Need to vent...
Linwelly
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What I would like to tell the responsible person who designed the windows 10 add popup, I would like to tell them that they should please shoot themselfes in the knee, repeatedly... I was rendering that looong thing and I knew it would take a while so I started the render in late afternoon yesterday, and my computer was jolly rendering. In the evening I took a look and it was at 91%, so still a way to go but as there was the night ahead I let it run and hoped for a finished or almost finished render in the morning. Instead I had that stupid (/%%&(%$ popup sitting there asking me to finally update to $§%%$§' windows 10 which I will not do in the remaining lifetime of this computer and my render was still sitting at 92% the computer blocked for any other sensible action until the popup is clicked away. And of some strange reason it would not return to seriously working on the render. But as I'm a very civilised person and I don't even know to find the responsible for that &$§&%§ popup, I'm just venting here on you guys and tell you that I &%$/&%$/§ hate everything about &%$&$§& windows 10 and that from now on I will have to pull th plug for renders of that kind..
Thanks for the place to do so!
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Microsoft wants to "force" everyone to update to Windows 10. I updated to WIndows 10 a long time ago, but now some of the major updates defaults my drivers to Windows 10, which I have to reinstall all over again. Anyways, Here are some steps to help you get rid of the pop-up.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/remove-windows-10-upgrade-notifications,30818.html
The windows 10 nagware is insidiious. It will reinstall itself and keep trying to get you to click, even popping up on your screen in front of your work to get you to click.
I use an older laptop computer for work, and upgrading to windows 10 just isn't practical for a 5 year old machine. I've disabled the update, turned off windows updates and it returns.
On my second computer, I know for a fact, that even though it is new, it won't take windows 10 well because some drivers won't work. Laptops are like that. So no way I'm going to ditch the original OS, no matter how much Microsoft pimps it.
Thanks XpiderMan, you're my new hero, I deleded the update hid it from my computer and hope that works now. And well now I'll have to see if the same thing happens to me Serene Night.
Even installing windows10 doesn't help the issue :(
I had started a render right before going to bed and was looking forward to moving on to a new scene in the morning after the render was finished. I awoke to find that windows had rebooted itself (even though I never scheduled a reboot time for the windows update) to finish installing the updates it had downloaded.
Thw "windows needs to reboot" window kept poping up asking me to schedule a reboot time, so I figured it would wait until I selected a time... nope! it decided that night, in the middle of a render, would be the perfct time for me.
You're welcome, Linwelly. Just keep in mind that installing new Windows 7 and 8.1s updates will add the software again, so you'll need to re-do the steps.
Kaotkbliss, Windows has always made the assumption that by not selecting anything, it allows it to do whatever it wants. There used to be an option in the settings where it would just download and not install until the user would decide when to update, but I don't see the option anymore. It installs the updates because it does not see any activity from the user after 5 or 15 minutes. It is better to either do the update right away or select the time to reschedule. Keep in mind that some of the updates are quick, while some of the major ones can take up to 30 minutes or more to install. The major updates resets your drivers to Windows' drivers (meaning you need to reinstall them again, in my case I have to reinstall the graphic drivers for one of my computers, while the audio driver for another, which is annoying).
Yeah, that popup is more than annoying. I'll give that fix a try, thank you very much!
It is stuff like this that makes me hate technology... I grew up embracing technology and how it could enhance our lives and advance humanity towards a brighter and more enlightened future... Yet as time passed and technology was more entrenched in ours lives, it became apparent that human nature would find a way to take every good thing technology could provide and thrust it's sticky, dirty little fingers into it and mess up the works... That no matter how brilliant the visions of the noble dreamers, some dim idiot would find a way of worming their ideas and petty decisions into the picture and gumming up the gears of progress... I spent enough time in product design to come to one conclusion... I have seen the future and it is stupid.
Yeah, as far as windows 10... Microsoft has done everything they can to make me hate it without even giving any logical consideration to any possible benefits it may actually provide, the vindictive nature of humanity is never factored into any of the idiotic formulas that marketing fools ponder... If you continuously piss people off, they will hate you product... Sure, you may get a rosy picture, but that only because you never asked the right questions or provided a "hate this" button.
I feel your pain, having been an Apple user for decades, I finally said " _ _ _k you and the horse you rode in on, you annoying control freaks" and decided to just move on to Windows like the rest of the world... Just in time for Windows feakin' 10... Yaaaaay!
If more stuff would work with Linux, I'd so abandon it all for that. Every time I see an application that lists Linux in its operating platforms, I wish good things for those responsible.
Still on windows 8 - no not 8.1, and I rarely get hastled to update; which will be over my cold dead corpse. :)
Huh, I'm one of those people that thought I would try Windows 10 and could never get the update button to do anything. I never had a pop up once while running Windows 7 Home and tried several times to update to Windows 10 until I had heard all of the horror stories and decided I didn't want anything to do with it. Of course, then I upgraded my computer memory from 16 to 32 GB and discovered the limitations Win 7 Home had and finally decided to try upgrading to Win 10 again to see if that fixed my problem with DS crashing because I kept running out of memory with my current project. I did managed to update to Win 10 although not without problems because apparently Windows can't handle the fact that some people can have more than one freaking hard drive in their system. I'm not sure if it just suddenly worked or if switching my browsers (now currently running Pale Moon instead of Firefox). Of course, now I know that the extra memory DID fix my crashing problem, but I absolutely HATE Windows 10 so far. It messed up all of my settings. I, somehow, lost all of my shortcuts inside DS and now I have to try and either reinstall DS or manually add back in all of the shortcuts. None my passwords on anything got saved and transported to the Windows 10 settings. I can't find anything in the system settings because it seems totally different to Windows 7. Even the file browser is messed up and I can figure out how to change settings to get it back to the way I had things set up in Windows 7. To top it off, I had all of my best renders selected to slideshow through as my background. In Windows 10, all I can figure out how to do is select an enitre folder for a slideshow background. You can't select individual pictures within a folder, just the whole @#%^&% folder. Who came up with that brilliant idea?
I think I've decided to try and get DS working under Linux and, if I turn it into a dual boot system, I'll revert back to Windows 7 at some point in the near future. I'm only keeping Windows 10 for the length of time it takes me to get things setup in Linux and then I'll go back to Windows 7, if I need to.
I have heard that a lot of people have had problems with those popups, Linwelly, and that they could get annoying. I don't blame you for wanting to vent. If it weren't for DS, I would never have even installed Windows on my new desktop. Right now, it the only thing keeping me from totally giving up Windows completely. Before DS, I was almost ready to completely get rid of Windows because I had found replacement programs for everything I used in Windows and was going to go to a completely Linux OS. DS kind of messed up those plans. I'm having too much fun with DS now to give that up, though, which means sticking to some version of Windows for now, but it won't be 10 for long, that I know for certain.
So, does anyone think it's worth updating from 8.1 to windows 10?
I've had the update ready to download for a few months, but I haven't heard anything good about it, so far.
One of the most common comments that I've read, is that installing Win 10 wipes their HDD... Is that true?
I suppose the only thing that worries me, is if Daz3D isn't compatible with Win 8.1 in the future.
I really like Windows 10....but dammit Microsoft, there is no need to force me to update RIGHT NOW.
Yesterday my pc just restarted all of a sudden a went on a 3+ hour update marathon, without even warning me first.
It's starting to look like I'm in the minority here, but I haven't experienced any major problems with Windows 10.
That bit about the Windows 10 install wiping the hard disk is 100% untrue; I have upgraded three machines from Windows 8.1 to 10, and all three upgrades went smoothly. No applications or data were harmed by the installation, and all of my applications work just fine in the new environment.
My only complaint about the frequent and automatic updates is that they burn up my bandwidth. And with a cellular data plan, that can get pretty pricey (as in, $200+ phone bills)!
Maybe I've just been lucky....
I have had no problems with Windows 10. I did an install from scratch...no upgrade. I do not like upgrades because there are unused Windows stuff left behind and that can cause problems. My advice is to start from scratch, if you can. Be sure to backup any files you want to save to an external hd or thumb drive before wiping the hd. My latest Daz Studio runs just fine with Windows 10 and I get very few if any force able reboots.
I had windows 7 set up to download but don't install updates. I assumed windows 10 (since it no longer has this option) would not do anything with the updates until I told it to either reboot now, or schedule a time to reboot. It didn't wait though :(
When I installed 10, I did the update to 7 but so many glitches were introduced that it was frustrating to use. I had to install 10 from scratch and it's been working fine ever since.
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...yeah Windows 10 makes me really wish that Linux was more widely accepted by software developers. Of the major brands of commercial 3D software available only Maya and Modo work in Linux (both just a little to pricey for most of us here).
Blender runs in Linux but being mildly dyslexic with short term memory loss, and not having studied advanced coursework in cryptologic structures, not an option.
4 more years for Win7 (7 years If I go with the "Fisher Price" UI), and that's it, unless I win a lotto so I can afford to join "Club Mac".
One can still upgrade to Win7 Pro (via OEM) however it requires a full clean install. As all my content is on a separate storage HDD, I will only need to reinstall the apps that are on the main boot (C) drive .
I somehow managed to find a very good computer for what I need to use DS that came with Win 7 installed back in May of this year. No way will I EVER go to Windows 10 partly on principal. I don't like things forced down my throat and as far as I am concerned once I pay all this money for the computer its MINE and not theirs and if I don't want their damn updates I am not going to put them on the computer that I payed for. And that any company thinks its okay to force people to do updates on something that no longer belongs to them once it leaves the store is the height of arrogance and sincerely just annoys me to death. I see a Mac in my far future. This one should last a good 5 to 7 years.
The challenge I have with this forced upgrade, is they don't allow users to decide for themselves. I know whether my machine is capable of taking windows 10.
They should allow us to choose not to upgrade by saying so, and then cease to pimp it. The fact that they continuously nag us now, and not let us say no, is actually one of the worst pr schemes I can think of.
Yes, I wouldn't mind upgrading my 8.1 machine to 10. However, people who have the same model have had trouble with drivers, and so I am sticking to the original OS. In my general experience it is not a good idea to upgrade portables to new operating systems without the manufacturers buy-in. I've found drivers and devices don't work properly.
Honestly thats my biggest peeve. it should be MY decision.
I bought a brand new computer and had Windows 10 Professional installed. In the Professional edition, you can tell it to postpone the updates. You don't get a nag screen and can choose to do the update at your convenience. If I had a Windows 7 PC, I wouldn't upgrade to Windows 10 either - there's a ton of privacy invasion settings you have to turn off, including telling Cortana to take a hike.
That said, on a new PC with a clean install of Win 10 Pro, there are no problems at all running DAZ Studio or rendering.
I really like Windows 10. Was on Windows 7 before. I think I might prefer 7. But Windows 10 is really nice. For the updates, it will reboot your computer automatically during the night to install updates. To turn this off, go into Settings/Update&Security. You should now be on the "Windows Update" tab. If not, click it. Click "Advanced Options". Change the dropdown to "Notify to schedule restart". It will not automatically reboot your machine anymore. It will popup a dialog but I have not had it stop any apps. It just sits there until you pick an option or just click never (or whatever the option is to reboot later) and make it go away.
Well I got the stupid Icon back in the task line but no popup up to know. Yes thos were the times when I used linux, but the I got a new computer with windows 7 on it and I really like that one so when the next computer came and windows 8.1 was already out I still asked for the windows 7 and still like it.
Mac, you are so right there is a ton of obnoxious adds out there and its constantly driving me to the point where I will never buy another thing from that company. And with fidgetting the technology to a point of uselessness.. I already fear the day I have to buy a new car...
+1
I like Windows 10; I was a tester. I don't like all the phone-home 'stuff' in it.
Linux treets users like adults; Windows treets users like imbecilic young children. I like to make my own decissions and it's even tougher on Windows 10 than previously.
I came across this the other day, How To Stop Windows 10 From Automatically Downloading & Installing Updates
I've been saying I'm going to Linux, since I could not use Windows98 any more, but I haven't , I still can't get used to NT, I liked DOS, was easy for me to fix a problem. Been away from it so long (DOS) I wouldn't know what I'm looking at any more, but remembered I liked it a lot more. early summer was packing for a move found my AutoCad stuff, not sure where I would find a drive to run them 8" floppy's
(eh . . rambling again) I should had stopped at the link
I have no problem with Win 10 save for my mother calling me every time there's a pop-up on her screen and she wonders if she dares clicking on it.
Win 10 Home or Win 10 Pro? I hear the Pro version's better in that it has more options to cut back on the always phone home thing. Got a new computer coming in 2 weeks, the OS that I ordered is Windows 7 Pro but it also includes a Windows 10 Pro disc if I want to upgrade. Now I'm trying to find out how big a hassle that would be. Some of my favorite programs go all the way back to Win 95/98 days and so far I've still been able to use most of them, though I hear Photoshop CS2 probably won't work in 10 and I'd really rather not "upgrade" to the Cloud -- got a look at the new Adobe Reader which is cloud-capable and hated it so much I went back to Version 11.
Just reinstalled Windows after yet another hard drive failure (hence the new computer) and I have 210 updates in the queue. Not exactly sure what all of them are, since the description usually reads: "a security issue has been identified ... blah-blah-blah..." I just told it to let me decide which ones to download and install, I guess Win 10 does not have that option either?
To upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question.
Forced updates and calls back to Microsoft to let them know what you are doing. Welcome to the future.
I absolutely will not have anything to do with the 'Cloud' -- especially in a business/enterprise environment. My attitude is, if you cannot physically lay a hand on the device that holds your business data, then you are not in control of that data. And if you have sent your data up to the 'Cloud', then you've just handed control of that data to somebody else. Do you really know who those people are? Do you trust them? Really? That much?
It does, and I use Pro.
Nope.
I only upload stuff I can afford to lose; but that just means it's another methoc of backup.
Sadly, we have to trust; banks - and look how they repaid the trust - are one example.
Yeah, one of the above comments reminded me of something that happened recently... My slightly nitwitty, older step-relative kept getting the nag screen... Something which freaked her out every time she saw it. She has zero tech skills and there is no way she (as I'm sure is true with thousands of older or less tech savvy computer users) was gonna upgrade on her own... So of course she kept putting it off... until one day a very nice fellow from "Microsoft" called to inform her that her Windows 7 license "expired" and that because she kept ignoring the upgrade offers her computer would stop working in a few days if she did not upgrade immediately, but she could avoid that by letting him install it right now... Yeah, you are saying "How could she be so stupid"? But her and thousands of other older folks are scammed every day by these pigs... (Apologies to the actual pig species, that wasn't fair)... Microsoft is to blame for this, because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that older or less tech savvy people are not going to willingly upgrade without help and that at some point some evil vermin would figure this out and exploit the fact that the constant nagging makes the upgrade seem more important than it is and they could use the fear and uncertainty created by the notice as well as the offer to professionally install the upgrad for free saving the victim from having to face the task alone and unaided... The end goal is to hijack the computer and ransom it for around a three to four hundred dollar fee... After installing a virus that shuts down the computer after a set amount of time, prompting the person to contact a website for assistance on removing the virus, for an additional fee... Eventually when the extortion no longer is fruitful the hackers destroy the victim's directory and all their files... Of course after stealing any and all usable data.
So in addition to the nagging being obnoxious, it has a toxic effect to it as well.