Bethany 7
Tenmaru
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From the description of http://www.daz3d.com/summer-kiss-for-genesis-3-female-s
Supported Shapes:
- Bethany 7
- Eva 7
- Victoria 7
So it seems we will get new names for this generation, not Olympia 7 and Gia 7
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Well Eva doesn't replace Olympia or Gia, just like Olympia and Gia didn't replace anythign that came before them.
I expect this to be the new norm. Only Vickie, Stephanie, Micheal and probably Aiko will remain regulars. Stephanie has always changed each generation, and Vickie and Micheal used to be the gender base models so if they change people won't wig out. But when characters like Aiko change people complain a lot.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't reuse names every generation, so that way they can be different without any restrictions.
Man I would hope they wouldn't rehash Olympia to 7 and so on, that wiould be redundant IMO. Not impressed at all with Eva, not my taste in women. I keep waiting for that addon figure that makes me go WOW and in the cart she goes. So far the only one I have is Giselle and only because of a commission project. Personally I'd like to see a 3d clone of Laura Michelle Prestin (fitness model), that would be a great addon figure for my GF3 runtime, LOL.
There is a GenX 2 Gen3 Preteens add-on that requires the V3 figure + V3/M3 shapes for Genesis 1. This allows you to get Maddie/Matt/Luke/Laura characters and clones for Genesis 1 and G2 F/M.
However, you generally have to save a lot of money to use Genx 2 as it requires both the Genesis 1 (or 2 in some cases IIRC) legacy morphs + the character in question (Victoria 4, Michael 4, Aiko 3, etc) in order to use, and that's all on top of the price for Genx 2 (there was a half-off sale for Genx 2 and add-ons not long ago) V4 and M4 are occasionally on sale at a massive discount (70~80%) and once in a blue moon might be in the weekly freebies. The Pre-Teen add ons are at least a bigger bargain than other legacy characters as you only need the V3 legacy shapes + V3 to get 4 whole characters.
Whether or not Dimension3D chooses to or is able to add Genesis 3 functionality to Genx remains to be seen.
Ugh, how do I change my avatar to one of the default ones other than THAT monstrosity?
That IS one of the default ones...if you don't supply one, one will be supplied for you...and how to select a different 'supplied' one...no clue. But if you click the gear in the upper right corner, then click on your name, then click on the gear on your profile, it will take you to where you can edit your profile details, including uploading a new 'picture'. But I don't see anything there about allowing a choice among the defaults.
The most popular figures will get updated and released as Genesis 3 figures. The les popular ones will be phased out and replaced with things that we feel will be more appealing.
Thanks for your answer. So, now we can make bets on which figures will see their comebacks. Adds some intrigue.
Please, give another chances to Hiro and David. If you pack Hiro's bundle with good sci-fi items and David's with contemporary ones, it should be appealing enough. For generation 6 we had much more barbarian clothes than anything else, adding more variety for G3M won't hurt.
From what I remember from the last Hiro bundle, as a hairdresser, perhaps I focus on this a bit more than others, but the hair props offered were.. I don't know, felt rushed or the disign just wasn't up to snuff. To me the reason why a shape like Hiro or David didn't sell well was there wasn't enough interest from the merchants in the way of support even though the end users might have liked the shapes just fine they may have just bought the shape, like myself and by passed the bundles or offered clothing. It's really on both sides of the fence when something seems to sell poorly. The support comes from the root first, the merchants, to ENTICE the end users to buy. If there is poor support from the merchants then what the heck to do you expect? Personally, for me, I don't throw my money down a well these days just the heck of it. Quality, style, imagination, detail... that entices me... you give me drab, poorly executed and poorly thought out or rushed goods I'm keeping my money. Pure and simple!
RamWolff you have a point. Daz generally nowadays puts figures in these big ole pro packs cept some of the ethnic ones. So maybe the guys like Hiro or David need smaller not so pro packs. Or they could just pay a PA for a shape and call it quits.
One could argue the value of Daz even offering such figures (males) but I do think many users like offical counterparts for the females. And to make things nicer for everyone, just use the generic UV mapping for those not so popular guys :) Maybe a PA will fill the gaps though. Especially for David. I never saw a point to him frankly.
Hiro is different, he paired with the Anime gals. Any huy can be a David, but you need a particular look to be a Hiro. And dialing in some Aiko just aint right, I mean it could work some to making a guy anime like. I know some people did it in the past. Maybe Aiko should just get some male morphs in her pro pack ;) And male gens. Very modern pro pack if you ask me. Sure people would have fun with that. I am kidding about the gens. Too much work *wink*
Why can't daz just do mini bundles or just release the maybe not so popular characters, I as well would love hiro and David in G2M or G3M. As for doing an Olympia 7 or Gia 7 I do to think it's needed but it could be done, it's not as if all the generation characters are the same. Each Generation character is different so it's not like they are just updating them, so they sure could do another voluptuous character and name her Olympia 7.
They will do another voluptuous character, I think they already confirmed that. I don't care what her name is personally! I will know if I like her by her shape.
I like male characters, but not a hiro fan and am unsurprised he didn't sell.
David came out at a bad time and had an odd face. Great body but that face...
I rather liked David's face because it had a realism to it. If you look around not everyone has model type features, it was refreshing, to say the least, that the characters face (and other included faces) were original and realistic. Hiro, I agree, filled the needed gap for an Anime counterpart to the Anime dolls that the DAZ released, without him there is a needed gap but for gosh sakes spend some time on the QUALITY of the clothing and hair that you release for him. I think all the merchants have been brainwashed to think that a male model won't sell very well so they think "I'll THROW something for the boys out there and see what happens" then they take half as long to do what they do for the females and it looks like it too and then they wonder why no one is buying stuff for the guys. Put the same amount of love and detail in to your work equally, you may not sell AS many but your sales SHOULD hopefully make your efforts worthwhile. Luth does mostly stuff for the males, Jepe did primarily ONLY stuff for the guys back in the day as did other merchant artists. They didn't squawk about being paid too little. I don't get that mind set. "the shape, the clothing, the hair, the..... didn't sell well" .............. maybe look at the investment in time, effort, imagination, detail and then compare that to something that was made for the female counterpart and you may have an answer to your inquiry about why something isn't selling as well for the males. Jepe is a consumate perfectionist as is Luth, it shows in their work. I've seen some great stuff from other merchants too but then there is other work that's so not inspiring and seems rushed that it's a total turn off. "Support your local merchant if you wanna see more stuff for the guys" then the local merchant needs to be that root that inspires the sales, as I've stated, I'm not throwing my hard earned money down a well any longer for this sort of hobby. Earn it.
Have to say this, Olympia was still a stylized voluptuous woman. Not a toon, but not "real". Not that I have issues with her. She was amazing. However she was fake as all(brilliantly I must say). They just gave her some realistic bits and details to make her convincing, but that waist was far too narrow for modern women not living on corsets their entire lives. with clothes she looked perfectly fine(cause if you make the base figure have small waist, clothes look awesome on that! trust me), without clothes though, she was just as stylized as Lilith(different twist, lilith had longer legs and stuff but both were not "real" which is GREAT CGI isn't about that realism stuff. Watch "Avatar" all fake aliens *wink*).
I can't say much about men. Totally random, sorry. I just am waiting for a render...
I know two women who have shapes exactly like the Olympia 6 character, and am 100% positive they have never been in a corset. My twin daughters. So, there are at least two real people with figures like that. :)
I agree with you for the most part.
For me, Dave 5 had a constipated look that was tough to scrub out for me. Kind of scrunchy looking. Kind of reminds me of M6's face actually. I don't like it when bases are too hard to tweak. I like to dial a bit in.. I agree that not everyone should be a supermodel. But at thes same time I want versatility. And we have yet to get a homely female base, so I'm not sure DAZ agrees not everyone should be a super model. =-)
I do agree that the quality about men's items. High cost, and low quality doesn't equal a sale to me. I have seen lately some really sloppy materials used in men's products some which look like barely any effort was involved in the creation. If you aren't going to bother with a good texture, I'm no longer buying. These items are too expensive to have cloth render like glossy rubber, and poorly done men's clothing.
I'm honeslty surprised with what the PA's are telling that DAZ has gotten stricter about quality, that I'm just not seeing it.
Olympia has a 27 inch waist line and 41 inch hips. a 39 in bust and 5foot 8 inches. It's not remotely close to common. She is still stylized, idealized and not a girl next door. She looks fantastic. But she is still far from mundane :)
You get enough people in a room, they will say "yea I know someone like that". But I still think they are aproximating, and not looking at that waist closely enough.
ALmost certain they mean things you wouldn't see on the front, like JCM's correction morphs and such. It's not easy getting stuff in the store. I do believe that. But PA's do a lot of back end stuff that isn't what we think about as art. Does that expression work? Needs a custom hidden and automatic morph to correct that. Have fun doing that...
I love david 5's face, particularly the 2nd alternate morph (everyone forgets about them). David 5 is my favorite male, and its not even close. I pretty much hate all the other Daz men, but It looks like I'm pretty alone in that opinion, so I will just have to suffer.
Scary thing...there's a girl that I see regularly that could be a dead ringer for some of Thorne and Sarsa's old 3rd generation girls. So, yeah, out of the 7 billion plus people on the planet there are some that look just like these figures....except they are not that all that common.
I'm sure. At the same time I'm not seeing a lot of improvement in textures. Too many recent purchases have had textures which aren't so well done. And yeah, I know I can make my own stuff and retexture my own stuff, but no, not going to, and yes, I will complain nonetheless... =-)
As I said, my twin daughters have figures like her. Almost exactly as a matter of fact: 5'9", 27½" waist (the other twin has 26"), 38" inch busts, and both have 40" hips. So I suppose I'm one of those people in the room who says that, and means it. :)
Also, a few celebs who have waist/hip measurements close/exact to Olympia are: Amber Rose, Coco Austin, Nicki Minaj, Kim Kardashian, Beyoncé, Blac Chyna, Jennifer Lopez. Is it a normal ratio? No. Is it real? Yep.
Uh, you can say the Old Kim K.... the Kim now has some messed up booty issues going on, that girl has implants or something completely unrealistic going on back there. You've seen pictures of her lately? She looks like a cartoon. I used to think she was pretty and exotic, now she's just a joke to me. Caitlyn's prettier than she is any day!
Yes, I totally agree! It's sad to see celebs make such drastic changes, that are so unnecessary, to conform with everyone else. Caitlyn is looking pretty amazing lately.
textures are certainly one thing I still like to buy for characters. a MASSIVE time savings. Textures for clothes I prefer not to buy..waste of funds. But for people I still value a quality detailed, high resolution asset!
Half that list of women aren't real ;) Gonna leave them alone. I wasn't ever knocking the glorious and top shelf Olympia. I would love a new different Olympia, but she's still an atypical idealized voluptuous female. Like she needs a pouch at least ;) (easily added with some morphs if needed, no real complaints)
But I ported Olympia and my prior fave Stephanie 5 Curvy over to G3F already. So a new sclupted figure with different details would be amazing.
Long time ago people used Girl4 in small amounts to make realistic morphs more fantastic without going full toon(aiko too). I totally agree that more over the top dimensions work famously for the Genesis+ line as it's so easy to mix in small amounts. I pretty much never dial anyone in 100%, ever since Genesis it's not needed. V4 was different, if you tried to mix stuff clothes didn't fit right and you had gaps between the character and the clothing. I don't miss those days.
You guys are hopeless I had
In my my road predator for V7 and you didn't pick it up, Start drinking some more coffee guys Lol !!!
I don't mind DAZ churning these figures out, because the decision to buy or not to buy is mine, but what I do find a little bit irritating is the numbering scheme. Now, Victoria 7, Michael 7, that makes sense, because they are the seventh generation of the figure. But there has never been an Eva 1 to 6, or a Bethany 1 to 6, or an Olympia 1 to 5 etc. etc.
It should really be: Eva G3, Bethany G3, Olympia G2 etc. because at least that would mean something!
But, this is the DAZiverse, where the laws of physics and common sense are suspended, ordinal numbers do not have precedents, and the dollar is King. In this latest roller coaster of seven-suffixed names I'm staying on the side. I got sucked into the six suffix, but now this really is too much. V7 I did buy, and I will buy M7, but that's it .... I keep telling myself
Also - what is it with these endless UV set variations? I thought the whole point of Genesis was a universal base figure that could be adapted by dialling in different character shaping morphs. Ah, but this is the DAZiverse, where ......
I prefer a number reflecting generation and roughly comparable things.
If Blimey 1 is comparable to Zaxx 4, Anthony 9, Lizbet 3, it's going to get really really confusing
Yes, I agree, that's why I suggested Bethany G3 instead of Bethany 1, so that it clearly indicates the base model.