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I thought GoFigure was defunct, too, due to the lack of website updates and lack new products. This spoiler alert was a surprise, for sure. I'm hesitant, though, based on the frustrating lack of documentation on past products like Graphmate and Keymate, and even Animate2.
Well I'll be glad if GoFigure owns then Mimic Live too and adds a voice to text conversion and emotion editor to Mimic Live / aniMate so one can drop emotions on the speech timeline with the text scrolling like a Dow ticker for each character and do animation blending so that we are able to script plays and save them in theatre style that way (for those of you that can remember all the way back to language class - I admit I barely can).
I also own a significant number of GoFigure's aniBlock packs and was going to buy them all but with no utility to convert the aniMate animations I own to Genesis 3 characters there is no motive to buy those and less motive the re-purchase the the same aniBlocks I have again in Genesis 3 format.
And as a still-staunch user of G1, and an only occasional user of G2's, I have to say thank you thank you many times thank you!!!
Without conversion utilities, I don't buy the new stuff at all. :) I don't buy G3 items to use on G3. I buy to convert them to G1 abd G2's. LOL
I like the G3's as figures go. But I don't like most of the skins out there for them, and they lack most of what I'd need for story illustration purposes, where maintaining a consistent appearance is very necessary. So I am almost a *guaranteed* sell on ANY conversion utility that will allow for backwards compatibility with the newer clothing items. Without those conversion utilities, vendors can guarantee that I will NOT buy anything they make for new figures, no matter HOW nice it is or how much I like it. :)
Maybe it's because I am no longer Daz's target/ideal customer, but Raw, you are one vendor whose products I absolutely love - and I stopped buying entirely once you abandoned G1 and G2 items. Your work is wonderful, but you totally lost an otherwise dedicated customer once you abandoned the older figures.
Now before I get growled at. :) I will say that I still have many of those newer items on my wishlist. But I am holding out for a (hopefully) G3 update to GenX, because I just won't use those wonderful creations without being able to convert them for use on G1. As such... Ibuyin stopped buying ever since you abandoned the older figures. And it's not just you, either. There's a lot of vendors who I have ceased buying from either entirely or almost entirely because I just do not have any use for the G3's in their current state. I am a story illustration artist. G3 lacks almost 80% of what I would need in order to use the figures.
I certainly can't blame any vendor for creating on the products they know will sell the best - or the figures they most enjoy creating for - but I think it's a little unfair to whitewash all customers under such a broad statement. I am not in the camp of "new is always best." Not by a long shot. I did not purchase even a single G3 clothing item until I had a conversion utility to fit it to my G1's and G2's (thank you Sickle, and thank you Valzheimer!)
I understand that I am in the minority. But if I can't keep a consistent appearance of my characters from one generation to the newest, then no matter how nice I think the new figure is, I do NOT buy.
And I sure don't buy just because a figure is "newest, latest, greatest." Are the G3's good? Yes! They are. But I can't create my OC's on them so they have zero marketability for me, and I only purchase products that I can backwards convert.
Again, I know I am in the minority, and I know I am not any longer Daz's ideal type of customer. :) I just felt the need to comment, because this remark does not hold true for every customer.
Peace. :)
Pretty sure Daz sees every customer is an ideal customer. PA's (because the majority of product is produced by PA's and not Daz or even commissioned by Daz before it is done) also have preferences and I think sometimes that isn't always the same as some customers preferences.
I think you have to look at it from an over all customer view not an individual customer, more customer want an use the new figures then there is no argument you support the figure that most customers want. I have never found a system where you can please all the people all the time, it can't be done. We vendors have limited resources and time, so we have to put it where it benefits more people. I understand where you are coming from!
RawArt; I think that 'newest' doesn't automatically mean 'best'. E.g. in the food sector, 'new' means to me something like a health warning… ;-)
But of course there is advancement. Genesis 3 bends and poses flawlessly; better than Genesis 2. As a customer, I don't understand why people still use a somewhat outdated figure like V4. In most cases I can easily see if a figure is V4 or Genesis. Even if heavy clothing covers the armpits, and a long skirt hides the knees… On the other hand, everything comes with a price. The V4 face morphs are still a tad better than those of the three Genesis generations. If I did mostly portraits I think I would use V4 more often.
they will make a shiny new animate3 and make us all happy (just dreaming)
A lot of us have spent a fortune on accessories for V4 and Genesis, and not all of us are into the "As realistic as possible at any price" school. As long as V4 and Genesis do what we want them to do, they're good enough. (I just dumped my Win ME computer because the 400mhz processor died. Until then, it did what I needed it to do, so why upgrade? And I was able to sell the memory chips for more than they cost me!) That's the philosophy a lot of us have, no need to move up if the products that we've already spent so much on will do the job. The characters in my webcomic are V4, Gen, and Gen2. There are no Gen3 equivalents.
Besides, accessories for V4 especially are so cheap now!
You are definitely right - it all depends on the purpose. That's why I said I would use V4 if I did more portraits. There are many face morph features I am missing in all Genesis versions; e.g. the possibility to change the face size, the length of the face, or small things like the lip crease. Newer V4 skins are also great, and as long as I don't need the body/poses, the figure is ok. But let's face the facts: V4/M4 bodies and poses by far don't meet the standard of all three Genesis generations, and the workflow is much, much better in Genesis, esp. G3. I like and use all Genesis versions - each generation for its special purpose. G1 or G2 have great characters and base figures, and if you need monsters and fairytale creatures, they are indispensable. Too bad that G3 concentrates on the human/realistic aspect.
Need no, but it is more convenient; I made a few of my own, and they are available on my Deviant Art site. http://fav.me/d97zi30
Hi while in general that is good news,
one must understand that frankly a bunch of new canned
(likely sexy walk) anibloks from gofigure
will do very little to increase my interest in the genesis 3 Figures
as I use multiple solutions for customized character motion creation
and RETARGET them to genesis 1& 2 .
I have no plans to upgrade from Iclone 5.5 pro at this point
and G3 is not compatible with the built in "Daz genesis " retrgeting
template in IClone 3DXchange pro.
In some cases it is easier to create motion with
a basic,simple poser character and use Mcj's free motion retargeting script
to transfer the motion to a genesis figure in DS.
For example I use natural motions Endorphin for my Dynamic ragdoll
animations and get very realistic results that export 100 percent poser compatible BVH files
that work with Mike& vicky 1,2,3,4 and Genesis 1,2.
But not with G3,
Add to that that I am a sci fi/comic book guy
who has zero interest in Northern European runway models
in my renders but indeed use alot of the Aliens/Creature morphs for G1-2,
and I have to conlude that G3 is literally a labor intensive,& $costly$$ step backwards for my usage overall.
I bought V7 and the morphs, and Paolo's V7 settings for Reality 4 which are on sale for $2.99 right now over on his site.
I probably wont be able to do too much until the weekend.
any conversions for V4 hair/clothing for V7 out there?
To my eye, G2F is superior in the area where the legs meet the pelvis, and their interaction with the groin. G3F is a bit weird there. Seems a bit pervy to point it out, but it becomes pretty obvious if you Google/Bing pages of "bikini bottom" images. Did I mention pervy?
I do like the G3 faces, although I'd prefer to see a bit more variation before taking the plunge.
The "free" V7 and the G3F morphs and expressions offers DAZ Steve made (that expire at the end of today, I think), are very tempting indeed. But not quite as cheap as not buying.
A couple of hours to decide...
For three years we've done product showcasing over in my Art Studio thread, and while we try to show some of the latest products, in the past year, I'd have to guess Genesis 2 and Genesis are still probably 70% (probably even 75%) of the posts regarding characters. AMAZING characters. Generation 4 has a wonderful variety of skins and that has been showcased by putting those skins on Genesis 2 (and some for Genesis.) I'd say the same applies to clothing also. The other 30% which is Genesis 3 is often when they are newly released, and having some males in there helped that statistic. There's so many great characters in Genesis and Genesis 2 that getting more clothing for them, and hair, would be a welcome thing for many of us IMO.
I really appreciate the variety our vendors give us. Kudos!
I find that the "Cyborg" models sell the best. ;)
This product includes an autofit clone for V4 and other figures: http://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s
Using them with SY's projection templates usually gives good results: http://www.daz3d.com/sy-ultra-templates-for-genesis-3-female-s
Though for hair good old "manual positionning then parenting to the head" usually works pretty well.
thanks!
Sorry for pretty much posting and going MIA, getting ready to move to a new state next month so things are a bit crazy.
@Fisty @SickleYield I'm pretty interested to know what the major rigging differences are, or what is it about G3 that makes it more difficult?
JCMs and the lack of bulge mapping are the difference. With G2 everything in the rigging was the weight mapping including the bend fixes in the form of bulge maps. Now with G3 the weight mapping does 2/3 (maybe) of the work and the rest is done with JCMs... almost every joint, and almost every dirrection. That would be fine if they auto transfered to the clothes well but anyone who's used an unsupported character shape on clothing knows that process is far from perfect, and a lot of times it's not even close to ok. For a clothing item in the store it needs to be almost perfect. Weight maps (and bulge maps) copy over with the transfer utility much more smoothly than the JCMs transfer - and they are >MUCH< easier to smooth out and fix.
Case in point.. a couple days ago I rigged a little top for G3, just like a tube-top with spagetti straps.. I had to make 19 JCMs and 10 controled JCM combination morphs for fixes when joint rotations were dialed at the same time. That's hours and hours of messing about making custom morphs that I could have done in half an hour with the weight map smoothing brush in DS if it was for G2.
Oh, wow, that sounds unpleasant as all hell. Thanks for the info!