true
    • Shop
    • NFT
    • Technology
    • Community
      • Gallery
      • Masterclass
      • In the Studio
      • Forums
      • Press
      • Blog
    • Help
    • Download Studio
  • Shop
  • NFT
  • Technology
  • Community
  • Help
  • Download Studio
  • Our Community
  • Gallery
  • Masterclass
  • In the Studio
  • Forums
  • Press
  • Blog
Loading...
    • Categories
    • Recent Discussions
Daz 3D Forums > General > Non-Fungible Token (NFT) Art

NFT and the Future of Digital Content

«1…3456789…53»

Comments

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,533
    March 2021

    I think that two days seminar at DAZland titled "How to lose your professional credibility within 30 minutes" was a great success.

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,755
    March 2021

    droidy001 said:

    I heard it said last night crypto is everything you don't understand about money combined with everything you don't understand about computers.

    John Oliver (or his writing team) came up with that one, if I remember correctly. And he's not wrong.

    My other favorite cryptocurrency definition comes from someone who apparently goes by the handle "white smoke gamer pope" and is:

           imagine if keeping your car idling 24/7 produced solved Sudokus you could trade for heroin

     

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,267
    March 2021

    Carola O said:

    I am genuinly concern what this will mean for MY gallery here... will I risk someone deciding to steal one of my images or part of it to make one if these things?? (I Know I am not a good artist, but still...)

    I'm also rather amused about the Nazgul one.. after all, Nazgul is (as far as I am aware, I may be wrong though) copyrighted to those that owns Tolkiens stuff, and I'm pretty sure that can be rather expensive for whoever sells it as this...

    well I saw someone posted on one of the daz facebook groups they found out someone was selling copies of their art as pngs claiming it as there art, actually someone asked to do that with some of my art changing it slightly and in return they may credit me after that I added the da water markto all my renders there as well as my sig being in mostly in areas hard to cut out or hide without wrecking the render

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 974
    March 2021

    melissastjames said:

    I still don't understand what they are. Like, is there an actual piece of artwork involved? How would that change my interaction with Joe Customer ordering a commission for their book cover or wanting to commission me for a piece of fanart? They give me $$$ in exchange for my labor in creating a piece of artwork they've commissioned. I get money, and they get the artwork (I give them access to download the full-sized .png from Mega). I don't understand how that can be digitized into something that doesn't exist. They are saving a copy of the finished piece that nobody else has access to, short of myself (the artist), but they can do whatever they want with their copy...save it, delete it, print it and hang it on a wall...anything they want short of claiming it to be their own work. My head hurts. :(

    For me the easiest way to think of it is that they're not collecting the artwork, they're collecting unique transaction receipts. The artist agrees to associate their art with a specific number of unique transactions, and the buyer gets to say they purchased that verifiable personal connection to the artwork.

    There is no value outside of this transaction apart from things like the buyer having their name associated with a famous piece forever, or being able to say they're the owner, kind of like a rich person donating tons of money to a university just to get their name on a building. That's why it's so unlikely that this will ever help small artists, because a unique transaction with nothing famous attached to it is just a number. It's also why the system depends on people hyping it up, because if no one knows or cares what an NFT is it's also just a number. 

    I've compared it to adoptables, where an artist creates a premade character design and then grants a single person permission to use it, sometimes in exchange for hundreds of dollars or more. But there are tangible benefits for the buyer in that case because they're essentially purchasing a license for personal use, and even the more expensive ones are pretty cheap for a unique design. 

    Maybe for some of the NFT collectors possessing that transaction has sentimental value, but it's worth noting that a lot of techie people who are into this stuff firmly believe we're on the cusp of a "metaverse" in which people will develop full digital identities and lives online and in virtual space. Should that future ever come to pass (narf) owning uniquely-mathed-upon virtual art gains social currency just because that's how people are. 

  • Carola OCarola O Posts: 3,764
    March 2021

    I always sign my work, trying to put it in places where it can't be easily removed as well as making it discreet. Still... Perhaps it's time to pull everything and just give up on this

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,081
    March 2021

    WOW, not only do we have daz making a truly near sighted money grab attempt by jumping on the NFT bandwagon, we have mods making snarky comments further muddying this how debacle. Way to go daz, way to prove you are completely out of touch with your customers. 

  • tskmetskme Posts: 25
    March 2021

    The issue with NFT (and crypto) is not WHAT they do but HOW they do it. While having a noncentral registration is desirable for currency, the sheer amount of waste necessary for the algorithm is amoral at this point.

    I am not sure that noncentral registration for art is a good thing, though. It enables too much fraud since there is no mechanism of unraveling or healing a crime.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,647
    March 2021

    Not touching this NFT bandwagon with a ten foot pole (or any other tall Eastern European). Collecting expensive receipts is an even worse hobby than collecting 3D content and not rendering it.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 974
    March 2021

    Yeah, I can't shop here anymore if they're going to do this. I'll hope it's a temporary gimmick but man, this sucks. I'm already exhausted with services I have to use on a professional basis Pivoting™ constantly. 

  • KomodoVRKomodoVR Posts: 98
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    I think that two days seminar at DAZland titled "How to lose your professional credibility within 30 minutes" was a great success.

    Someone should make this an NFT.

    CertificateOfAchievement1.png
    952 x 735 - 69K
    Post edited by KomodoVR on March 2021
  • tskmetskme Posts: 25
    March 2021

    also, did you disable comments on the blog?

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,390
    March 2021

    tskme said:

    also, did you disable comments on the blog?

    There's a comment there, I think they're just moderating them and weeding out the rants. I DO NOT envy Richard today. 

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 6,362
    March 2021

    The problem isn't not understanding it, it comes when you do understand it and it still is stupid.

    The underpinnings are that its based on trust, and it's apparent invulnerability, and if you think there aren't legions of people and organizations out there working out how to render that invulnerability null and void, you haven't paid attention to every other invulnerability claim throughout history, let alone the past couple of decades.

    It not a sustainable concept, for many reasons, not the least of which is its environmental and infrastructure vulnerability, but also because once some bad, greedy actor majorly games the system the trust is broken and the bubble bursts.

    But that's still a ways off... so I suppose, party while you can, but have the sense to read the room right and know when to show yourself out.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,791
    March 2021

    Each NFT is like a mini art auction. It's just that there are so many NFTs even now and there will be way more that it won't be unlike you buying a painting of some unknown local artist. If you're hoping to sell this painting later, its uniqueness won't do much if nobody knows this random painter. As an investment this would be a questionable endevaour based on hopes that anyone else will care about his art.

    You could buy it just because you like it of course, but yeah this won't have the same appeal as a painting that you can hang on your wall. I mean, I guess there could be blockchain-veryified digital picture frames that let you show off all the NFT art you own, who knows? It's all a little weird to think about now. I don't think you can fault any company involved in digital art for trying to get a piece of the cake though. Why wouldn't they? As strange as it all seems now, it's the latest craze so better tip your toes in it and see where it goes.

    Or imagine a world where we spend a lot of time in VR and in virtual homes of people. There you could see NFTs on the wall. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 34,985
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    I have a limited time screen capture I am willing to auction, but I want DAZ gift cards cheeky

    Brooklyn Bridge.JPG
    1920 x 1040 - 272K
    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on March 2021
  • ihavednaihavedna Posts: 17
    March 2021 edited March 2021
    I avoid the forums like the plague, but this is a serious ethical violation that I hope we all continue to speak up on. I made a post to the blog which I don't think will get approved, so I will share it here:

    -----

    No... thats not what this article is doing, Admin. This article and ones you've planned to come after it are capitalizing on a current trending topic in hopes of profiting off of an unethical and ecologically damaging practice.

    This article has completely sidestepped any and all criticism of the subject here in your first introductory post. Even if it did mention how bad the entire system is for long term economic health, if you then went on to become an educator on the subject, you enable its use.

    By being a purveyor of information on the subject, you become a supporter of a destructive system.

    You made a choice to publish an article that makes NFTs fun and exciting instead of making an ethical decision to speak out against the practice. You can't just offset your NFT carbon, Admins. The entire cryptocurrency economy is about creating heat and energy waste to create profit with no other redeemable qualities of 'work'.

    Please, take a stance AGAINST Crypto instead of supporting it. Buck the trend and don't chase that money. The internet doesn't need another person explaining NFTs and enabling their creation is use. The internet needs more companies with strong communities to speak out against the practice.

    ----

    I think the biggest middle finger of this whole announcement was changing the site navigation to prioritize NFTs over community content like the gallery. Kind of mindblowing
    Post edited by ihavedna on March 2021
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 6,585
    March 2021

    bluejaunte said:

    Or imagine a world where we spend a lot of time in VR and in virtual homes of people. There you could see NFTs on the wall. 

    Paying crazy money for virtual stickers on virtual guns... 

  • NathNath Posts: 2,647
    March 2021

    I posted a question to the blog to ask how DAZ can protect the works in the galleries from having NFTs sold for them by people who are not the artist. I don't expect to see it - or get a satisfactory answer.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 6,362
    March 2021

    FirstBastion said:

    So what you have to do now is snap a screen shot of your post before it gets erased from existence and then you can monetize that snap in the future cause there will only ever be that one instance of evidence.

    Theroretically, one could hold said post hostage too...

    Leave $25 in $5 Taco Bell gift cards in an unmarked briefcase under the overpass by the railroad tracks or I sell the post to highest bidder.

    Actually... make that $30 in Taco Bell cards and one large bottle of Pepto Bismol.

    If you can't get Taco Bell cards, a briefcase full of bacon will do.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 88,591
    March 2021

    Nath said:

    I posted a question to the blog to ask how DAZ can protect the works in the galleries from having NFTs sold for them by people who are not the artist. I don't expect to see it - or get a satisfactory answer.

    I don't think there's anything anyone can do to stop someone creating an NFT - but that applies to all other abuses of copyright, I've seen people taking Daz promo images (and probably gallery iamges or images from social media) and selling it as cover art, for example. But as far as I read the license Daz doesn't have any title to resell gallery, or other, artwork so they are not going to take your work without permission and NFT it.

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,081
    March 2021

    SnowSultan said:

    tskme said:

    also, did you disable comments on the blog?

    There's a comment there, I think they're just moderating them and weeding out the rants. I DO NOT envy Richard today. 

     Nah this is just karma

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,264
    March 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Nath said:

    I posted a question to the blog to ask how DAZ can protect the works in the galleries from having NFTs sold for them by people who are not the artist. I don't expect to see it - or get a satisfactory answer.

    I don't think there's anything anyone can do to stop someone creating an NFT - but that applies to all other abuses of copyright, I've seen people taking Daz promo images (and probably gallery iamges or images from social media) and selling it as cover art, for example. But as far as I read the license Daz doesn't have any title to resell gallery, or other, artwork so they are not going to take your work without permission and NFT it.

    It would be nice if Daz made that explicit. 

  • NathNath Posts: 2,647
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    Sevrin said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Nath said:

    I posted a question to the blog to ask how DAZ can protect the works in the galleries from having NFTs sold for them by people who are not the artist. I don't expect to see it - or get a satisfactory answer.

    I don't think there's anything anyone can do to stop someone creating an NFT - but that applies to all other abuses of copyright, I've seen people taking Daz promo images (and probably gallery iamges or images from social media) and selling it as cover art, for example. But as far as I read the license Daz doesn't have any title to resell gallery, or other, artwork so they are not going to take your work without permission and NFT it.

    It would be nice if Daz made that explicit. 

    But, as I understand NFTs, copyright is irrelevant to creating an NFT for a work and selling the NFT - since the buyer only acquires the NFT, and it is not the original work being sold.

    To be honest, I'd be surprised if DAZ itself were to sell NFTs for works in the galleries, but any passerby could do so if they like the work or its commercial potential enough. And yeah, anyone can copy stuff in there now and flog it wherever they like too... but you could at least pursue them and maybe get the copyright violation taken down from one or two sites. With NFTs, as far as I can see, copyright to the original work doesn't give you any rights at all.

     

    Post edited by Nath on March 2021
  • tskmetskme Posts: 25
    March 2021

    SnowSultan said:

    tskme said:

    also, did you disable comments on the blog?

    There's a comment there, I think they're just moderating them and weeding out the rants. I DO NOT envy Richard today. 

    Looks like no comment is even posted other than that initial one. This means any constructive discussion is choked off right off the bat.
    I don't envy Richard after Daz opened Pandoras box either

  • tskmetskme Posts: 25
    March 2021 edited March 2021

    Nath said:

    But, as I understand NFTs, copyright is irrelevant to creating an NFT for a work and selling the NFT - since the buyer only acquires the NFT, and it is not the original work being sold.

     

    Correct. While it's possible to enforce legal ways to prevent organizations from breaching copyright, when something is sold as an NFT, there is no way to REVERSE said NFT. This means there is no way to stop an art NFT from being sold further.

    Post edited by tskme on March 2021
  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,533
    March 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Nath said:

    I posted a question to the blog to ask how DAZ can protect the works in the galleries from having NFTs sold for them by people who are not the artist. I don't expect to see it - or get a satisfactory answer.

    I don't think there's anything anyone can do to stop someone creating an NFT - but that applies to all other abuses of copyright, I've seen people taking Daz promo images (and probably gallery iamges or images from social media) and selling it as cover art, for example. But as far as I read the license Daz doesn't have any title to resell gallery, or other, artwork so they are not going to take your work without permission and NFT it.

    I would read the galery TOS sentence

     Other than its rights in the User Creative, User shall have no right, title, ownership or other interest in any Combined Work. 

    as: if we do not change anything, you have all the rights. If we do, then you are out. So, if my artwork is used for any "combined work" and that combined work is then NFTed, I am on the losing side. 

  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 273
    March 2021
    In an alternate universe Daz and Diigitals collaborated on an exclusive range of assets to be be sold in the store which was a huge success.
  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 974
    March 2021

    tskme said:

    SnowSultan said:

    tskme said:

    also, did you disable comments on the blog?

    There's a comment there, I think they're just moderating them and weeding out the rants. I DO NOT envy Richard today. 

    Looks like no comment is even posted other than that initial one. This means any constructive discussion is choked off right off the bat.
    I don't envy Richard after Daz opened Pandoras box either

    That comment is mine, FWIW it took a day or so to get approved. 

    I really had some hope after that response that they'd be taking things slowly. More fool me, I guess. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 1,996
    March 2021

    Here's a fun idea: There is actually nothing to prevent people from assigning different NFTs to linked copies of the same art. You could possibly have a large number of NFTs for Nyan Cat because each NFT is unique, but the artwork can be anything or nothing.

  • ironclawxiiironclawxii Posts: 172
    March 2021

    So how does this effect people who just want to make renders for fun? Not at all, or somewhat?

    A few users mentioned possibly having to pay royalties for using Daz products. Is this for real? Lol.

«1…3456789…53»
This discussion has been closed.
Adding to Cart…

Daz 3D is part of Tafi

Connect

DAZ Productions, Inc.
224 S 200 W, Suite #250
Salt Lake City, UT 84101

HELP

Contact Us

Tutorials

Help Center

Sell Your 3D Content

Affiliate Program

Documentation Center

Open Source

JOIN DAZ

Blog

About Us

Press

Careers

Bridges

Enterprise Licenses

Community

In the Studio

Gallery

Forum

DAZ STORE

Shop

Daz+

Freebies

Published Artists

Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA

© 2023 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.