Dear DAZ, can we have at least ONE non-iray promo render???
jakiblue
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I know iray is the great shiny new thing, but could we get at least ONE normal 3delight DS render in the promos for products? For those of us who are still struggling with iray or can't yet use it (due to computer limitations)??????
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Agree - I am using Iray and 3Delight just as much and so am rather reluctant to buy if I don't know how something is going to render in both engines.
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..I remember when promos would include images using several different render engines, form 3DL to Poser, to Carrara, to Luxrender.. While I have been spending most of my time learning Iray, 3DL is still a major part of Daz Studio and still used by many so I agree, it should be represented equally in promos as well.
See, I'd like to go the opposite way: Go and dump 3delight. I allways have been struggeling with DS, also because of 3delight. I've never made it to get anything better, than a cr*py Poser4-like render out of it. With IRAY, DAZStudio suddenley makes sense. It is like someone had finally found the lightswitch. ;)
IRay is much faster than 3delight, and it looks better. If it was about me, forget 3del... what is it called? never mind.
Only if you have a Nvidia card and if you want to do large scenes a really big Nvidia card. And as to it looks better for some perhaps but not all I'm seeing some really bad Iray renders.
PWToon etc etc don't work in Iray; 3Delight is still better for a more illustrated look than Iray - just because you struggled with 3Delight doesn't mean it should be ditched - is it really so much to ask - 1 render in 3Delight.
...umm, this was done in 3DL.. It is a very powerful engine if you learn how to use it.
Sometimes "photo real" just doesn't get the feeling across.
It should be pointed out that it's impossible to use Iray if you don't have a 64-bit system, as I understand it. So, by doing that, Daz would effectively be abandoning anyone who has to use a 32-bit system.
I do have 64-bit, but can't yet afford the Iray shaders required for certain Iray special effects.
Um no, 3Delight still has a much needed place, be like asking Smith Micro to dump Firefly for Octane/Luxrender it is just silly for them to do that.. You have to remember not everyone can afford $1000+ video cards (Nvidia Titan X comes to mind) or have super expensive PC's/Mac's, while other people like using AMD/ATI video cards..
And as Kyoto Kid said there are just times that you want a particular style of render that can not be done with Iray, the other thing unless you have a beefy PC with a lot of ram and at least one of the later generation Nvidia cards with a fair chunk of Vram Iray can take a long time to render.. Heck I did a simple scene with only one Genesis 2 Figure some clothing and hair and a room, with Meshlights and some some Iray shaders thrown in and it took over 2 hours to render..
That is with a Core I7 2700k 8 Gig ram and a 1.2gig Nvidia 570GTX, and well I do other things like make comics from what I render from Studio and if 3Delight was dumped then I would not be very happy.. In the end there will always be a need for Biased render software no matter what..
And one last thing depending on the scene and what is used 3Delight can be just as fast.. If the Iray scene is just one figure clothing hair and a background picture and one light or HDRI, then yes it can be a near instant render.. But once you start doing fancy lighting, reflections/refractions/caustics, water and so on then adding in props adding in more figures, hair and clothing and use Iray shaders on all that, it can take quite a long time to render it all..
Never mind!
This isn't the thread for arguing the relative merits of 3Delight and Iray - it's about those who do still use 3Delight, whether exclusively or along with iray, wanting to see at least one 3Delight promo render for products that are not Iray-exclusive.
I too want to continue to see non-iray promo art, and textures for things. I am not adopting Iray this year at least if at all. I have too much money and time invested in 3delight.
I, too, would like to see what I am buying before I actually pay for it. I've had to stop myself from making several purchases so far. In the end, when people don't show you something, there's usually a reason they don't.
On a side-note: What I find particularly baffling is how utterly terrible most Iray promo images look compared to what the engine is actually capable off (as evidenced by, say, every render by Mec4D). That eagerness to not show off, like, half of the products value, compared with the limited experience in Iray that's being displayed is quite something.
And since I assume there's still work going into creating special 3Delight Materials that are then completely ignored in the promo art what does it mean? Are the 3Delight Materials just so utterly bad or are did the promo artists just develop some sort of hatred for 3Delight? Did 3Delight leave the air out of your tires and place a dead opossum in front of your door or something?
Just another added affirmative voice here. Iray is not always the right tool for the job at hand.
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I'm kinda torn.
On the one hand, I support the idea of there being at least one 3DLight promo. A lot of people (myself included) are planning to stick with 3DLight for a while, and we should at least have a heads up of how things are going to look.
On the other hand, I know that for myself, I so rarely use the "ideal lights" that are used in Promo Renders, and have no problems switching HSS/UberSurface to AoA SubSurface on a regular basis (among other changes) that a 3DLight specific promo isn't going to be significantly more accurate than an Iray one when it comes to how accurate the promo is going to be compared to what I'm going to get as my final result.
So while I feel they're good to have, their lack isn't a deterrent for me.
i haven't bought a single new item since Ysabeau base.
i need a 3de promo And a mention in the product info if it includes a 3de shader set.
I would like as well to see at least one render in 3dl. I do not use iRay as I not only do not have an Nvida card but I am having terrible issues getting it to work right for me at least. Maybe one day when I actually have time to learn it but for the foreseeable future daz please at least for me include one render in 3DL. Thanks .
Yes would be very handy or if the product has both 3DL and Iray shaders for it so people have best of both worlds..
Well, I've been told that promo artists aren't allowed to use non-iray images in their renders. If that is the truth, I am highly disappointed, but may explain why we are only seeing iray images (at least mostly) now.
I don't think that is right as Jack's latest set http://www.daz3d.com/rosemill-moor are all 3DL renders
Perhaps it is a new rule? Seems not all images could be created recently.
I'm sure DAZ Will clarify this. I am interested to hear what is said.
As a PA, you can render in whatever Render engine you like. Most just prefer Iray because they feel they are getting nicer results in promos to show off their products:) However, if a product contains material presets for both 3DLight and Iray, I personally would like to see a render of each.
Interesting. Hmm. Wonder how this artist was under the impression that they are only allowed to render in Iray. This person seems pretty firm about it.
I hope DAZ will soon clarify this policy.
I do hope they keep 3DL as it allows more creativity as opposed to Realism. You can do a lot more in 3DL that won't be possible in Iray.
Well my next product for G2M will have promos rendered in 3DLight to match the female version promos since they were done in 3Dlight:)
That pleases me greatly Zev0! =-)
And I agree With Szark. I'm not hankering for uber realism in my artistic style... So I hope there continues to be room for both.
Pretty sure there will be room for both. If somebody releases a new 3DLight shader product they can't really render them using Iray:) And same goes for certain styles of renders. Sometimes Iray will be preferred over 3DLight and Vice Versa. Pretty sure in time most will mainly use Iray, but I see no reason why 3DLight renders should be banned in anyway if they still look good.
I prefer to use IRAY, but I like occasionally to try 3Dlight as it forces me to develop my skills.
So definitely feel there should be at least one promo from each render engine supported as the Daz supports both; if there isn't then it should state a render engine may not work as expected.
And how about the other software sold by daz3d? At least the daz originals....