Daz Website Improvements and Updates Discussion Thread
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My thoghts are that I really dislike the new product layout pages. I understand that change can sometimes take a while to get used to so I've been looking through the site for the past few days but if anything I dislike it more than when I first saw it.
One thing I do like about the change is the darker background pages. What I would prefer to see is the site use the previous layout but offer users the ability to view it in "dark mode" where the background is a dark gray to black with white text, as it is now. Just keep the previous page layout, it was so much better.
One thing I think many people would love to see is a list of products used to create each promotional image used for the product. If the product is an outfit I'd like to know what character, hair and background is used for each photo. I can't tell you the number of times I've fallen in love with the hair or character and tried finding it and failing. Links to those products could also be used in each promotional image to help cross promote sales to those other items.
I understand doing that would be very time consuming for older content but doing it for new products going forward would at least be a great improvement.
You got that right. I don't even log into most places on my phone. Only places I can think of off-hand that I'm logged into is Discord, Geico (for proof of car Insurance) and Google. I wish my account changed over so I can see what everyone is talking about but from some of the images I'm seeing I like some aspects and dislike others
I have not, as yet, been cursed with the new layout. But - from the example posted by tugespit above, I will complain long and loud on the trouble tickets when I get hit with it. If the goal is to create a mobile-friendly layout that's OK - but do not use the mobile-friendly layout on desktop systems. The current layout is very nicely presented with the large primary promotional image on the left balanced by the critical information (price, discount, artist, software, etc) on the right. There is no reason whatever to change this part of the product page.
They fixed the Wishlist icon for me, hooray, much better with the yellow. Still hoping for a fix for the 'New' status not showing anywhere on the product page or on wishlist thumbnails. Other than that, and it looks like it was designed for mobiles not desktop, I can live with it.
Edit - not sure if this would be linked to recent updates but the spell checker in the Forums is busted for me. Nothing comes up, just a blank window, and makes the page hang. I have to shut out and reload the page.
...as my new phone is synched with my home system I have full AV protection and still won't make a purchase from the phone. The only sites I usually access from the phone are ESPN, our city's transit system (bus tracker and trip planner), a weather app, a "get directions" app. I consider WiFi to be always vulnerable, particularly in public locations like coffee shops, pubs, and cafes where hackers tend to lurk All purchases at such places as well as retail and grocery store are done via debit card. rather than a mobile app. While our transit system has an app that lets you use your phone to pay a fare when boarding I still use the plastic fare card. which is actually more convenient as I can just pull the card out of my pocket tap it to the reader and go.
All online purchases are made though my home system which has a stout firewall, AV, and extra transaction protection.
A firm believer here in "safe shopping".
...I compose my posts in Word so I can run the spell checker with my custom dictionary and not have to worry about one of those seemingly all too frequent 502 errors causing me to lose what I wrote.
Pretty much this for me as well. In addition, online purchases are made with a credit card from a dferent credit union than the one with my finances. A credit card with a low credit limit monitored for unusual behavior by the issuer.
The phone is a phone, occasionally used to do a web lookup; I have a 5 GB data limit and never come close to hitting it. Its also quite good a dropping spam callers on the floor without bothering me.
(repost of my issue)
New product pages feel unpleasant for eyes.
First of all, i'll admit i'm among minority to whom "night" theme is worse than light/white theme. So that new "dark" look of product pages decreases visibility for me.
But what really makes me feel unpleasant and more important problem imho, is that harsh CONTRAST that is overdone with colours and intensity. I mean this:
That (very contrast) purple button on top of this dark grey background is just hurting.
If that purple thing would have less intensity/saturation or maybe different hue, it should become less harsh looking overall.
Here's a few comments based on my expereince in the web design field :
I personally really prefer the old product page, I received so much more info quickly in a readable, attractive layout.
IDK if it has already been suggested: how about an option to clear the whole wishlist at once so the customer can rebuild one which better fits his or her (changed) needs? E.g. for an advanced beginner who now better understands where to set his priorities, or sb who decided to change the genre he or she focuses on.
Pruning a wishlist with over 1000 items can be time consuming, and also DAZ could save some unnecessary traffic.
Thanks for this post, I hope DAZ' designers take this into consideration.
I fully agree with all points, namely the last one.
I much prefer the old light page design too, and the old layout as well. Maybe people could choose between a dark and a light theme at least?
That was my hope as well.
Dana
...even though it's been up for a while now I still feel I'm transported to the "other store".
Oh, and if an item was previously purchased, the notification should appear in red like it used to, not the same colour as a yet to be purchased item.
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Still getting black squares with "swirlies" that never seem to go away on store pages. It seems the further you page ahead, the more frequently it occurs and more persistent it is.(on page 14 of the current flash sale and have about a half dozen that haven't cleared for several minutes). Refreshing the page doesn't always work and sometimes I get the HTML version instead which is impossible to deal with.
Oh yeah and if possible please fix the Insert Horizontal Line tool in the forums so it doesn't add a bunch of empty lines above it. after a post is saved. The underline character is a bad option, in this font it looks like rubbish as it doesn't produce a solid line like it used to.
Speaking of swirlies, I'm getting them on some of the new-style product pages. On https://www.daz3d.com/normal-map-fusion-for-genesis-3-8-and-81 the items in "MORE BY ZEV0" show up normally, as do those in "YOU MAY ALSO LIKE", while those in "MORE BY BITWELDER" are nothing but swirls.
Maybe this annoying 'feature' only exists on Apple devices, but: Does Daz really call it an improvement when the turn function/page count is now only visible at the bottom of each shop page? So you have to scroll each page twice, which tends to discourage me from turning the page at all... Today I didn't look at the sale pages at all because I didn't want to put myself through this tedious scrolling...
I just got the "dark themed" website served up to me for the first time today.
The first thing I noticed was all the wasted space. The thing is, I'm on the store page to evaluate and buy products, not to be amazed by the web-dev team's cool artistic vision.
A more compact page display -- more information in a smaller space -- would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Olo
(edit: addendum) And could we ditch the orange bar at the top of the page that pops in a second or two after the page is rendered ? It moves the page elements so that whatever I'm about it click on is moved down out of range of the mouse pointer. It's obnoxious.
Finally... Been trying to get into the Forums since 7AM (my time) and now it's almost 6PM...
I've had the same problem. It's getting annoying.
As for the new store pages, no thank you. Please keep me on the old, light version as long as possible. Yuck.
The forum was down more than 12 hours yesterday, from sometime after noon to past 4 AM EST.
I flat out will not tolerate a black background with light text - I'll replace it at my end by overriding the DAZ version with my own.
I'm an old man who wears progressive lenses. "Dark Themes" may work for others but for me they just make the site and product pages harder to read. I can't seem to find a switch to flip the new design to having a light background. Have you considered how the "Dark Design" impacts the visually impared or those like myself who have difficulty with white fonts on dark backgrounds?
I hope you will provide a fix
If I'm not mistaking there is a extension for your browser that will allow you to change the color. I seem to remember trying it out but I can't remember what it was called. I foresee people trying to use one of those again. I had to use one several version of the forum ago cause it was so hard on the eyes. Maybe someone else can remember what the extension was called.
This is what a product page looks like in Safari for me:
If I click on the stretched image, I get a pop-up with the correct aspect ratio (and two copies of the main image).
Depends on the browser I guess. I have 2 for Microsoft Edge, both called Dark Reader (though they are different extensions). Give a toggleable button at the top of the browser to switch between light and dark.
They have been getting quite the workout swapping between the DAZ Store and Forum pages :)
...our transit system did sort of a similar thing with their site, making it more "flashy" but also more complicated. cumbersome, and time consuming to use. Originally to check the balance on my fare card, it only took me having to go to the site's the main "landing page" and then the fares page and sign in, but now there are a couple more hoops to jump through to get that information. The old trip planner used to be so simple and elegant but now you have to go through something like five different stages before you can get the information you need, and if you make a typo or other mistake you have to start all over again from scratch. Furthermore it no longer remembers your most often used Origin and Destination points so you have to manually enter them each and every time you use it. The bus tracker is by far the worst as it now had these useless maps that show where the bus is which takes up a more resources (particularly on a phone which is the most common used device to access it) slowing down the process of checking arrivals As again there are more steps involved compared to the old one it is very "phone unfriendly".
Like here, the "upgrade" they made tends to be the antonym of the definition.
What is the point of having a sort filter that claims to sort by "New Arrivals" only to find G2 and G3 products mixed in among G8? I don't buy G2 or G3 items these days, nor am I likely to, so I generally scroll down until I happen upon the first G3 product and assume that I have gone far enough into the past and can stop looking for G8 stuff.
I'm using Microsoft Edge and I do have the DAZ Deals browser add-on but I think that sort filter is DAZ original.
I'm getting the new product pages intermittently: perhaps they're only showing up for things I don't have already cached, or perhaps the Cloudflare cache is somehow involved. In any case, I get them for some products and not others.
I don't want to be that guy who carps about any changes, but on a desktop these are definitely not an improvement. They're harder to read, they feel disorganized, there's no efficient or natural use of space, body font sizes are oddly inconsistent, and so on. Zoomed out to maximum width, text in the Description section runs to about 180 characters per line: typographers recommend 50-60 characters per line for maximum readability, so this is about as painful to read as you might expect.
I hope that this is a work-in-progress, and that the final product will be different. Very, very different. Because otherwise using the DAZ site is going to become a painful experience (which will possibly have a measurable impact on sales).
Is that in sales categories? They’re often sorted by popularity using a parameter in the URL, even if the sort list says "new arrivals". Changing to another sort option then "new arrivals" again usually works.
This I assume is that irritating new habit of Daz sale pages including a sort order "Popular" in the url but claiming to be Sort By "New Arrivals". I now re-sort twice on every page I visit to (e.g.) Price High to Low, then back to New Arrivals to get the products in a better order.
50% of the time I like to sort by %age off (but that's from the Daz Deals add-on), occasionally I want to sort High to Low or Low to High (if I have a coupon to use) but I really don't care in the slightest what is "Most Popular" or "Trending Now"! (And if I did I'm perfectly capable of selecting that for myself.)
Oh thank you ... I wasn't aware of that (although I can't imagine how I might have figured that out had you not told me).