There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 5

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  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,313
    edited October 2
    joanna said:

    It wasn't actual voting, but a survey sent out in the July 15 newsletter that you could have filled out about your preference of what characters you'd like to see. It wasn't a separate email, but part of the regular member emails, and Jack even mentioned it in the members' new releases thread to make sure no one missed it.

    Thanks for the info, but that's a very poor way to make sure no one misses something. I hadn't visited that thread in ages. I doubt that I'm the only one.

    As for the emails, they're so cookie cutter that scanning them for the weekly releases and freebies has become reflex. I'm not looking for links or anything else when I skim those ads - it's just a quick check of the products on offer then poof - deleted.
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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,004

    so members choice not people's choice

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,239

    It's pure speculation that anyone actually voted to get anything to do with that bundle. Doesn't matter, anyway. Daz and PAs have been over the same piece of ground so many times now that it's likely impossible for them to come up with anything fresh, new, not done a thousand times before.I find Audrey utterly boring and uninspired, an obvious pass.

  • edited October 2

    Assorted comments:

    1. Ah the eternal extensions. The only thing different about it this year was the total lack (AFAIK) of posts about if/when/how long any extension might be. That's how routine it has become.

    2. So Daz really did a poll? Silly me, I assumed the process was eyeball sales numbers, then say "Lots of our valued customers buy young white woman characters, except for the ones who don't. So YWW#478 it is, amirite? Oh, yeah, we still need a legacy name." I will pass.

    4. Rant related to bundle: Skirts/dresses (not even modest ones) are not useful attire for library work. When we're not on a kickstool shelving/straightening/dusting books, we're digging in closets finding Stuff For Latest Activity/Event, or maybe sitting criss-cross-applesauce at Story Time. I don't think I've seen our director dress up  more than nice pants & top, even for things like board meetings.

    And seriously, folks, sexual harassment from patrons happens A Lot, especially to female presenting staff, and it doesn't stop at verbal harassment. (I volunteer at our library.)

    4.Premier free bundle selection has partially changed: Kiki, Lunardo, Thandey, Uksn, Toshi, Zahara, Neanderthal, Mercilus, Xola, Karmen & Amelia. Glad I got the 2 troll bundles 9/30, since they moved on in search of...whatever trolls crave. Gold, dwarves, hobbits maybe? (Well I got one set as my free bundle, and the other for $8 & change with GT & tokens)

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,746

    well, disappointed today, with the character and the sale extension. I'm ready for a change in sales ... bring on the + sale before my membership runs out. + products are getting stale as will, over and over wooden stuff, plants, and shaders. Yeah, I'm getting old and cranky. 
    Speaking of characters, there are so many versions of humans that aren't white perfect women that could be modeled. 

  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178

    doubledeviant said:

    joanna said:

    It wasn't actual voting, but a survey sent out in the July 15 newsletter that you could have filled out about your preference of what characters you'd like to see. It wasn't a separate email, but part of the regular member emails, and Jack even mentioned it in the members' new releases thread to make sure no one missed it.

    Thanks for the info, but that's a very poor way to make sure no one misses something. I hadn't visited that thread in ages. I doubt that I'm the only one.


    As for the emails, they're so cookie cutter that scanning them for the weekly releases and freebies has become reflex. I'm not looking for links or anything else when I skim those ads - it's just a quick check of the products on offer then poof - deleted.

    While I can understand the sentiment of having missed the opportunity to voice your opinions, there's no way Daz would be able to notify all the users they want to be notified:

    "I don't read newsletters!" "I don't check everything on the rotating banner!" "I don't visit the store daily, so I'll miss the sales page!" "I don't check forums/subforums/particular thread!" "Orange banners don't display properly on my device!"

    And so on. Also, it's not really Daz's job to "make sure no one misses something." And, the same goes for us, since we as users, don't have to participate in everything Daz offers which is clearly visible in the sales when some people had the best PA sale ever and some picked up a $5 item during the whole month and that was it. And this month, it might be completely opposite.

  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178

    Torquinox said:

    I find Audrey utterly boring and uninspired, an obvious pass.

    Apparently, not only you. Audrey 9 doesn't even have her own thread on the forums yet.

  • WolfwoodWolfwood Posts: 827

    infernal said:

    A heads up about the Flashback Bundle Deal in today's sale.  Even if you were already buying one of the Audrey 9 bundles, you might want to check if the Flashback deal is worth using.  The FBD bundles are all G3 starter bundles.  But IF you have the GT + orange banner coupon + 8 tokens, you can get the Pro version of same bundle today for near $7. Only Premier pays less than that for the FBD, but $1 to go up to Pro is still worth it probably. Of course it all depends on what discounts you have available.

    This is not a coding error at DAZ. It's just a particular combination of factors creating a weird contradiction today.  Hope this helps someone.

    EDIT: I just noticed that the $7 for Pro may be too low (I already had 1 item in the Pro bundle I tested). I think just under $8 is the pristine cost.  Also, the Star 2.0 starter bundle isn't DO, so it wouldn't be cheaper to get Star 2.0 Pro today, making it perhaps the best FBD offer.

    That is a good heads up.

    I think the offers/prices contradictions have been all over daz for a while, and this week in particular making items in the 'Wishing well' more expensive than if they were left alone. BTW, i don't know wich bundle you tried, but being premier and with only 5 tokens i can get several G3 pro bundles to $5.54 without owning a single item in them. With 8 tokens i think it can go as low as $4 and Only buy in is purchasing a GT. They want to charge $6+ for the starters version after spending a lot more in the new character? I think 'contradiction' is an understatement for today and i will censor myself from using other adjetives.

    What also bother me is that lack of proper offers on Core New releases in general. Even with the Pro version contradiction, G3 starters for $6/$8.....really? While with G8 new realeases we used to get previous G8 pro bundles after stacking discounts for similar price of these G3 starters. And on purchasing something the new bundles also got some G3 bundle for free and/or more of those bundles for $2 or $3. G9 new releases should be targeting cheap G8, but i think daz is really forcing the 'hide G8 as much as possible to not compete with G9'.

     

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,760
    edited October 2

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    4. Rant related to bundle: Skirts/dresses (not even modest ones) are useful attire for library work. When we're not on a kickstool shelving/straightening/dusting books, we're digging in closets finding Stuff For Latest Activity/Event, or maybe sitting criss-cross-applesauce at Story Time. I don't think I've seen our director dress up  more than nice pants & top, even for things like board meetings.

    And seriously, folks, sexual harassment from patrons happens A Lot, especially to female presenting staff, and it doesn't stop at verbal harassment. (I volunteer at our library.)

    I stand in solidarity. Way too many people seem to think that femmes in helping/service professions all secretly want to be porn actresses. It'd be great it people stopped encouraging the idea so said femmes could just do their jobs in peace.

    ETA: Yes, I wear glasses. No, I don't wear them to look bookish or naughty or sexy-intellectual. I wear them because I'm blind as a bat without them and don't like contacts. It has nothing to do with trying to attract the male gaze. Really.

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  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178

    SilverGirl said:

    ETA: Yes, I wear glasses. No, I don't wear them to look bookish or naughty or sexy-intellectual. I wear them because I'm blind as a bat without them and don't like contacts. It has nothing to do with trying to attract the male gaze. Really.

    Yup, same here. People also forget that when you're badly near-sighed and have to wear glasses, the lenses are so thick that they make your eyes look smaller. Not exactly something that will make you look more attractive.

    One of my biggest pet peeves in movies is when a character takes off the glasses of their love interest and then just tosses them to the side or something to engage in some kissing or other romantic stuff. There's no way a person actually wearing glasses would ever allow that and they go into that one spot where we always put them so that we can find them. And partners know that too. My husband always takes extra care around my glasses. As a side note, the best depiction of a near-sighed person, even if exaggerrated to the absurd to fit the tone of the movie was, surprisingly, in a French movie, Delicatessen.

  • XiousDsXiousDs Posts: 553
    I think a true daz elemental character would be cool where she or he can be like water, fire, earth, air, etc. Daz should hit up more stuff in the fantasy genres to provide more of something there is less of. Maybe look at a few of their PAs like Rawart and Oso and make some top notch characters using them as inspiration for something different? How many slime people has actual Daz put forth as a primary character? We got the lion folk, but we have all kinds of other folk that daz could have some really cool things made with. We have had some really cool succubus and vampire ones, but there is so much more that could be explored and potentially taken to the next level, like the dryad character that was released a while back. But not only is she meh theme, she is 4 items for $100, she does not even include the expressions in her base set and she is not triggering an awesome deal. Maybe if I could trigger any gen 8 pro sets for $5, but not gen 3s. On the big sales I pass on so many gen 3 pro sets I could get for around $3.
  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,573

    joanna said:

    doubledeviant said:

    "You Voted, We Built It!"

    No, I didn't. I wasn't invited to vote for anything despite being Daz+ and receiving Daz marketing emails on a regular basis.

    It wasn't actual voting, but a survey sent out in the July 15 newsletter that you could have filled out about your preference of what characters you'd like to see. It wasn't a separate email, but part of the regular member emails, and Jack even mentioned it in the members' new releases thread to make sure no one missed it.

     As a side note, though, I'm somewhat disappointed if this is truly what people voted for, because we got exactly what we've been getting, just slightly younger-looking. I guess women over 25 and under 55 (thanks Feng, for at least those +55) don't exist in Dazland or at least in people's votes.

    If it was the survey were we got to express a preference for next male and female base characters, then for the female I voted for a 30-40s woman. Looks like we were out voted by those wanting yet another low 20s girl.

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,760

    joanna said:

    SilverGirl said:

    ETA: Yes, I wear glasses. No, I don't wear them to look bookish or naughty or sexy-intellectual. I wear them because I'm blind as a bat without them and don't like contacts. It has nothing to do with trying to attract the male gaze. Really.

    Yup, same here. People also forget that when you're badly near-sighed and have to wear glasses, the lenses are so thick that they make your eyes look smaller. Not exactly something that will make you look more attractive.

    One of my biggest pet peeves in movies is when a character takes off the glasses of their love interest and then just tosses them to the side or something to engage in some kissing or other romantic stuff. There's no way a person actually wearing glasses would ever allow that and they go into that one spot where we always put them so that we can find them. And partners know that too. My husband always takes extra care around my glasses.

    Yes!! Anyone who does not Respect the Glasses would immediately get shown the door. Heck, when Teen Kiddo was small, if I asked them to grab my glasses for me, they'd bring them back like they were holding a bomb that was about to detonate. They probably would've yelled at anyone who treated my glasses so poorly. And for all his faults and everything else of mine he destroyed, my ex still never stooped so low as to manhandle my spectacles. There are LINES.

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,455

    SilverGirl said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    4. Rant related to bundle: Skirts/dresses (not even modest ones) are useful attire for library work. When we're not on a kickstool shelving/straightening/dusting books, we're digging in closets finding Stuff For Latest Activity/Event, or maybe sitting criss-cross-applesauce at Story Time. I don't think I've seen our director dress up  more than nice pants & top, even for things like board meetings.

    And seriously, folks, sexual harassment from patrons happens A Lot, especially to female presenting staff, and it doesn't stop at verbal harassment. (I volunteer at our library.)

    I stand in solidarity. Way too many people seem to think that femmes in helping/service professions all secretly want to be porn actresses. It'd be great it people stopped encouraging the idea so said femmes could just do their jobs in peace.

    ETA: Yes, I wear glasses. No, I don't wear them to look bookish or naughty or sexy-intellectual. I wear them because I'm blind as a bat without them and don't like contacts. It has nothing to do with trying to attract the male gaze. Really.

    Very sorry to hear your experiences, but good of you to bring them up, because people still tend to believe that 'we all know it's just in the movies, it has no influence on how we actually behave'. Yeah no, it does. 

  • RiescoRiesco Posts: 75

    XiousDs said:

    I think a true daz elemental character would be cool where she or he can be like water, fire, earth, air, etc. Daz should hit up more stuff in the fantasy genres to provide more of something there is less of. Maybe look at a few of their PAs like Rawart and Oso and make some top notch characters using them as inspiration for something different? How many slime people has actual Daz put forth as a primary character? We got the lion folk, but we have all kinds of other folk that daz could have some really cool things made with. We have had some really cool succubus and vampire ones, but there is so much more that could be explored and potentially taken to the next level, like the dryad character that was released a while back. But not only is she meh theme, she is 4 items for $100, she does not even include the expressions in her base set and she is not triggering an awesome deal. Maybe if I could trigger any gen 8 pro sets for $5, but not gen 3s. On the big sales I pass on so many gen 3 pro sets I could get for around $3.

    I completely agree, we definitely need more variety, and especially more standout characters like Tara Succubus, Sylvia Dryad, Lahr, and Lycan. Those are the kinds of releases that genuinely excite me. It would also be great to see some of the classic, iconic characters reimagined for G9, like the Tree Giant, or entirely new creations inspired by the endless number of humanoid beast races like lizards, kobolds, bears...

    I'm not sure why we keep seeing so many similar looking characters, like Brianna, Lauryn, Madison, and Audrey, as they often don't add much that's new or different from what's already available. Some of them even feel a bit rushed. For example, Madison seems to lack detail without the base G9 8K maps. In contrast, characters like Bishop and Asha clearly had real passion behind them, they stand out.

  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178

    Havos said:

    If it was the survey were we got to express a preference for next male and female base characters, then for the female I voted for a 30-40s woman. Looks like we were out voted by those wanting yet another low 20s girl.

    Yup. Apparently. I even said in my survey that I don't care about ethinicity as long as I can get some decent-looking (i.e. not a sexy bombshell) females in their 30-40s. You can only get so far with aging morphs when your base is an almost undiscernable crowd of same-looking barely-20s.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,263
    edited October 2

    joanna said:

    Torquinox said:

    I find Audrey utterly boring and uninspired, an obvious pass.

    Apparently, not only you. Audrey 9 doesn't even have her own thread on the forums yet.

    I started one a little while ago, but as of this posting there have been no responses. The thing is, she's not a bad figure and I actually like her appearance... but there's no denying that she's fairly generic ion a line that's already full of generic females..

    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178
    edited October 2

    Cybersox said:

    joanna said:

    Torquinox said:

    I find Audrey utterly boring and uninspired, an obvious pass.

    Apparently, not only you. Audrey 9 doesn't even have her own thread on the forums yet.

    I started one a little while ago, but as of this posting there have been no responses. The thing is, she's not a bad figure and I actually like her appearance... but there's no denying that she's fairly generic ion a line that's already full of generic females..

    I saw the thread and responded in appreciation to your effort. The only thing notable about Aubrey is that Daz managed to make a generic female look even more generic than usual. But at least because she looks so young, her, ekhm, features aren't overly, well, robust.

    Post edited by joanna on
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,263

    Riesco said:

    XiousDs said:

    I think a true daz elemental character would be cool where she or he can be like water, fire, earth, air, etc. Daz should hit up more stuff in the fantasy genres to provide more of something there is less of. Maybe look at a few of their PAs like Rawart and Oso and make some top notch characters using them as inspiration for something different? How many slime people has actual Daz put forth as a primary character? We got the lion folk, but we have all kinds of other folk that daz could have some really cool things made with. We have had some really cool succubus and vampire ones, but there is so much more that could be explored and potentially taken to the next level, like the dryad character that was released a while back. But not only is she meh theme, she is 4 items for $100, she does not even include the expressions in her base set and she is not triggering an awesome deal. Maybe if I could trigger any gen 8 pro sets for $5, but not gen 3s. On the big sales I pass on so many gen 3 pro sets I could get for around $3.

    I completely agree, we definitely need more variety, and especially more standout characters like Tara Succubus, Sylvia Dryad, Lahr, and Lycan. Those are the kinds of releases that genuinely excite me. It would also be great to see some of the classic, iconic characters reimagined for G9, like the Tree Giant, or entirely new creations inspired by the endless number of humanoid beast races like lizards, kobolds, bears...

    I'm not sure why we keep seeing so many similar looking characters, like Brianna, Lauryn, Madison, and Audrey, as they often don't add much that's new or different from what's already available. Some of them even feel a bit rushed. For example, Madison seems to lack detail without the base G9 8K maps. In contrast, characters like Bishop and Asha clearly had real passion behind them, they stand out.

    I've always assumed that the reason we see so many generic characters is that DAZ has become obsessed with cranking out new base figures at a crazy rate, and as a result a significant percentage of the base figures that we're seeing are being done by PAs who normally make exactly this type of female characters anyway since, as is no secret, that's actually what sells best here, and they're all automatically targeting what they know people are more likely to buy.  

  • Thanks to everyone who supported my library rant. To be clear, I've never thankfully experienced harassment at our library (a small rural one), nor AFAIK has anyone else there. (Experienced/witnessed harassment at other jobs though.) I just know it happens and is a real safety concern. When I worked for a while at a much larger library one of The Unbreakable Rules was that at closing all the staff left at the same time - meaning, go out the door and to our cars as one group - in case someone was hiding, waiting to accost one of us. It could be any sort of criminal of course, but the branch manager specifically mentioned the possibility of a patron obsessed with a staffer.

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,313
    edited October 2
    joanna said:

    While I can understand the sentiment of having missed the opportunity to voice your opinions, there's no way Daz would be able to notify all the users they want to be notified:

    "I don't read newsletters!" "I don't check everything on the rotating banner!" "I don't visit the store daily, so I'll miss the sales page!" "I don't check forums/subforums/particular thread!" "Orange banners don't display properly on my device!"

    And so on. Also, it's not really Daz's job to "make sure no one misses something." And, the same goes for us, since we as users, don't have to participate in everything Daz offers which is clearly visible in the sales when some people had the best PA sale ever and some picked up a $5 item during the whole month and that was it. And this month, it might be completely opposite.

    For an infrequent special event like a survey, the baseline notification should be a dedicated email with an obvious title, something along the lines of "Take the Daz survey!" And for surveys in particular, participation is key - the better the sample size, the better the representation. Daz should absolutely be interested in making sure the relevant audience doesn't miss it.

    Anyone still have the weekly ad that mentioned it? I'm curious how it looked. July was a very busy month for me, but I don't recall anything out-of-the-ordinary from Daz.
    Post edited by doubledeviant on
  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,178

    doubledeviant said:

    For an infrequent special event like a survey, the baseline notification should be a dedicated email with an obvious title, something along the lines of "Take the Daz survey!" And for surveys in particular, participation is key - the better the sample size, the better the representation. Daz should absolutely be interested in making sure the relevant audience doesn't miss it.

    I see.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,239
    edited October 2

    I don't think it matters who voted for what. I suspect Audrey 9 and bundle would have come out anyway.

    Post edited by Torquinox on
  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,455

    Oh dammit, now they've gone and re-set the outlet prices after they were a bit lower earlier today - I thought because of DAZ being in the FA category. Don't they realize how much trust they loose each time this is done? I couldn't finish the purchase earlier. Now I'm kicking stuff out of the cart to get the same end price. Where's the sense in that?

  • Riesco said:

    XiousDs said:

    I think a true daz elemental character would be cool where she or he can be like water, fire, earth, air, etc. Daz should hit up more stuff in the fantasy genres to provide more of something there is less of. Maybe look at a few of their PAs like Rawart and Oso and make some top notch characters using them as inspiration for something different? How many slime people has actual Daz put forth as a primary character? We got the lion folk, but we have all kinds of other folk that daz could have some really cool things made with. We have had some really cool succubus and vampire ones, but there is so much more that could be explored and potentially taken to the next level, like the dryad character that was released a while back. But not only is she meh theme, she is 4 items for $100, she does not even include the expressions in her base set and she is not triggering an awesome deal. Maybe if I could trigger any gen 8 pro sets for $5, but not gen 3s. On the big sales I pass on so many gen 3 pro sets I could get for around $3.

    I completely agree, we definitely need more variety, and especially more standout characters like Tara Succubus, Sylvia Dryad, Lahr, and Lycan. Those are the kinds of releases that genuinely excite me. It would also be great to see some of the classic, iconic characters reimagined for G9, like the Tree Giant, or entirely new creations inspired by the endless number of humanoid beast races like lizards, kobolds, bears...

    I'm not sure why we keep seeing so many similar looking characters, like Brianna, Lauryn, Madison, and Audrey, as they often don't add much that's new or different from what's already available. Some of them even feel a bit rushed. For example, Madison seems to lack detail without the base G9 8K maps. In contrast, characters like Bishop and Asha clearly had real passion behind them, they stand out.

    Speaking for myself, I keep hoping for a realistic baby, toddler and small child. Yes, I have every age-related morph there is for G9, but creating a baby from an adult figure is a big ask.

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,760

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

    Speaking for myself, I keep hoping for a realistic baby, toddler and small child. Yes, I have every age-related morph there is for G9, but creating a baby from an adult figure is a big ask.

    +1000

    Emphasis on realistic. And with an understanding that if it can sit up and walk, it is NOT a newborn. 

  • SilverGirl said:

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

    Speaking for myself, I keep hoping for a realistic baby, toddler and small child. Yes, I have every age-related morph there is for G9, but creating a baby from an adult figure is a big ask.

    +1000

    Emphasis on realistic. And with an understanding that if it can sit up and walk, it is NOT a newborn. 

    laugh Ah, so you too have contemplated the G8 baby ...

    Is an issue for my story, which involves ... families. With kids. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,760

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

    SilverGirl said:

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

    Speaking for myself, I keep hoping for a realistic baby, toddler and small child. Yes, I have every age-related morph there is for G9, but creating a baby from an adult figure is a big ask.

    +1000

    Emphasis on realistic. And with an understanding that if it can sit up and walk, it is NOT a newborn. 

    laugh Ah, so you too have contemplated the G8 baby ...

    Is an issue for my story, which involves ... families. With kids. 

    Same.

    I eventually cracked and got Caryn when she was super cheap with the thought that maybe if I messed with sliders and just didn't do anything front-facing, it could pass in a pinch until something better came along. 

    I haven't actually done it yet. I keep hoping something will come out so I don't have to.

    But I guess since you can't sell a baby with Rule 34 marketing, Daz figures there's no point? I mean, really, otherwise why wouldn't there be one? It's such an obvious gap!

  • XiousDsXiousDs Posts: 553
    joanna said:

    While I can understand the sentiment of having missed the opportunity to voice your opinions, there's no way Daz would be able to notify all the users they want to be notified:

    "I don't read newsletters!" "I don't check everything on the rotating banner!" "I don't visit the store daily, so I'll miss the sales page!" "I don't check forums/subforums/particular thread!" "Orange banners don't display properly on my device!"

    And so on. Also, it's not really Daz's job to "make sure no one misses something." And, the same goes for us, since we as users, don't have to participate in everything Daz offers which is clearly visible in the sales when some people had the best PA sale ever and some picked up a $5 item during the whole month and that was it. And this month, it might be completely opposite.

    For an infrequent special event like a survey, the baseline notification should be a dedicated email with an obvious title, something along the lines of "Take the Daz survey!" And for surveys in particular, participation is key - the better the sample size, the better the representation. Daz should absolutely be interested in making sure the relevant audience doesn't miss it.

    Anyone still have the weekly ad that mentioned it? I'm curious how it looked. July was a very busy month for me, but I don't recall anything out-of-the-ordinary from Daz.
    Anything that's being voted on, if Daz really cares, should be a banner and sit in your daz messages for like a month. If someone has not voted via a link in their daz messages on the site, we'll too bad it was sitting as a banner and then in your daz messages mail on the site for a month. It feels to me like Daz does not use their own messages system enough for communications other than just here is your special today coupon code.
  • XiousDsXiousDs Posts: 553

    Riesco said:

    XiousDs said:

    I think a true daz elemental character would be cool where she or he can be like water, fire, earth, air, etc. Daz should hit up more stuff in the fantasy genres to provide more of something there is less of. Maybe look at a few of their PAs like Rawart and Oso and make some top notch characters using them as inspiration for something different? How many slime people has actual Daz put forth as a primary character? We got the lion folk, but we have all kinds of other folk that daz could have some really cool things made with. We have had some really cool succubus and vampire ones, but there is so much more that could be explored and potentially taken to the next level, like the dryad character that was released a while back. But not only is she meh theme, she is 4 items for $100, she does not even include the expressions in her base set and she is not triggering an awesome deal. Maybe if I could trigger any gen 8 pro sets for $5, but not gen 3s. On the big sales I pass on so many gen 3 pro sets I could get for around $3.

    I completely agree, we definitely need more variety, and especially more standout characters like Tara Succubus, Sylvia Dryad, Lahr, and Lycan. Those are the kinds of releases that genuinely excite me. It would also be great to see some of the classic, iconic characters reimagined for G9, like the Tree Giant, or entirely new creations inspired by the endless number of humanoid beast races like lizards, kobolds, bears...

    I'm not sure why we keep seeing so many similar looking characters, like Brianna, Lauryn, Madison, and Audrey, as they often don't add much that's new or different from what's already available. Some of them even feel a bit rushed. For example, Madison seems to lack detail without the base G9 8K maps. In contrast, characters like Bishop and Asha clearly had real passion behind them, they stand out.

    Speaking for myself, I keep hoping for a realistic baby, toddler and small child. Yes, I have every age-related morph there is for G9, but creating a baby from an adult figure is a big ask.

    I would support that addition. With the age morphs and a slight application of face neutralizer you can get some decent young versions of characters to around age 5, but a consistent character much younger than that is pretty problematic.
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