Looking for Biblical Era Clothing
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Looking for Biblical Era Clothing. The type of clothing you'd see in a movie about the life of Jesus - specifically Judaic and 1st century Christian clothing - not Roman etc. clothes.
Thanks!
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https://www.daz3d.com/desert-robes-for-genesis-8-male-s
(Not my idea, found in https://www.daz3d.com/mix-n-match-nativity-poses-for-genesis-8)
These are the only things I cann remember.. Have a search through Meshitup's other items too
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-middle-eastern-outfit-for-genesis-8-females
https://www.daz3d.com/sacred-poses-for-g8f-and-textures-for-middle-eastern-outfit
I generally would recommend to check out meshitup's store here some of their products have been mentioned
everything else I remember is roman (Sickleyield)
And Israel was under Roman control at the time.
From Sickleyield's only the short tunic is usable for this. The long peplos and toga are too Greek and too Roman, respectively. Unless you wanted to do a Roman official. The only non-fantasy Roman soldier if you needed one is on that other store - dForce Roman Legion and dForce Classic Roman Armor for G8M.
For female clothing, this one would work: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-middle-eastern-outfit-for-genesis-8-females
This is pretty old but could be converted: https://www.daz3d.com/shepherd-for-m3
Right. The 'Christian' dress of the 1st to 5th centuries was predominantly Roman; in the Roman provinces this was usually dependent on the social class from which these early Christians came.
By the time of Jesus, the Judean upper class was almost exclusively Roman assimilated; they wore Roman clothes, gave themselves Roman names, and lived the Roman lifestyle - as did pretty much all the upper classes in the Roman provinces.
The common people from whom Jesus came wore mainly traditional clothing. Doing so was also somewhat of a political statement in Judea. Judea, like Britain and parts of Germania, was a 'rebellious' province; perhaps the most rebellious of all.
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By the time of the Nativity Judea was a client kingdom under local dynasty. By the time of the Crucifixion it was a fresh province, but not a full one. It was only governed by a prefect answering to governor of Syria.
The East was far more Hellenized than Romanized, especially the Herodian dynasty. Sickleyield Roman clothing isn't Roman. It's actually Greek. The shorter one is chiton, the longer one is peplos/female (longer) chiton. The only Roman item there is toga wrap. That one would only be worn by Romans. People on the countryside would wear a native dress, people in the larger cities would go with mixture of Hellenic, native and Roman (Roman classical cloth differs from Greek mostly by having sleeves).
You have historical reality, and you have cultural expectations. People have been conditioned by 2000 years of art to expect everyone to look a certain way, even if they didn't. They don't expect Jews to have blond hair and blue eyes, and they don't expect Christians dressed as Roman soldiers. Most people don't know the differences between Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. They expect Cleopatra to look like Eliazbeth Taylor, and Jesus to have long hair and a beard. They expect angels to have 2 wings, not the 6 wings described in the Bible.
They don't expect Jesus to look like a Jew, as has been discussed at length in another thread.
Actually, the impression I have is most angels in the Bible didn't have wings, and the 6-winged angel was a specialised one for that specific task. Most of the other angels, the normal-person only realised they were dealing with an angel when the angel did something impossible for a human... like levitate, or set some object afire by simply looking at it.... which means they didn't look any different than a normal human (i.e. no wings or halo or glow showing).
But yeah, most of our ideas about what Bible things, such as angels, looked like is from art that came many hundreds of years later, by people who didn't live in that era or in that part of the world. And the angels-had-two-wings thing was.... er.... borrowed from another ancient culture. >>giggles<<
You should look up Biblical descriptions of angels, because they are WILD. Most types of angels didn't even look vaguely human.
Yeah, some of the stuff I've heard told about angels (and about fallen angels) in more recent times strongly suggests angels can shape-shift, though. They'll look like whatever they need to to blend in or to perform the mission they're on without calling attention to themselves. And fallen-angels have been known to make themselves look like other persons or beings (i.e. local mythical creatures, or space-aliens, or Aunt Sally's ghost) to deceive people. But yup,, some of those angels in the Bible are just... off-the-wall wierd!
There's a reason the standard angel to human greeting is, "Be not afraid".
I just read the other day that the better translation for what was meant by what was said that got translated into English would be: Stop Screaming!!!
...fey? Classic ancient monsters?
Try wheels within wheels, eyes along the rim of each wheel.
...I read that description. Some were also depicted with animal heads on an animal body like a griffon or mantacore and sometimes with multiple ones. Cherubs were said to have 4 faces.
The 6 winged ones were seraphim's two of the wings which perpetually covered the eyes. so they couldn't behold the face of god.
Yup, and that bit was from some figure's dream or vision... and was meant to show him, by symbolism. at a glance, what the various angels there, spiritually were doing. Whether there literally were angels that actually did look like that, actually in Heaven, though... your guess is as good as mine.
...then there was Clarence, AS2
Imagine the show Touched By an Angel if THIS is the angel:
well this thread has gone off to a completly different tangent ...
Any more clothes ideas?
Since I found it hard to visualize a Judean society around that period that hasn't been tainted by propaganda, I thought to look up some references that might describe the articles of clothing and by that be able to select bits & pieces of what DAZ3D or Rendo or a freebie might have available.
The Clothing of Jews in the Time of Jesus
Biblical Clothing - this is a wikipedia article with bas-reliefs, sculptures and paintings. It also talks about fabrics.
What Did Jesus Wear
What Did Jesus Look Like - This is more an article on his historical depiction, but at the bottom, the author pulls from the Bible bits that describe his clothing and references 'soldiers'.
I always thought that was Roman soldiers, who actually crucified Jesus. So the Roman governor & soldiers would be in the mix as well.
As a note, I was stationed in Athens, and historically and today, the peoples of the eastern Mediterranean has a lot of commerce, wether by land or sea. So think Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, desert tribes...
I have some really old underwear... but they are probably more Sumerian... late Neolithic... the elastic is shot... but they still have a few more decades left in them.
What do you need them for?
Will I be able to have them back when you are done?
I confess that I only read the title, but that's usually more than enough to base a reply on.
haha I think they belong in a museum...or the trash.
Thanks for these links. I think if I kit-bash and take pieces of different outfits from some of the products listed in this thread, I can put together outfits that give the impression of being of the time of Jesus - like sandals from one outfit, a shawl from another outfit etc. And then texture them according to what a particular economic class could afford - I can arrive at a biblical look. What I want to avoid is dressing everyone in dirty cream coloured rags made of burlap - like a whole town full of stereotypical biblical clones. It's difficult, though, to avoid being influenced by the hundreds of renaissance paintings and Victorian idealizations.
Oh, anything Antiquity should be absolutely colorful because they haven't had many choices in how clothes were cut, so they were trying to diversify with colors. Pretty much any color except for purple because that one was so expensive only absolutely most important people could afford it.
Grays and shades of brown are pretty much everyday working clothes because that was achieved either leaving it undyed or dying it with cheap dyes like onion juice.
There was also lot of embroidery and even gilding used on fabrics.
This is Greek, but Rome or Judea weren't any less colorful:
Only purest white is prestigious kind of white because that was color of finest linen possible and even this was mixed with gold.
I bought a book at an Athens museum I think the title was - Cut of my Coat - or something like that. But the book is in a box now. Essentially it was about how clothing developed based on the width of looms available to a society. So, if you had a realitively narrow one, your silhouette would be narrow. The wider and tighter the weave, the more options you get, until the Industrial Revolution and large machines weaving cloth very tightly, that can be cut into crazy shapes.
Also keep in mind that is some religions or societies, the dyes permitted by caste was controlled by laws. In one of the references I read in the links it mentions that undyed cloth would have been worn by Jesus due to his role in his religion.
And I am not sure what you have for a background, but you might look at the medina environment.
Here you go.