing them against the 980s/980 ti and how much better they are but are not saying anything or comparing them at all against the titans could that be a hint at there is not much of if any advantage of them they did rave on about being faster but that maybe only if overclocked something I wouldn't want to do cause doesn't that reduce the lifespan of the card? Another been reading is even an nvidia tech head said the ones that'd see more advantages in these new cards really are those currently using lower end cards as well as being future proof for vr and other stuff whereas those with the 980s and up probably don't really need to upgrade to 1070/80s unless they have to have the newest and bragging rights 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,928
    MEC4D said:

    That was before and mostly it happening on Air cooled systems, nothing will reduce your lifespan if you use water cooled as the GPU will never get as hot, it will last longer than Air cooled thanks to low temp . ,  it is super clocked as all other versions on the market other than the standard , most processors and grapguc cards are made today for that to get most of it . , all Boost technology overclock the processor and GPU today and totally safe as long you don't mess with the overclocking settings and run it on the edges with hot temperatures that is the #1  enemy .

    I am running my overclocked processor and GPU at 35-37C  50% cooler than on Air only 

    P.S Each time you start your computer you decrease the lifespan it is natural process , things wear off with the time , it is not made for last forever and if you going to use your GPU and CPU  for 5 years you got the best from that at the best speed it offer if you lucky over clocked or not , but there is not guaranty for anything as everything today is overclocked  more or less .

    kyoto kid said:
    ...can you get liquid cooling without overclocking? Overclocking reduces the lifespan which is why I don't bother with it.

     

    ...when it comes ot overclocking, for some reason, the line by the character Tyrell from Bladerunner  keeps ringing in my head.

    "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,403
    MEC4D said:

    2 cards for rendering and 1 for display that is the best combination , don't mix slower cards with faster cards in iray as you will lose performance of the faster cards so waste of money.

     

    Cath,

    I have a 970 at the moment and I was planning on boosting it with a 1080. It sounds like this is not a good idea unless I reduce the  970 to driving the screen only?

    Cheers,

    Alex.

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    namffuak said:
    Petercat said:

    Urrrggghhh... So do I buy a 980ti for my new build, or wait and buy a 1080? All I do with it is render, right now I have a 960 4gig.

    I'm lost.

    How urgent is the build? Or, more specifically, how long can you sit on your hands before punching the 'order' button.? I ended up building a new system last January (2015) and didn't get an Iray-capable video card until August. And it was NOT easy to wait.smiley Things should shake out in two or three months on the 1080 front.

    Not that urgent, I'm waiting for the last of the parts from Newegg, and I'll probably have the OS installed and the computer up by June 6. Right now I'm rendering on my old i3/16gig/960/4gig system and as long as I stay away from, oh, Forest Superior and Fern Lake it does okay. But I've got some woodland episodes coming up in a couple of weeks...

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