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stick with 4.8 or go to 4.9 whats y'alls plan and why?

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924
    edited January 2016
    Chohole said:
    Novica said:

    I have a question. I am well versed in DIM, I love how I can easily go to the "i" and click it, going straight to the ReadMe and seeing where a product is located in the studio. The DIM also has three sections, and I love the one showing me what's installed. 

    Do Connect installs have a list like that? Looking in the studio at what is grayed out and what isn't, is not going to work as a systematic approach to telling me in list form what is installed.

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/interface/panes/smart_content/products_page/start
     

    That page is sitting there and spinning and spinning. Now it shows the cloudfare is working but can't get to the site.  A simple yes or no please, does it have a list or not?

    Error 524 Ray ID: 26ae189153383810 • 2016-01-26 17:58:22 UTC

    A timeout occurred

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  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,638
    Crescent said:

    I moved to 4.9 (though I still have the 4.8 installer if necessary) because there are significant improvements to render times.

    I don't use DIM because it doesn't work properly (it downloads every single .dsx file every time I connect, which is a huge waste of bandwidth and my ISP keeps flirting with data caps) and it's clumsy as he--.  I refuse to use DAZ Connect on my Production machine.  It screws up my organization and workflow.  I have my stuff organized the way I want it and I do NOT want to have everything stuffed in one random location because DAZ says so.  As soon as I installed 4.9 I ripped out the CMS DB (again) and I went into my firewall settings and blocked every connection listed as DAZ.  I'm hoping that keeps the Big Brother at bay.

    This is a great idea for those who don't use CMS or smart content and don't want anything to do with connect. Thanks for heads up. I have also heard on the forum that if you install to a different hard drive instead of default C: You can keep both 4.8 and 4.9. I will stick with 4.8 and 4.9 beta till the bugs are ironed out.

  • LindseyLindsey Posts: 2,008
    Novica said:
    thd777 said:
    Novica said:

    I have a question. I am well versed in DIM, I love how I can easily go to the "i" and click it, going straight to the ReadMe and seeing where a product is located in the studio. The DIM also has three sections, and I love the one showing me what's installed. 

    Do Connect installs have a list like that? Looking in the studio at what is grayed out and what isn't, is not going to work as a systematic approach to telling me in list form what is installed.

    Pretty much yes to all. You have different tabs in Connect that can show "available", "updated", "installed" content (manually installed items will of course not show up there as "installed"). If you right-click on any of the items, it will give you the option to directly get "more information", and it can open the readme directly in DS.

    TD

     

    I sure hope you're not referring to that mess in Smart Content. I clicked on All and it came up. I clicked on installed- took a bit to come up (close to two minutes)  on a high speed computer. OMGod, that goodness for DIM with its easy list. There's no easy to surf LIST with Connect installs?  

    EDIT: And several images are white out with a faded emblem on them, like a U inside the outline of a house (like what kids draw.) 

    DS 4.9 loads all of your products in the alphabetically grouped Product categories regardless if it's installed or not. I find it quicker to locate/select the product in the Product categories, right click select "More Information.." to bring up the product's Wiki docs. 

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924

    thanks Lindsey smiley

  • mmitchell_houstonmmitchell_houston Posts: 2,510

    I have 4.9 installed on a secondary (older and slower) computer just so I can test it out before moving it into my workflow.

    Right now it seems to be faster and more stable on my old hardware, although I have had a few freezes and crashes. Nevertheless, I fully expect that I will upgrade in due time. 

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Lindsey: I've found the Products list a lifesaver so often, because a bunch of stuff doesn't end up in Categories or it ends up in weird places. The challenge is trying to remember products, and then remember what name they used.

     

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,407

    4.9 fixed Iray crashes I was having - so going to 4.9 was an easy decision.

  • andya_b341b7c5f5andya_b341b7c5f5 Posts: 694

    Sticking to 4.8 for foreseeable future for a few reasons.

    I'll wait for the (equivalent of) the first service pack - always a good plan I have found unless you enjoy bleeding on the edge, and 4.8 (yes, eight) doesn't seem finished to me yet so an upgrade is premature.

    I spend a lot of time and effort tweaking skin textures to suit Iray in 4.8, I don't want to have to do it all again in 4.9.  When a bug is left unfixed for too long like this people adopt workarounds for it; to then break those workarounds is just plain rude to your customers.  The Iray performance boost - up to 10% I believe - would be nice, but a render that takes all night will still take all night, so I can wait on that.

    But primarily, Daz just do not inspire any confidence in me at present.  Sad to say I cannot commit to Daz by updating and investing in a lot more content, especially encrypted content, as they do not make me feel comfortable with them right now.  In my view they are making decisions that are poor on a technical and practical level, to the point of being entirely incomprehensible.  They are straying into areas that are not their core competence, and it shows.  They appear to be making up policy on the hoof.  Their priorities are skewed, expending time and effort on schemes that will ultimately be fruitless in preference to other, more positive uses of their resources in improving their platform and products.  This makes Daz future actions highly unpredictable in my view.  They do not seem keen to promote a positive relationship with customers, rather an adversarial one.  All in all, they are not providing a positive place to 'create' in.

     

  • sfaa69sfaa69 Posts: 353

    I ran into the common Iray bug in 4.8 that made me anxious get 4.9.  I never used smart content, always manually moved my products to my own easy to use categories, but because it looks like the future of DAZ products is with the DAZ connect download route I intalled 4.9 and have been very pleasantly surprised so far. The downloads by DAZ connect are easy to do, much faster than DIM, and if I choose to move them to my own categories, I can. But the way it looks so far, the Smart Content tab is going to be used a lot since it is so easy. Time will tell how it actually works out, but so far I have no complaints about upgrading.

  • SassyWenchSassyWench Posts: 602

    4.9 without Connect here. And it works fine! The same as any other update I've ever done. I don't want Smart Content or categories or links from a jumbled "cloud" folder. It just means that the files are still a mess in the long run.

    If Daz decides to let me download to a temp folder and then move files to where I choose, the same as DIM does now, we'll be fine. Encription isn't my biggest problem in this mess. My perfectly set up Runtime/Library is.

    But I've saved this version of 4.9 and plug-ins just in case the next update decides it's Connect only. devil

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    Etrigan said:

    I upgraded to 4.9 for one primary reason: iRay. My Win8.2 system (or even if I upgraded to 10) were incompatible at 4.8. Now, did DAZ hold my fix hostage to force an upgrade? Maybe, but that's the software biz. Now I can learn iRay I don't care if meshes are encrypted, and 4.9 loads my legacy Poser-compatible stuff just fine ( install alll non-DAZ products to a poser-friendly directory on an external drive). No, I don't use poser.

    In some respects, I think all this is a tempest in a tea-cup. I have long accepted that change is the only constant; I had to accept SAAS if I wanted to advance in Photoshop (previously used Paintshop Pro). If, in the long run, my experience is better, it's all good. I like making pictures, I can't be bothered creating a unique and proprietary directory structure. I accepted the Poser-type format, I accepted the DIM format, I have considerable content, but don't spend days finding a product. 

    Resistance is futile. Make pictures, be happy... this is not a conspiracy to control your life.

    Well as I know the encryption thing and connect will make it more difficult for you to edit textures (for own use) and other things, or will take away part of the control from you over your bought product. If I buy something I can do with it what I want (so long I do not sell it or give it away for free) not what a company wants. It is my product, I have payed for it, I have owned it. It is not rened.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    cosmo71 said:
    Etrigan said:

    I upgraded to 4.9 for one primary reason: iRay. My Win8.2 system (or even if I upgraded to 10) were incompatible at 4.8. Now, did DAZ hold my fix hostage to force an upgrade? Maybe, but that's the software biz. Now I can learn iRay I don't care if meshes are encrypted, and 4.9 loads my legacy Poser-compatible stuff just fine ( install alll non-DAZ products to a poser-friendly directory on an external drive). No, I don't use poser.

    In some respects, I think all this is a tempest in a tea-cup. I have long accepted that change is the only constant; I had to accept SAAS if I wanted to advance in Photoshop (previously used Paintshop Pro). If, in the long run, my experience is better, it's all good. I like making pictures, I can't be bothered creating a unique and proprietary directory structure. I accepted the Poser-type format, I accepted the DIM format, I have considerable content, but don't spend days finding a product. 

    Resistance is futile. Make pictures, be happy... this is not a conspiracy to control your life.

    Well as I know the encryption thing and connect will make it more difficult for you to edit textures (for own use) and other things, or will take away part of the control from you over your bought product. If I buy something I can do with it what I want (so long I do not sell it or give it away for free) not what a company wants. It is my product, I have payed for it, I have owned it. It is not rened.

    Textures are not encrypted so there is no reason you should have more difficulty editing them.

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    Khory said:
    cosmo71 said:
    Etrigan said:

    I upgraded to 4.9 for one primary reason: iRay. My Win8.2 system (or even if I upgraded to 10) were incompatible at 4.8. Now, did DAZ hold my fix hostage to force an upgrade? Maybe, but that's the software biz. Now I can learn iRay I don't care if meshes are encrypted, and 4.9 loads my legacy Poser-compatible stuff just fine ( install alll non-DAZ products to a poser-friendly directory on an external drive). No, I don't use poser.

    In some respects, I think all this is a tempest in a tea-cup. I have long accepted that change is the only constant; I had to accept SAAS if I wanted to advance in Photoshop (previously used Paintshop Pro). If, in the long run, my experience is better, it's all good. I like making pictures, I can't be bothered creating a unique and proprietary directory structure. I accepted the Poser-type format, I accepted the DIM format, I have considerable content, but don't spend days finding a product. 

    Resistance is futile. Make pictures, be happy... this is not a conspiracy to control your life.

    Well as I know the encryption thing and connect will make it more difficult for you to edit textures (for own use) and other things, or will take away part of the control from you over your bought product. If I buy something I can do with it what I want (so long I do not sell it or give it away for free) not what a company wants. It is my product, I have payed for it, I have owned it. It is not rened.

    Textures are not encrypted so there is no reason you should have more difficulty editing them.

    one good news smiley

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited January 2016

    Tried 4.9. Liked the improvements in IRAY - love them actually.

    Decided I prefer how everything works with 4.8. I had an issue, that if the DRM aspect wasn't a part of it, I'd have figured out. But I'd already decided to revert to 4.8, did it last last night.

    Now back with 4.8.

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273
    cosmo71 said:
    Khory said:
    cosmo71 said:
    Etrigan said:

    I upgraded to 4.9 for one primary reason: iRay. My Win8.2 system (or even if I upgraded to 10) were incompatible at 4.8. Now, did DAZ hold my fix hostage to force an upgrade? Maybe, but that's the software biz. Now I can learn iRay I don't care if meshes are encrypted, and 4.9 loads my legacy Poser-compatible stuff just fine ( install alll non-DAZ products to a poser-friendly directory on an external drive). No, I don't use poser.

    In some respects, I think all this is a tempest in a tea-cup. I have long accepted that change is the only constant; I had to accept SAAS if I wanted to advance in Photoshop (previously used Paintshop Pro). If, in the long run, my experience is better, it's all good. I like making pictures, I can't be bothered creating a unique and proprietary directory structure. I accepted the Poser-type format, I accepted the DIM format, I have considerable content, but don't spend days finding a product. 

    Resistance is futile. Make pictures, be happy... this is not a conspiracy to control your life.

    Well as I know the encryption thing and connect will make it more difficult for you to edit textures (for own use) and other things, or will take away part of the control from you over your bought product. If I buy something I can do with it what I want (so long I do not sell it or give it away for free) not what a company wants. It is my product, I have payed for it, I have owned it. It is not rened.

    Textures are not encrypted so there is no reason you should have more difficulty editing them.

    one good news smiley

     lots I can do post production, but lots I prefer to take care of beforehand, that is a positive they didn't encrypt textures. 

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    zombie_taggerung said:

    I'm sticking with 4.8 for now, mainly because I never jump on the bandwagon of newly released software until a couple of versions in. Just to be safe that all the bugs are ironed out. I do use Iray, but I'm on a laptop without an Nvidia graphics card so everything renders slow as mollasses, so I doubt the tiny speed up in 4.9 would make any difference for me anyways. When I do eventually move on to 4.9 I will be working offline, and since I don't use DIM/Smart Content I won't be using or buying any Connect only content. 

    Basically this. I never jump on new versions of anything until they've had a time to be actually bug fixed, and my Nvidia card exploded this month sooo speed increases are going to be meaningless for me. Instead it's learn all about 3Delight time for awhile, so I guess I'm actually going backwards o.o

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,423

    I'm staying with 4.8. 4.9's menu bar is messed up and I can't figure out how to fix it, I don't want to lose Dynamic Clothing Control and I don't want to use Connect. 

    Once my PC+ membership expires at the end of February, I may stop coming to Daz completely and just stick with what's in my library. One of this week's PC items is yet another iteration of that awful Edit hairstyle. 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    thd777 said:

    I have moved on to 4.9. Reasons:

    - updated render engines (specifically IRAY).

    - Better content management options. I have never used categories, so I had nothing to loosse there. 

    - Very useful integration of my DAZ store purchases directly in DS. I can access and find things I have purchased easily and access things like readme files directl;y from DS. This is useful even for my old libraries that are still arranged the way I like it and I am used to (but I can now quickly go to connect find the corrsponding entry and see when it was updated or look up the file structure.

    - Access to future models and conatnet that might not be compatible with older versions

    - encryption is a non-issue for me

    ciao

    TD

     

    Well that saved me some typing time!  lol.  While I'm not happy, at all, with the new way of categorizing the user's own metadata the rest is pretty much my thoughts on DS 4.9. 

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085

    4.8... I'm very disappointed by this new system and don't like where it can lead, but that's just the opinion of one of the unwashed masses and we know what that's worth.

  • frogimusfrogimus Posts: 200

    I own Poser 10 and have reinstalled it.

    4.8 will stay on my PC just to export stuff to Poser. CMS is deleted.

    As for actually buying anything - who knows. I put sale stuff in the cart then let the sale expire and empty the cart.

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    Timbales said:

    I'm staying with 4.8. 4.9's menu bar is messed up and I can't figure out how to fix it, I don't want to lose Dynamic Clothing Control and I don't want to use Connect. 

    Once my PC+ membership expires at the end of February, I may stop coming to Daz completely and just stick with what's in my library. One of this week's PC items is yet another iteration of that awful Edit hairstyle. 

    A lot of the new hair styles for g3f are awful. They should make remakes of some of the V4 hair styles, most of these look much better than these new hair styles.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Eh, it's trivially easy to fit older hairs upstream. It's the reverse that can get hard, so... whatevs. ;)

     

  • TeofaTeofa Posts: 823

    Well, I'm actually still with 4.6 pro and see no compelling reason to upgrade further at this time.  I'm not seeing, personally, a need for IRAY, nor a need to bump up to a character, g3, who appears to be optimized to use it.  Same with g3 products, at least the trend I'm seeing.

    I'll stick with what works. 4.8 never got beyond beta, IMO, and I personally think 4.9 hasn't either.

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,603

    I did upgrade to 4.9, but I went back to 4.8 (I don't know why, I just do what my brain tells me to). And, to be honest, I'm glad that I did.

    I'm getting into Iray (again). Because of all the stuff that I have installed on my laptop, the renderers (both 3delight and Iray) were affecting the laptop's speed. I now have the program (4.8) on my new desktop (as well as the laptop).  Which means I can put a scene together on the laptop, then move it over to the desktop, where it can be rendered (pretty quickly). 

    I may go over to 4.9 (one day). But I feel more comfortable with using 4.8

     

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited January 2016

    ..staying wth 4.8 for the time being.  Would like the the fix for Iray and SSS but not worth the risk of messing up my setup (I use multiple drives).

    As I have an old 1GB Nvidia GPU and my scenes usually exceed 6 GB when rendering (requiring a GPU I cannot afford), I'm pretty much stuck with CPU rendering in Iray so no speed boost there.

    @Misty, love your response (also have Carrara as well).

     

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    kyoto kid said:

    ..staying wth 4.8 for the time being.  Would like the the fix for Iray and SSS but not worth the risk of messing up my setup (I use multiple drives).

    As I have an old 1GB Nvidia GPU and my scenes usually exceed 6 GB when rendering (requiring a GPU I cannot afford), I'm pretty much stuck with CPU rendering in Iray so no speed boost there.

    @Misty, love your response (also have Carrara as well).

     

    Actually I was using my old computer (the other was in the shop) when 4.9 went live and I saw a speed increase on cpu rendering. I was pretty suprised actually.

  • Wiccan1Wiccan1 Posts: 198

    4.8 for the forseeable future.   Not DRM fan!  Sorry....

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited January 2016
    Khory said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ..staying wth 4.8 for the time being.  Would like the the fix for Iray and SSS but not worth the risk of messing up my setup (I use multiple drives).

    As I have an old 1GB Nvidia GPU and my scenes usually exceed 6 GB when rendering (requiring a GPU I cannot afford), I'm pretty much stuck with CPU rendering in Iray so no speed boost there.

    @Misty, love your response (also have Carrara as well).

     

    Actually I was using my old computer (the other was in the shop) when 4.9 went live and I saw a speed increase on cpu rendering. I was pretty suprised actually.

    ...still not worth the possibility of having my library setup ruined.

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  • roberthutchinsonroberthutchinson Posts: 309

    Hey Wiccan1, how does one get the eyes to blink on the avatar? I would like to try that maybe on a newer avatar for me.heart

  • XaatXuunXaatXuun Posts: 874
    edited January 2016

    new comp on the way, I don't think I'll have a choice, but going with 4.9, I wanted 4.8, but seems  I be a week and a few days late

    currently using 4.6

     

    also I'm going to genesis 3,  from Genesis 1

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