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NFT and the Future of Digital Content

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  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,460
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    @BlueFingers, have you tried buying gift cards instead of the products directly? That always works for me!

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    March 2021

    certaintree38 said:

    Even the people I know that like cryptocurrency think NFTs are a money laundering scam.

    Forty thousand USD for a NFT of a line drawing of Brooklyn Bridge by some 6-year old... Scam... Where did you get that idea? 

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,601
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Perhaps thats why the try Ethereum?  

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    March 2021

    @tsroemi Funny thing is, I tried buying a gift card when it stopped working.

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,811
    March 2021

    PerttiA said:

    certaintree38 said:

    Even the people I know that like cryptocurrency think NFTs are a money laundering scam.

    Forty thousand USD for a NFT of a line drawing of Brooklyn Bridge by some 6-year old... Scam... Where did you get that idea? 

    The John Cleese one?

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    March 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

    I think you are missing the point of the angst and heartache here.

    I can't count how many products I have bought in the past year that have had glaring quality issues. Issues that I spotted almost immediately.

    Or waiting for days or weeks for replies from Customer Support.

    I'm not taking this out on you, Richard. I know you're the messenger. I am hoping the messenger also works in reverse.

    I'm stunned that DAZ didn't anticipate the negative feedback they would receive for this. They should have considered it and had some sort of a plan for communication.

  • DAZ_RawbDAZ_Rawb Posts: 817
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Currently all of the NFT's are processed entirely in Ethereum, so you would have to add money to an etherum wallet and make the purchase on the ethereum chain.

     

    One of the plus sides of the Etthereum blockchain is that they have completed development on their ecologically friendly method of doing the blockchain. Instead of the current extremely wasteful proof-of-work (crypto mining, which needs a ton of energy so that people who don't trust each other can trust that everyone is doing hard work as proof than nobody is cheating the system) into proof-of-stake where you "ante" up your money and then process the transactions more like a normal computer doing some database work.

     

    P.S. If your Paypal isn't working with Daz and you aren't trying to buy any Cleopatra bundles please contact customer support, looking at the logs we have a lot of Paypal transactions coming through and processing without any issues, so there isn't a system-wide problem.

  • DAZ_RawbDAZ_Rawb Posts: 817
    March 2021

    Oh, for the ecologically friendly proof-of-stake, Ethereum has not moved over to it yet but are planning to sometime early this summer. Just want to be transparent about that.

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,460
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    @tsroemi Funny thing is, I tried buying a gift card when it stopped working.

    Oh sh...! Can't believe this hasn't been sorted out for you for over two weeks. Makes the NFT thingy seem really urgent and important, that sort of customer problem hanging around unresolved for such a long time ...

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    March 2021

    Jason Galterio said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

    I think you are missing the point of the angst and heartache here.

    I can't count how many products I have bought in the past year that have had glaring quality issues. Issues that I spotted almost immediately.

    Or waiting for days or weeks for replies from Customer Support.

    I'm not taking this out on you, Richard. I know you're the messenger. I am hoping the messenger also works in reverse.

    I'm stunned that DAZ didn't anticipate the negative feedback they would receive for this. They should have considered it and had some sort of a plan for communication.

    You're assuming there is a vision behind this. 

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    Jason Galterio said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

    I think you are missing the point of the angst and heartache here.

    I can't count how many products I have bought in the past year that have had glaring quality issues. Issues that I spotted almost immediately.

    Or waiting for days or weeks for replies from Customer Support.

    I'm not taking this out on you, Richard. I know you're the messenger. I am hoping the messenger also works in reverse.

    I'm stunned that DAZ didn't anticipate the negative feedback they would receive for this. They should have considered it and had some sort of a plan for communication.

    You're assuming there is a vision behind this. 

    I'm trying to be optimistic. :)

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    March 2021

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Currently all of the NFT's are processed entirely in Ethereum, so you would have to add money to an etherum wallet and make the purchase on the ethereum chain.

     

    One of the plus sides of the Etthereum blockchain is that they have completed development on their ecologically friendly method of doing the blockchain. Instead of the current extremely wasteful proof-of-work (crypto mining, which needs a ton of energy so that people who don't trust each other can trust that everyone is doing hard work as proof than nobody is cheating the system) into proof-of-stake where you "ante" up your money and then process the transactions more like a normal computer doing some database work.

     

    P.S. If your Paypal isn't working with Daz and you aren't trying to buy any Cleopatra bundles please contact customer support, looking at the logs we have a lot of Paypal transactions coming through and processing without any issues, so there isn't a system-wide problem.

    I'm already in contact with customer support, still waiting for an update. 

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,905
    March 2021
    Correct. While it's possible to enforce legal ways to prevent organizations from breaching copyright, when something is sold as an NFT, there is no way to REVERSE said NFT. This means there is no way to stop an art NFT from being sold further.

    I can think of one way you could discourage people from selling NFTs on your art. Remember that an NFT doesn't "contain" the artwork itself, but rather a pointer -- such as a URL -- to it. And if you happen to control that URL, you can, at any time, substitute something else for the original work. So if somebody happened to buy an unauthorized NFT on your heart-breakingly beautiful work of digital art, there's always a danger that they might one day come back to find that you'd replaced it with an 8-bit Microsoft Paint image that just says "YOU SUCK!" in crude, blocky graphics ...

    Of course the people selling NFTs on other people's work will catch on to this sooner or later, and might start copying the art they steal to servers they control. But then at least you have a copyright case against them.

    Personally, I think NFTs are likely to be a self-correcting problem. After the first few high-profile cases of someone minting an NFT on something they don't own, buyers will get wary. And as for NFTs in general, I suspect that after the initial hype dies down, interest will fall off quite rapidly. There's a case to be made that NFTs are little more than someone's attempt to monetize FOMO.

    I might be totally wrong about this. I might spend the rest of my life telling people "You know that Shudu NFT that just changed hands for sixty kajillion dollars? I was on that DAZ site back in the day, I could have bought that for next to nothing. But instead I chose to spend all my money on digital models of a squinty-looking lady alien and a guy in a steampunk wheelchair wearing a pickelhaube. What a fool I was!"

    But I'd be surprised.

     

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,460
    March 2021

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Currently all of the NFT's are processed entirely in Ethereum, so you would have to add money to an etherum wallet and make the purchase on the ethereum chain.

     

    One of the plus sides of the Etthereum blockchain is that they have completed development on their ecologically friendly method of doing the blockchain. Instead of the current extremely wasteful proof-of-work (crypto mining, which needs a ton of energy so that people who don't trust each other can trust that everyone is doing hard work as proof than nobody is cheating the system) into proof-of-stake where you "ante" up your money and then process the transactions more like a normal computer doing some database work.

     

    P.S. If your Paypal isn't working with Daz and you aren't trying to buy any Cleopatra bundles please contact customer support, looking at the logs we have a lot of Paypal transactions coming through and processing without any issues, so there isn't a system-wide problem.

    I appreciate your effort here, and also the efforts made by the Ethereum people, but unfortunately, 'less wasteful' is just not the same as ecologically-friendly'.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027
    March 2021

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Oh, for the ecologically friendly proof-of-stake, Ethereum has not moved over to it yet but are planning to sometime early this summer. Just want to be transparent about that.

    That's only a few months away, so why didn't you wait?

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,003
    March 2021

    I want it on record that although I may well be putting in an order today (for regular content, DEFINITELY not NFTs), that money is already tied up in non-refundable store credit, where it only benefits Daz and hurts the PAs to leave it sitting there.

    If Daz want me to consider refilling that store credit at any future point, they need to think very carefully about how dismissively and flippantly they are responding to the concerns of their customers regarding this deeply divisive matter, because "It's okay, LOL, some of you are better than Andy Warhol" is not the right way to restore customer confidence.

  • Wildman oSWildman oS Posts: 121
    March 2021

    I am staggered that this absurd NFT got beyond concept.

     

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,601
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    Jason Galterio said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

    I think you are missing the point of the angst and heartache here.

    I can't count how many products I have bought in the past year that have had glaring quality issues. Issues that I spotted almost immediately.

    Or waiting for days or weeks for replies from Customer Support.

    I'm not taking this out on you, Richard. I know you're the messenger. I am hoping the messenger also works in reverse.

    I'm stunned that DAZ didn't anticipate the negative feedback they would receive for this. They should have considered it and had some sort of a plan for communication.

    They did see that coming. That was potentially the reason why one of my early posts in this thread was silently removed. I usually get a heads up mail if a post has been removed by one of the admins. That post was just gone. And so were some others. 

    I also still have two products in the ticket queue that have not been touched by anyone since two(!) months. Premium customer servivce, I suppose.

    Post edited by Mark_e593e0a5 on March 2021
  • Daz_JessicaDaz_Jessica Posts: 155
    March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Paypal has been working fine, if you are having an issue, please reach out to customer service so they can look into it.  The issues with paypal were on the paypal side and they have assured us that they are resolved.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,095
    March 2021

    I have read the Diigitals verbiage, and... Understanding of any underlying rational thought eludes me. If my understanding is correct, what is on offer is a certificate of authenticity certifying that.. err.. nothing much in particular is authentic.

    It rather feels to me that abstraction has been taken to the illogical limit.

    Can someone stop the world? I want to get off, if this is what is considered rational in this one.

  • Daz_JessicaDaz_Jessica Posts: 155
    March 2021

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Jason Galterio said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

    I think you are missing the point of the angst and heartache here.

    I can't count how many products I have bought in the past year that have had glaring quality issues. Issues that I spotted almost immediately.

    Or waiting for days or weeks for replies from Customer Support.

    I'm not taking this out on you, Richard. I know you're the messenger. I am hoping the messenger also works in reverse.

    I'm stunned that DAZ didn't anticipate the negative feedback they would receive for this. They should have considered it and had some sort of a plan for communication.

    They did see that coming. That was potentially the reason why one of my early posts in this thread was silently removed. I usually get a heads up mail if a post has been removed by one of the admins. That post was just gone. And so were some others. 

    I also still have two products in the ticket queue that have not been touched by anyone since two(!) months. Premium customer servivce, I suppose.

    Can you please let me know your ticket numbers?  Customer service has had a backlog due to Covid, but it's certainly not two months, we'd be happy to look into it. 

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,398
    March 2021

    certaintree38 said:

    droidy001 said:

    I'm trying here From what I understand an nft identifies something as being legit. So I create an asset or piece of digital art, the nft says this is the original.

    No. It does not mean it's legit. It's just an electronic receipt. You can still make a receipt for stolen goods.

    (Sorry if this was already brought up, can't stand to read 4 more pages.)

    Speaking of this (and earlier related comments), what about the Nazgul+Unlockable https://opensea.io/assets/0x63e0eab409f1c1e737aad225003d709b57dbe9e5/4 featured on that brand spanking new NFT page? Has Daz made legal arrangements with Prof. Tolkien's estate to use that? Tolkien's estate isn't quite Disney level when it comes to protecting IPs, but they've never been laissez faire about it either. There's a very good reason why D&D's "giant, sentient, talking trees" have been called "treants," not "Ents" for 40+ years but licensed Lord of the Rings RPGs can use "Ent."*

    And please don't get me started on whoever conflated Tolkien's works with the Bible book The Revelations of St. John the Divine on the description of this "product." (Both were written by Christians but they are not the same.)

    *D&D, Daz, and lots of others may use "halfling" and "orc" because those terms exist in real world folklore unlike "Hobbit" and "Uruk-hai." 

     

  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727
    March 2021

    I will have nothing to do with this.

  • tskmetskme Posts: 25
    March 2021 edited March 2021

     

    Speaking of this (and earlier related comments), what about the Nazgul+Unlockable https://opensea.io/assets/0x63e0eab409f1c1e737aad225003d709b57dbe9e5/4 featured on that brand spanking new NFT page? Has Daz made legal arrangements with Prof. Tolkien's estate to use that? Tolkien's estate isn't quite Disney level when it comes to protecting IPs, but they've never been laissez faire about it either. There's a very good reason why D&D's "giant, sentient, talking trees" have been called "treants," not "Ents" for 40+ years but licensed Lord of the Rings RPGs can use "Ent."*

     

    I tried to raise awareness about the issue and daz shooting themselves into their foot with those NFT on the blog. However, currently, the blog is swallowing all comments. 

    Which also brings me back to my initial question of how to DELETE an NFT once it's out.

    Post edited by tskme on March 2021
  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    March 2021
    If someone buys an NFT do they have the right to put it on their corporate website? I'm just curious about what rights are actually being sold here.
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,921
    March 2021

    certaintree38 said:

    If someone buys an NFT do they have the right to put it on their corporate website? I'm just curious about what rights are actually being sold here.

    I think so, but remember that the NFT isn't the image (or whatever) itself.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    certaintree38 said:

    If someone buys an NFT do they have the right to put it on their corporate website? I'm just curious about what rights are actually being sold here.

    I think so, but remember that the NFT isn't the image (or whatever) itself.

    So again...what is the point exactly, short of scamming people on buying nothing? If I want a piece of artwork, wouldn't both myself and the artist be better served if I licensed the piece directly from the artist? This still makes no sense to me...and I'm being told it makes no sense exactly because I'm trying to apply logic to something that has no logic.  

    Post edited by MelissaGT on March 2021
  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    March 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    certaintree38 said:

    If someone buys an NFT do they have the right to put it on their corporate website? I'm just curious about what rights are actually being sold here.

    I think so, but remember that the NFT isn't the image (or whatever) itself.

    See, this is where the confusion is Richard. You are contrradicting yourself.

    Earlier you said that DAZ will not sell gallery images.

    Now you're agreeing with most of us by saying that DAZ isn't selling images, they are selling the NFTs,

    This is the information that should have be finalized and approved, then posted when this whole affair began.

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    March 2021

    Daz_Jessica said:

    BlueFingers said:

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Paypal has been working fine, if you are having an issue, please reach out to customer service so they can look into it.  The issues with paypal were on the paypal side and they have assured us that they are resolved.

    It would have been nice to have heard this from customer support whom i've been in contact with and prommised to update me as soon as the issues we're resolved. Look, I am not angry with the customer facing folks, you guys have a tough job, but being a Daz customer is quite frustrating as well.

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 588
    March 2021

    I was amused by the NFT that was created when someone burned a 'Banksy'. There again I've never seen a Banksy that I believe was worth more than the material it was painted on.

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