Not sure about 4.9

JVRenderer

Gr00vus said:

IRAY shaders targeting 4.9 might not look good/right in 4.8 by default. Nothing earthshattering, you can adjust the shaders in 4.8 if that's the case.

Ice Dragon Art said:

JVRenderer said:

I'm going to sit this one out and stay with 4.8. My question is can I still buy 4.9 content (manual downloads) and use them on 4.8?

JV

My understanding is that as long as its not encrypted only content then yes, you can.  I just loaded a bunch of stuff I bought yesterday and its fine, loaded just like normal with Dim (or manually if you prefer) and works as it should.  I don't have 4.9 on my machines as of yet. Its JUST the ones that are ecrypted only like the freebies yesterday and today.

 

I don't use Iray nor 3Delight. I don't use metadata on my installs. I've got 4.8 nicely organized and the libraries are pointed to my external drive. My workflow is pretty smooth at the moment. I just don't want DS to load a bunch of metadata into my drive. I have no need for smart content.

I've been away from Daz for awhile, I've cancelled my PC membership, but came back a year or so ago and learned how to navigate and use DS 4.6, 4.7 and 4.8. I've seen the earlier versions of DS. The content management is a mess. The so called improved version may throw off what I've gotten used to for the last 10 yr.

Not having 4.9 is not really a big lost for me.

fixmypcmike

JVRenderer said:

Gr00vus said:

IRAY shaders targeting 4.9 might not look good/right in 4.8 by default. Nothing earthshattering, you can adjust the shaders in 4.8 if that's the case.

Ice Dragon Art said:

JVRenderer said:

I'm going to sit this one out and stay with 4.8. My question is can I still buy 4.9 content (manual downloads) and use them on 4.8?

JV

My understanding is that as long as its not encrypted only content then yes, you can.  I just loaded a bunch of stuff I bought yesterday and its fine, loaded just like normal with Dim (or manually if you prefer) and works as it should.  I don't have 4.9 on my machines as of yet. Its JUST the ones that are ecrypted only like the freebies yesterday and today.

 

I don't use Iray nor 3Delight. I don't use metadata on my installs. I've got 4.8 nicely organized and the libraries are pointed to my external drive. My workflow is pretty smooth at the moment. I just don't want DS to load a bunch of metadata into my drive. I have no need for smart content.

I've been away from Daz for awhile, I've cancelled my PC membership, but came back a year or so ago and learned how to navigate and use DS 4.6, 4.7 and 4.8. I've seen the earlier versions of DS. The content management is a mess. The so called improved version may throw off what I've gotten used to for the last 10 yr.

Not having 4.9 is not really a big lost for me.

If you never log in to Daz Connect nothing gets downloaded.

JVRenderer

Okay, I've bought some items that are were marked: compatible software Daz Studio 4.9

I've installed them manually in DS 4.8 and they all worked. I've not tested them with Iray shaders, but then I don't use Iray. It is not rocket science to make Iray shaders. All PBR shaders are similar, whether they're Iray, Octane of Superfly/Cycle.

In the event that they don't work, I could always ask for a refund

JV

fastbike1

I updated to 4.9 w/ DIM. No problems. Everything is there including things I had previously moved form the default DIM folders. My one complaint is that the Connect item I have does not show in the Content tab (i.e. Genesis 3 Female > Clothing> etc, but onyl Smart Content. I prefer to use the Content Tab.

Am I missing something, or can this be fixed?

fixmypcmike

If you want the to show up in "Daz Studio Formats"/"Poser Formats", open Smart Content on one side and Content Library on the other, create/navigate to the folder you want to use in Content Library, and drag the files from Smart Content to Content Library.  This creates a link which you can organize on your hard drive as you like.

Jan19

icecrmn said:

if you are going to use that hack to get both release versions installed at the same time you should keep in mind that it doesn't take into account the operational files that are made and placed in AppData and the other Local and roaming profile folders.

Some of these hard to track problems that are poping up maybe a result of playing with that hack and not understanding the problems it causes.

Thanks. ​   I decided that I might make more of a mess than I wanted to, trying to install both versions.  Plus, I'd forgotten about the initial log-in, and DIM refuses to connect for me, no matter what I do.  If 4.9 goes the same way, I'd end up with no upgrade anyway.  So I decided not to install 4.9.  I love IRay, and I love the 4.9 renders.  But holding off for the moment.

Ruphuss

now say you just go the new way and install everything into a new connect folder

how do your older saved scenes find content ?

fixmypcmike

Ruphuss said:

now say you just go the new way and install everything into a new connect folder

how do your older saved scenes find content ?

No change.

Ruphuss

you are sure mike ?

how does the scene know where the content is now with a totally different folder structure connect files have

edit: you are right mike

do not know why but it just works

Khory

Ruphuss said:

you are sure mike ?

how does the scene know where the content is now with a totally different folder structure connect files have

All I know is that I have updated genese 3 female via connect and my old scenes load fine.

fixmypcmike

Just like if you use a new top-level content folder, the paths underneath are all that matters.

nicstt

Cris Palomino said:

I find DAZ_Rawb's explanation of encryption vs. drm to be pretty good: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/993417/#Comment_993417

It is very good, but inaccurate.

DRM is digital rights management, and that is what you (Daz) are trying to do. You are understandably annoyed about pirates stealing your stuff; the post below made me smile, but also made a point.

ashley9803 said:

The general complaints, apart from the DRM thing, is that you can't move encrypted contend around in your file structure, nor have access directly to their DUF. But you can arrange your content interface by some sort of shortcuts method. The overwhelming concern as I see it is about where things are heading and what might happen in the future. Based mostly on previous assurances that "We have no plans to..." and then they do just that.

My major concern is that there dosen't seem to be any long-term strategic marketing plan in place, with decisions being made on an ad hoc and whimsical basis, perhaps late at night after work over a few drinks. Evidenced by their arbitrary decision to release encrypted ony content a few days after having "no plans to do so". And while it is fair for them to say that decisions will be made on the basis of future sales, this very uncertainty and this back-tracking by Daz is breeding a lot of anxiety about whether they actually know what they're going to do from one day to the next. The natives are restless but not without good cause I'd say.

Encryption is about two or more people (computers perhaps) sharing items/products and having equal access to them, but not allowing others to view/alter them.

DRM is about allowing limited (or controlled/restricted) access to others of a product someone owns.

An example might be the DIM; it could (no idea if it does) transer items in an encrypted format, once here there are almost no restrictions as the items can be editted, altered, bugs can be fixed and files can be stored however we wish. (I understand that some aspects are encrypted.) The DRM aspect of Connect (it doesn't have to be part of Connect) maintains the limit on what can be done with the files, how they can be managed and who has access to the inner workings.

Ruphuss

DAZ_Rawb said:

Novica said:

It will not erase your 4.8 as 4.9 goes in that folder, so I decided to test it. Glad I did, it's rather cool. It kept my custom categories that I had created (Using Content Library, right click and Categorize. NO moving of file paths.) 

Enjoyed the custom categories in 4.9, read about other people whose custom stuff was messed up from the getgo. Then another gal mentioned her custom part went poof, after it was there. I opened and closed my studio probably 25 times since I downloaded the regular (not beta) 4.9.  No problem. We've discussed this thoroughly in my art studio thread, and I said I would do screen shots to show folks who hadn't tried it yet, what it looked like with "real usage."  I closed the studio, then opened it up.

Well, problem. MY CUSTOM STUFF HAD GONE POOF BUT ALL OF IT WAS THERE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THAT! Compare the top one, my 4.8, with how 4.9 butchered it , after days of having it correctly. It changed the order, put things in such as "Head apply" , etc.

Can't recommend 4.9 except to download free Connect stuff. At this point, keep your 4.8! (I do want to emphasize, I haven't lost anything. Nothing in my 4.8 was changed when I installed 4.9.)

Would you please be so kind as to contacting customer support with this. Be sure to include lots of details because this is obviously very odd behavior. My question is if you had 4.8 open at the same time, or if you installed something through DIM while something was happening in 4.9. I'm sure we can get this all sorted out, but in the mean time you should be able to reimport your user data that you exported in 4.8 and that should put everything right again.

here

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/69753/4-9-categories#latest

and here

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/69911/where-did-all-my-categories-go-in-4-9#latest

and here also

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/69843/daz-studio-4-9-and-catagories#latest

now tell all those people they are so special

Khory

Meh..never mind..Need more coffee

 

bsett

You can always do what I did. I upgraded to 4.9 via DIM but when I launched it for the first time afterwards I just elected to go for offline mode. Seemed pretty much just like 4.8 that way. Can always turn the connect thingy on latter if I ever want to.

cosmo71

kyoto kid said:

..this whole Daz Connect feels like MS's Auto Update.

The part that really bothers me is this:

New products may begin to be offered through Daz Connect only

..so, if you stay with 4.8, you may be out of luck. Sounds even more llike MS and Win 10.

well, I have spent thousands at the store over the years, if DAZ goes that way, I will not spent any more money at the DAZ Store.

cosmo71

Well what happens with the old content after installing DS 4.9? I have still content also under studio 3 from DS3 times.

cosmo71

What I really do not like is the way DAZ brings their new software out, the allways should have an option for going back to the previous version.

cosmo71

DAZ_Rawb said:

Novica said:

It will not erase your 4.8 as 4.9 goes in that folder, so I decided to test it. Glad I did, it's rather cool. It kept my custom categories that I had created (Using Content Library, right click and Categorize. NO moving of file paths.) 

Enjoyed the custom categories in 4.9, read about other people whose custom stuff was messed up from the getgo. Then another gal mentioned her custom part went poof, after it was there. I opened and closed my studio probably 25 times since I downloaded the regular (not beta) 4.9.  No problem. We've discussed this thoroughly in my art studio thread, and I said I would do screen shots to show folks who hadn't tried it yet, what it looked like with "real usage."  I closed the studio, then opened it up.

Well, problem. MY CUSTOM STUFF HAD GONE POOF BUT ALL OF IT WAS THERE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THAT! Compare the top one, my 4.8, with how 4.9 butchered it , after days of having it correctly. It changed the order, put things in such as "Head apply" , etc.

Can't recommend 4.9 except to download free Connect stuff. At this point, keep your 4.8! (I do want to emphasize, I haven't lost anything. Nothing in my 4.8 was changed when I installed 4.9.)

Would you please be so kind as to contacting customer support with this. Be sure to include lots of details because this is obviously very odd behavior. My question is if you had 4.8 open at the same time, or if you installed something through DIM while something was happening in 4.9. I'm sure we can get this all sorted out, but in the mean time you should be able to reimport your user data that you exported in 4.8 and that should put everything right again.

 

WELL, NO DS 4.9 for me, so much trouble as written here in different threads in the forum. NO WAY. And by the way, you allways should offer the option to return to the previous version.

And by the way, I have spent thousands of Dollars at the store, If DAZ plans to go just the "DAZ connect" way at the store I will not buy stuff at the store anymore.

riftwitch

How do we access the encrypted content? If I go to Connect in the upper left, all of the drop-down items take me to the appropriate pages at the DAZ web sit, but click the Login button and enter my email and password, it gives me a popup that says "Login Failure. User name or password incorrect". I'm using the same email and password I use here at the DAZ site, but it's not taking it. It does seem to take me directly to my account, wishlist, and so on if I use the menu items at the top left, so it seems that on some level it is connecting me. I've attached a screen grab of the error message, with my email address blacked out.

 

cosmo71

That is what I hate about DAZ, you can never be sure that your old content works without trouble after installing a new version of DS. So I will stay at DS4.8 and if there more and more products just for DAZ connect I will buy less and less at the store.

GhostofMacbeth

One thing to note that it CAN be that your 4.9 will overwrite your 4.8. I had that happen when I was trying out a beta and messed me up. Found a 4.8 installer so I could revert but I wanted to test them both in tandem and that didn't work. It all depends on how things are set up though.

SpottedKitty

JVRenderer said:

Okay, I've bought some items that are were marked: compatible software Daz Studio 4.9

Note that this does not mean "this item was made for 4.9 and might not work on earlier versions" — it means "this item was bought from the DAZ store when 4.9 was the current release version". That "compatible software" bit has been just a bit misleading for many years.

miketee

timmins.william said:

You can use 4.9 and refuse to buy encryption-only products.

In some possible future where all new content is encryption-only and you have all the past store items you could possibly want, you could still use Daz Studio and refuse to get the new stuff and, instead, shop elsewhere.

 

Then why bother using 4.9 at all!? Isn't the whole purpose of the program to run encryption based content? Personally, I am steering clear of 4.9. I want to be able to use my content (legally!) the way I want, keep it where I want, etc. 4.9 sounds like a disaster in the making. I am hearing horror stories about the install process, and then people can't find their content. What gives!?

Chohole

Actually no that is not the whole point of the 4.9 release. It now has a stable version of connect, which a great many people feel is a def improvement on DIM, and it has had a whole slew of bug fixes from the beta versions. 

Khory

miketee said:

timmins.william said:

You can use 4.9 and refuse to buy encryption-only products.

In some possible future where all new content is encryption-only and you have all the past store items you could possibly want, you could still use Daz Studio and refuse to get the new stuff and, instead, shop elsewhere.

 

Then why bother using 4.9 at all!? Isn't the whole purpose of the program to run encryption based content? Personally, I am steering clear of 4.9. I want to be able to use my content (legally!) the way I want, keep it where I want, etc. 4.9 sounds like a disaster in the making. I am hearing horror stories about the install process, and then people can't find their content. What gives!?

You hear a lot of stuff.. I bet you have also heard that other people have had no issue with the change over right? I know I've had no issues with installing and using it. I can find everything and my work flow exactly the same. I'm still legally using all my content exactly the same way I always did. Old scenes have loaded and rendered fine. Everything is exactly where I left it. The difference is faster updates and downloads, faster rendering (with both gpu and without as I was using my old computer when 4.9 went live), the updated skin tones look  better "out of the box" and my work flow is faster now. Since I never have been one to hack other peoples work it is unlikely I will ever even notice the encryption. None of the work I do while working in studio is encrypted and is all open for me to update and work on via text if I need to. I've found no down side so far and I started using the 4.9 beta as soon as it was out and have not used 4.8 in months.

Leana

miketee said:

Then why bother using 4.9 at all!? Isn't the whole purpose of the program to run encryption based content?

That's only part of what is included in 4.9. Beside Daz Connect and support for encrypted content you also have a new version of Iray and 3delight render engines which fix some bugs, improvements to Smart Content and Categories, and various bug fixes for DS itself.

If you work offline you can continue installing and using your content in the same way that you did before, you don't have to use Connect (well, unless you want the Connect-only items).

Ruphuss

bsett said:

You can always do what I did. I upgraded to 4.9 via DIM but when I launched it for the first time afterwards I just elected to go for offline mode. Seemed pretty much just like 4.8 that way. Can always turn the connect thingy on latter if I ever want to.

you can but you may not have the same result

lindell

Leana said:

miketee said:

Then why bother using 4.9 at all!? Isn't the whole purpose of the program to run encryption based content?

That's only part of what is included in 4.9. Beside Daz Connect and support for encrypted content you also have a new version of Iray and 3delight render engines which fix some bugs, improvements to Smart Content and Categories, and various bug fixes for DS itself.

If you work offline you can continue installing and using your content in the same way that you did before, you don't have to use Connect (well, unless you want the Connect-only items).

I will not install 4.9. I will not purchase any products if they're encrypted. I'll show no support for this move. This is a hobby, the content is for personal enjoyment. I stear away from any company or product line of such nature that uses any form of DRM. DAZ makes plenty of money or they'd not be in business still and offering discounts on their products. What is the point of this? Where is this heading? Why do I care? Because when i spend money, it's my runtime.

HorusRa

I installed 4.9 and I've had no problems that I know of. I haven't noticed any missing content or any other problems. My 4.8 scenes readily loaded up and rendered with no problems in 4.9. I updated with DIM.