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The futile search for Genesis 9 Male clothes

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  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584

    Cybersox said:

    And as if to hammer a nail in the general theme of conversation, today's promotion focusing on male products includes only one new outfit, and that one is clearly leaning towards a more feminine flattering aspect ie: highwater slacks and no socks on a male uniform?  

    I would love to have more male clothing as well. Fortunately male items aren't too hard to convert from previous generations. So far this generation doesn't have many youth-friendly items that I could buy, so I pulled outfits from previous generations for my promos for today's release, all the way back from M4. The M4 bodysuit has gotten a lot of mileage in my promos. laugh

    In promos from previous years, I even used a thong from David 3; there were a lot more niche male clothing back then.  

    That said, I need to stop being lazy and learn to make some clothing... but then it would probably be something risqué that the review team would say "No sir" laugh (But maybe not; I'm still getting used to the fact we can have a nude shot in promos after years of "Please calm that bulge down in that promo when the bulge was actually the default when I loaded it) devil

  • paulawp (marahzen)paulawp (marahzen) Posts: 1,714

    Male-M3dia said:

    Cybersox said:

    And as if to hammer a nail in the general theme of conversation, today's promotion focusing on male products includes only one new outfit, and that one is clearly leaning towards a more feminine flattering aspect ie: highwater slacks and no socks on a male uniform?  

    I would love to have more male clothing as well. Fortunately male items aren't too hard to convert from previous generations. So far this generation doesn't have many youth-friendly items that I could buy, so I pulled outfits from previous generations for my promos for today's release, all the way back from M4. The M4 bodysuit has gotten a lot of mileage in my promos. laugh

    In promos from previous years, I even used a thong from David 3; there were a lot more niche male clothing back then.  

    That said, I need to stop being lazy and learn to make some clothing... but then it would probably be something risqué that the review team would say "No sir" laugh (But maybe not; I'm still getting used to the fact we can have a nude shot in promos after years of "Please calm that bulge down in that promo when the bulge was actually the default when I loaded it) devil

    I have to admit that having bought practically all the male clothing for newer generations, I have been prowling older generations looking for anything that I think might convert and spiff up with updated textures.Especially in my case, looking for retro wear - there seems to have been a lot more of that way back when. 

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,422
    edited October 23
    Cybersox said:

    And as if to hammer a nail in the general theme of conversation, today's promotion focusing on male products includes only one new outfit, and that one is clearly leaning towards a more feminine flattering aspect ie: highwater slacks and no socks on a male uniform?  

    I saw the promo and thought the outfit was worth a closer look, but I find it overall lacking. I don't think it looks like it's made of the fabrics it would be made of in real life, and it's lacking the construction details I like to see. If I did cartoon style work, maybe it would be suitable.
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  • kprkpr Posts: 295
    edited October 23

    Matt_Castle said:

    background said:

    Maybe men should start wearing coffee shops, there seems to be more than enough of those.

    And, for variety, some bus stops and bathrooms. 

     To be fair, they have kitted us out so that male toons can now do the (freebie) balloon dance

    cheeky

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    3Ddreamer said:

    Cybersox said:

    And as if to hammer a nail in the general theme of conversation, today's promotion focusing on male products includes only one new outfit, and that one is clearly leaning towards a more feminine flattering aspect ie: highwater slacks and no socks on a male uniform?  

     

    Got really excited when I saw Aeon Soul promo this morning. Bundle flew into my cart because I thought it was male outfits. Wasn't until I looked at them I realised they were 3 sets of poses :-( Okay MALE poses, but I tend to lean towards Faber and Jepe for that. I already have all the males outfits from previous generations that suit me. I agree about the one male outfit today, disappointing. And the irony - I have all the 'Additional products used in promo images' section. Mal and HnC as recommended above.

    It wasn't until I had purchased them I realized they were poses. But I have all the outfits and even the set used in the promos. And those poses give me options to further use the outfits more fully. So I figure it was a win.  

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,059

    I was surprised that someone thought I had faulty logic.

    Previous discussions on the subject spoke of how in the real world, men's and women's clothing was interchangeable. 

    I waited for at least a year to introduce my response to that aspect of the issue.

    I very much understand why some PAs don't make male clothes. They need to make money.

    If you read the topic of this thread, it refers to how much needless serching we need to do. That problem is easily fixed by giving men and women their own categories in Genesis 9 clothing.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,265
    edited October 24

    Timbales said:

    Cybersox said:

    And as if to hammer a nail in the general theme of conversation, today's promotion focusing on male products includes only one new outfit, and that one is clearly leaning towards a more feminine flattering aspect ie: highwater slacks and no socks on a male uniform?  

    I saw the promo and thought the outfit was worth a closer look, but I find it overall lacking. I don't think it looks like it's made of the fabrics it would be made of in real life, and it's lacking the construction details I like to see.

    It really doesn't look like it was well researched, especially give that it's missing some rather important accessories like some kind of communications device, gloves, restraints and a weapon... what is this guard supposed to do if they run into a criminal, scold them sternly?  Then there's the tactical belt that uses a regular belt buckle and belt loops instead of one of the modern quick release buckles and the only attached accessory being what appears to be a pouch for two ammo magaines (or perhaps a funky looking taser).  This was a big surprise as I have over 50 products from MonkeyKing and they're usually well made... in fact, the pants and shoes from the MK Chef  outfit look much better suited to a security guard than what's used here.

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,098
    edited October 24

    Well... There are parts of the world where carrying weapons is as illegal for security guards as it is the public, going on the basis that you can't be shot when no guns are present (there were 22 gun related homicides in the UK in 2024 in a population exceeding 60 million). The lack of socks and communication device does seem wrong, but the lack of weapon seems normal and desirable for a peaceful society where security guards are there to turn around undesirables at the door, lock up, answer shopper questions and help old ladies who've fallen over because they're carrying too much shopping.

    Regards,

    Richard.

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  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,003

    Ron Knights said:

    I was surprised that someone thought I had faulty logic.

    Your real world example is a case of that specifically hinges on the idea that in the real world (most) clothing comes in a limited number of set sizes, and how the available choice of sizes was generally unsuitable for women. This is of no relevance to Daz Studio, which has functions specifically to resize clothing to whichever figure it is fitted to.

    Even as a man, I can tell you as much as, when I was younger and skinnier, I could have a *right* pain finding trousers that actually fitted, because my combination of waist and leg length was a ratio such that that even the "long" cuts of trousers in my waist size were really too short. I had one much coveted set of jeans which I found in a charity store (for Americans, I think you need to read "thrift store") that actually came with a 35" leg in my waist size, but which I was never able to find another match for.

    These are not problems that exist in Dazland.

    Do I think it would be funny to put bikini "armour" on a chubby succubus? Bam.

    A punk outfit on a busty halfling? Bam.

    A bunny girl outfit on a literal rabbit? After I'd made a new auto-fit clone, bam.

    None of these clothes originally came in the shape and sizes of the figures they're now fitted to, but Daz Studio has functionality for that. (Not necessarily always flawless functionality, but it at least *tries*).

    It's one thing to argue that clothing isn't the style you want, but ultimately all clothing in DS only comes in the one shape and size (that of the base figure shape of a generation) and on any other character shape, it has been resized and reproportioned.

    If you read the topic of this thread, it refers to how much needless serching we need to do. That problem is easily fixed by giving men and women their own categories in Genesis 9 clothing.

    I would certainly like to see more categorisation in G9 assets, and I think it was a mistake (even if cross-compatibility existed on a functional level) to not still have that categorisation from the start, because the indexing and metadata is independent from what will actually work. (e.g. with a small number of exceptions for expressions or poses that have been set up *very* weirdly, the "male" and "female" poses of previous generations will absolutely load on the other, although as with all poses might need fine tuning).

    But "would it be nice to have more categorisation" is a separate issue to whether in the real world a piece of clothing in a man's size would be baggy on a woman.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,265

    richardandtracy said:

    Well... There are parts of the world where carrying weapons is as illegal for security guards as it is the public, going on the basis that you can't be shot when no guns are present (there were 22 gun related homicides in the UK in 2024 in a population exceeding 60 million). The lack of socks and communication device does seem wrong, but the lack of weapon seems normal and desirable for a peaceful society. Regards, Richard.

    I remember getting on a shuttlebus at LAX many years ago and there were some elderly folks from New Zealand who were freaking out a bit about how many cops and security guards were roaming about with guns.  Going by my own experience, even in the UK, where security guards aren't allowed to carry guns, batons, or even pepper spray, most guards still carry a weapon in the form of a large flashlight, in Canada & Australia pepper spay and batons are common but guards are required to undergo training and have a license first, while in Japan, the security guards carry batons and/or sasumatas (a long pole with a u-shaped prong on the end).   

    Now, all that said, whether there's a weapon on the belf or not, the fact that the one thing tha IS on the belt appears to be a pouch for ammo magazines is rather perplexing, andthe  lack of a communications device (or even a whistle) to summon assistance is just strange.     

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,098
    edited October 24

    In our local small Mall in Kent (50 miles from central London) the security guard is there just to keep the peace and act as a 'body to do things'. He has a radio into the local shop radio net to report presence of known shoplifters to other shop holders, lock up, answer shopper questions and help old ladies. No torch, or visible weapon because he simply doesn't need one. He does wear a dark jacket with 'Security' embroidered on it and a peaked cap, that and his waistline, are the most imposing things about him. Anything worse than bad language or drunk & disorderly is rare - it's stopped by early intervention to deflect it long before it gets out of hand.

    Probably the most difficult person to handle in the mall as a little, elderly lady who talks 'AT' (not 'to') everyone who comes near her in the mall and takes zero notice of any responses, keeping talking AT her victim until they can escape from the mall entirely. The security guard has an indifferent level of success in stopping her from emptying the mall, because she ignores everything he says too.

    Regards,

    Richard

     

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  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,482

    Cybersox said:

    I remember getting on a shuttlebus at LAX many years ago and there were some elderly folks from New Zealand who were freaking out a bit about how many cops and security guards were roaming about with guns. 

    surprise Security guards with guns would freak me out, and I'm American. 

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,059

    I have that weird "dimension ratio(?!) where my inseam doesn't go well with my waist size. 

    It was the same whether I had a 32" waist or a 52" waist. Sometimes I bought pants that were way too tight.

    Now things are complicated by a large umbilical hernia. Going to get it fixed one day. Now I have several pairs of sweatpants that all look the same.

    Same goes for shirts. If I get them sized for the waist, the arms are several inches too long.

    Oh, I was a security guard back in the 1990s. My job was to be a "glorified scarecrow." 

    My duty assignment was across the street from where George Floyd was killed. But I was there decades before that tragedy happened.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Just remember, 'not the right proportions' is a modern problem from a rather historically recent thing of having standardized clothing off the rack.
    Men's clothing, mainly because of uniforms, became standardized in the mid to late 1800s, while women's clothes didn't get standardized until the 1950s-1960s.

    For MOST of human history, clothing was essentially tailored per person. 

     

    So if you ever feel shitty about being 'wrong sized,' that's a modern capitalist conceit. If you ever wonder why movie stars fit so well into everything, they are probably getting all their clothes tailored, even jeans and whatnot.

    If you ever want jeans to fit just right, you can get them tailored for $10-100 (depending).

     

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,265

    butterflyfish said:

    Cybersox said:

    I remember getting on a shuttlebus at LAX many years ago and there were some elderly folks from New Zealand who were freaking out a bit about how many cops and security guards were roaming about with guns. 

    surprise Security guards with guns would freak me out, and I'm American. 

    How about machine guns?  I had to fly into both Boston and Atlanta (from Houston) shortly after 911 and seeing all the troopers patroling the airports in full body armor with automatic weapons and some kind of grenade (probably gas or flash-bangs) was... different.  On the other hand, it wasn't as intense as when I was in Seoul working on a film at the time that they opened the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea for the first time and there were armed soldiers posted on every streetcorner downtown.  Of course, the fact that the entire city was in easy shelling distance certainly didn't help... 

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    Hmm, while I may agree with the excessive militarization of the American police is dreadful (I remember Officer Friendly) if we continue this discussion we will probably end up with the thread trimmed and closed. Which will defeat Ron's search for male clothing.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,265
    edited October 24

    Oso3D said:

    Just remember, 'not the right proportions' is a modern problem from a rather historically recent thing of having standardized clothing off the rack.
    Men's clothing, mainly because of uniforms, became standardized in the mid to late 1800s, while women's clothes didn't get standardized until the 1950s-1960s.

    For MOST of human history, clothing was essentially tailored per person. 

     

    So if you ever feel shitty about being 'wrong sized,' that's a modern capitalist conceit. If you ever wonder why movie stars fit so well into everything, they are probably getting all their clothes tailored, even jeans and whatnot.

    If you ever want jeans to fit just right, you can get them tailored for $10-100 (depending).

     

    All very true, and something I know all too well as a 6'1" male with a 30" inseam.  However, I think the thing that's getting sidestepped here is that there are specific cuts of clothing that are differently flattering/nonflattering depending on gender and fashion.  That's something that an outfit simply being "one size fits all" can't really address unless the vendor is willing to include different variants to cover the gaps... cases in point: women can wear shirts that are partially open down the front and still look business-respectable while a man can really only get away with a similar display of cleavage at a nightclub or the beach and are often forced to be completely buttoned up and wear ties, while high-heels are considered highly fashionable for women whill pretty much being a no go for most male fashions.  A good PA CAN adjust the clothing and produce differently tailored versions to work better with both genders, but it means more work on an item they're not going to be able to charge much more for.  

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  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,324

    barbult already solved the futile search problem here. There was another more comprehensive thread that got nuked, possibly because the banter turned to such topics as these.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,926

    memcneil70 said:

    Hmm, while I may agree with the excessive militarization of the American police is dreadful (I remember Officer Friendly) if we continue this discussion we will probably end up with the thread trimmed and closed. Which will defeat Ron's search for male clothing.

    Indeed.

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,482

    xyer0 said:

    barbult already solved the futile search problem here. There was another more comprehensive thread that got nuked, possibly because the banter turned to such topics as these.

    Wow. I own all but four of those outfits. blush

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    I own them all. Barbult was focused on a request for 'casual' clothing, so I went and looked at my business and casual clothing for G9M and with a few exceptions that are just too outre, here they are. My textures are with my main outfits so I was able to bring up them for the links easily and they are worth looking at. Often the main item might turn you off, but the textures show better how flexible the outfit is. I may not have bought a texture set so don't assume if I didn't list one that there is not one.

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-brz-mens-suits-and-poses-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-entrepreneur-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-entrepreneur-outfit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-basic-suit-outfits-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc25-mens-office-outfits-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mk-catering-waiter-uniform-for-genesis-9 - this outfit is perfect if you are cooking in the kitchen or take the apron off and it works as a general jeans and polo neck shirt outfit.

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-wayfarer-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/wayfarer-outfit-textures-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/bw-lucas-everyday-headwear-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/bw-lucas-everyday-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/chb-dforce-essential-sweatsuit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/chb-essential-sweatsuit-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-adventure-style-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-adventure-style-outfit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-canadian-tuxedo-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-canadian-tuxedo-outfit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-freeday-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-baseball-jacket-outfits-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-checked-shirt-outfits-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-mens-summer-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-turtleneck-sweater-outfits-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc25-shirt-jacket-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-kuj-outlaw-suit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-kuj-outlaw-suit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/kuj-fashion-jacket-suit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lazy-sunday-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/lazy-sunday-outfit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mens-modern-clothing-set-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mens-modern-clothing-set-for-genesis-9-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-pop-culture-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-pop-culture-outfit-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-savannah-style-duo-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-street-style-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-street-style-texture-add-on

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-strife-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-urban-society-outfit-for-genesis-9

    I was surprised to see no male formal wear for G9M, but we do have some excellent ones for G8M/G8.1M that convert over nicely.

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,151

    memcneil70 said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/chb-dforce-essential-sweatsuit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/chb-essential-sweatsuit-add-on

    Matt_Castle said these clothes require dForce to be used:

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9210391/#Comment_9210391

    I was surprised to see no male formal wear for G9M, but we do have some excellent ones for G8M/G8.1M that convert over nicely.

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mode-sauvage-for-genesis-9 maybe ?

    A bit more casual: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-gentleman-style-outfit-for-genesis-9

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    Regarding the sweatsuit, I would defer always to Matt_Castle for any outfit and its needs when using it on an extreme character. I am a rather vanilla user and just use characters and clothing as provided. I am lucky if I have time to do that. I actually don't think I have had a chance to test that outfit even. 

    You may have it right on the Mode Sauvage, the satin finish is rather to much for a staid office. Looking at the texture main promo, I am not even sure of what sex it was designed for now. I might move it to my 'Entertainment/Costumes' folder for promos even. I can see that one on a stage, but would a guy wear it in a public setting even at night? Except a wedding?

    The dForce Gentleman Style outfit I would say is like a woman's 'little black dress' - depends on what you dress it up with, or it can go from the office to the party by changing accessories/shoes. I am iffy about brown shoes with a fancy black silk-looking suit, with cuffed slacks. But I am a woman. Would that be okay with men who can afford a silk suit today? I would at least add socks to it as well. (I will be honest, no socks in a suit with any shoe style for a man looks just wrong to me. But I grew-up with an professional father who wore a suit and tie type civilian uniform.) Looking at the texture add-on shows more casual versions that puts it well into the office category.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574

    memcneil70 said:

    Regarding the sweatsuit, I would defer always to Matt_Castle for any outfit and its needs when using it on an extreme character. I am a rather vanilla user and just use characters and clothing as provided. I am lucky if I have time to do that. I actually don't think I have had a chance to test that outfit even. 

    You may have it right on the Mode Sauvage, the satin finish is rather to much for a staid office. Looking at the texture main promo, I am not even sure of what sex it was designed for now. I might move it to my 'Entertainment/Costumes' folder for promos even. I can see that one on a stage, but would a guy wear it in a public setting even at night? Except a wedding?

    The dForce Gentleman Style outfit I would say is like a woman's 'little black dress' - depends on what you dress it up with, or it can go from the office to the party by changing accessories/shoes. I am iffy about brown shoes with a fancy black silk-looking suit, with cuffed slacks. But I am a woman. Would that be okay with men who can afford a silk suit today? I would at least add socks to it as well. (I will be honest, no socks in a suit with any shoe style for a man looks just wrong to me. But I grew-up with an professional father who wore a suit and tie type civilian uniform.) Looking at the texture add-on shows more casual versions that puts it well into the office category.

    I think this one counts as formal wear:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-basic-suit-outfits-for-genesis-9

    There is also these:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-presidential-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-detective-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-padrino-outfit-for-genesis-9

     

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    Well any outfit can be adjusted with shaders. When I look at an outfit I take that into consideration. It is one reason I collect shaders like crazy. And I didn't include historical outfits but sure those are good. I didn't buy the presidential bundle. I think I bought one of the hairs only.

    IH Kang suits are good for including a white shirt and black suit version if not in the main picture, at least in the texture promos. The basic suit reminds me of one of the suits I bought for my son when he was going for his job interviews just before he graduated from university. His wardrobe at the time was jeans, sweats, tees and tennis shoes, and gym gear.

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,151

    memcneil70 said:

    You may have it right on the Mode Sauvage, the satin finish is rather to much for a staid office. Looking at the texture main promo, I am not even sure of what sex it was designed for now. I might move it to my 'Entertainment/Costumes' folder for promos even. I can see that one on a stage, but would a guy wear it in a public setting even at night? Except a wedding?

    While some of the textures feels more like something a high-end lawyer or something like that would wear, others don't seem to be out of place on, let's say, an engineer: I have a friend that would wear something like that (minus the gloves because as far as I know, he's not an assassin for hire laugh) to go to work.

    The Mode Sauvage outfit is included with Wukong, so I would say men (but funnily enough, if someone wants a commercial jet pilot uniform or a police officer uniform, both are included in Ashley 9 HD Addon bundle).

    On top of that, the buttons are placed as they should be for men (because apparently, buttons on shirt are on different side for men and women according to a recent discussion about the new shirt by Sue Yee), but Mada included lots of custom body morphs for all G9 core figures, men and women alike, which is likely the reason a man and a woman are shown on the main promo render for the textures pack. 

    Havos said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-detective-outfit-for-genesis-9

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-padrino-outfit-for-genesis-9

    Luthbel has one outfit for detective / old school plain cloth police officer:

    https://www.daz3d.com/eldritch-seeker-hd-for-genesis-9

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,281

    There is one thing I think we in the USA don't take into account when looking at outfits created by PAs that may be in humid, hot climates is that the accepted norms for fabric, styles, and sock wearing may differ from those climates where it is warm or hot only in the late spring to early fall and not humid. And it can snow and temps drop into the negatives the day after a day in the 70s.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,059

    Thanks for all the clothing suggestions. I've added all of the to my wishlist. 

    I'm amazed that I missed all of them while scrolling through everything. I think it's a good argument for DAZ to list male and female clothes separately/ That way my eyes won't glaze over while scrolling.

    I've seen dForce listed for many clothes. What does it mean to "use dForce?!"

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,738
    edited October 27

    Ron Knights said:

    I've seen dForce listed for many clothes. What does it mean to "use dForce?!"

    dForce is the name of Daz's physics engine. dForce cloth engine is used to simulate clothes more accurately, like Poser's cloth room, and there's a dForce hair engine too.

    Most dForce clothes can be considered hybrid dynamic clothes: they're conforming and often have adjustement morphs, and you can either use them "as is" or simulate them to get a more natural result. Some require simulation to work properly though.

    Post edited by Leana on
  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,059

    Leana, thanks for the explanation. I'm lazy, so I'll just use them "as is!"

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