Gack! Even Stonemason has done it! Big issue with space environments.

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  • edited February 2020
    Gordig said:

    To be fair, it definitely has a Galaxy Far, Far Away feel to it, and those movies (if I remember correctly) have a lot of exposed cables everywhere, especially the Millenium Falcon. (But yes, I agree, it is most definitely a safety hazzard given up to the aesthetic gods. But again, how many warrior women do we see strutting around in stilletos in the store? ;))

    In the Star Trek 2009 reboot, I STILL can't figure out why the Narada had pools of water AND loose wiring running everywhere in that lower level.  BAD, BAD storytelling, JJ.  That's just as lazy as all that damned lens flare.

    There's actually a long and storied tradition of wet spaceships, going back at least to the original Alien, and it's never made a lick of sense.

    As far as Abrams goes, I watched Mission: Impossible - Fallout last night, and the lens effects were so ubiquitous and distracting that I couldn't believe Abrams didn't actually direct it. Still, his stank is all over the photography, because director Christopher McQuarrie didn't do that on Jack Reacher.

    I'm not sure that this would actually be all that far fetched in a very large spaceship for moisture to collect and rain down in a spaceship like the Nostromo, although probably not to the extent shown in the movie.  I used to work in the large dirigible hangars in Tustin, Ca.  The cement floors down the middle of the hangars were always wet in the summer because water vapor would collect and condense inside at the top of the hangar domes and form a continious dripping down onto the floor below.  On some days, it was almost like being in a light rain.  If someone had to work in the middle of a hangar, they would often get wet from the constant dripping from the roof above.

    In any type of large complex structure such as a large spaceship, there would be a vast array of heaters, AC units, heat exchangers, motors, gearing, fluid lines, etc, all of which would generate condensation, and/or heat, and water vapor which would all rise and get trapped at the top of large open areas.  Also, things simply leak.  If the existing air moisture removal equipment (the types which exists in every large naval vessel engine room already today) were to fail or run at reduced efficiency guaranteed the place would get very wet.

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  • I think the cables and pipes come from H.R. Giger, and it just caught on.

    But water?  Still not getting that one.

    To Stonemason:  Thank you for making cables props.

    The water is easily explained. You're talking about the room Brett dies in. That room is basically a chamber that holds one of the landing gear. You can actually see it behind him. That gear and that room were exposed to the different temperatures on the planet. The water is just an extreme case of condensation after the ship took off combined with age and lack of maintenance. Or more realistically, they had other things to worry about. First the damage to more important systems and then later the 8 foot tall Xenomorph XX121 that was stalking them all.

  • Show not TellShow not Tell Posts: 206
    edited February 2020

    This is actually very clever marketing. Space Tarzan character for G3M/G8M is about to be released. And Space Tarzan is gonna love swinging from those cables with his space chimp !

     

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  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,223

    I think the water in Alien,and the same for most films where they do a wet down..is it just looks cool on film,Alien has so much backlighting going on that the wet look creates some pretty cool looking highlights.

    and the reason for cables in my scifi environments..is they just look cool,it's up to you guys to create your own story around the environments.

    and as mentioned they are seperate props.so switch them off if you don't like them.it may be a trope to add cables to a scifi set,ditto for adding lots of little LED lights but it works well visualy and creates the 'feel' that I'm looking for.

  • ...and screens

    do we really think in the future everything will be full of LED screens?

    maybe holograms but likely the end user will have an implant in their brains and bypass the optic nerves altogether

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,334
    Ascania said:

    The factory spec cable channels ran out of room three refits ago. The upgraded sensor links pick up so much noise from the network traffic that their wiring had to be completely rerouted. The air circulation system had been adapted from the 03 series. It doesn't play nice with with either the bulkhead nor the coolant system layout and unless you spend half the power budget on additional fans and dehumidifiers for those corners you'll have condensation issues. Could we run on lower overall humidity? Technically yes, practically we'd run out of functioning crew pretty soon.

     

    Oh, those cables? A temporary fix to keep us running until the company finds it in their budget to give us the dock time to put in something more permanent.

    Thank you.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861
    jardine said:

    me too.

    they keep the environment from seeming too pristine or stark or abstract.  stonemason's an artist. 

    and as he's pointed out, if you don't like them, you can get them out of the way with a click.

    j

    ...yes

  • I think the water in Alien,and the same for most films where they do a wet down..is it just looks cool on film,Alien has so much backlighting going on that the wet look creates some pretty cool looking highlights.

    and the reason for cables in my scifi environments..is they just look cool,it's up to you guys to create your own story around the environments.

    and as mentioned they are seperate props.so switch them off if you don't like them.it may be a trope to add cables to a scifi set,ditto for adding lots of little LED lights but it works well visualy and creates the 'feel' that I'm looking for.

    in Alien and other movies the below decks were very hot areas too so lots of condensation down below and being old ships and often just patched up

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,097
    edited February 2020
    Gordig said:

    Go back and look for photos of the insides of the Russian Mir (Мир) space station.  They routinely had cables and hoses running through hatchways.

     

    And where is the Mir space station now?

    Exactly.

    It is no longer one peace.  (it's a Russian/English pun)

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  • I really am a retired sailor, I served on two nuclear submarines.  The issue with cables going through water-tight hatches is the inability to shut the hatch during a flooding casualty which puts the ship in danger because the flooding cannot be contained.  I would imagine that loss of hull integrity would be the matching scenario in space, the danger of a fouled hatch being the inabilty to isolate decompression to a single compartment.

    In terms of Stonemason's latest environment, looks really good!  Keep up the good work.

  • do we really think in the future everything will be full of LED screens?

    No one knows. The future is NEVER easy to predict and is always a projection forward of present time(s).

    That's why you can tell a sci-fi movie from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond. Even you - you're sitting here thinking holograms could be a thing of the future, where they may very well...not....be..used...at all.

    If a sheet of paper becomes a "tablet" and the projection system becomes (more) workable, your 'compuer screen' might be a projection from a port at the end of your keyboard...or even your keyboard is a projection onto a touch-surface.

    We have that now. Everything projected onto a flat surface. Remember home projector - entertainment systems- they are/were STILL bigger than the biggest flatscreens.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,600

    No one knows. The future is NEVER easy to predict and is always a projection forward of present time(s).

    That's why you can tell a sci-fi movie from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond.

    I just rewatched Blade Runner last night, and it took place....three months ago. Yeah, we're not quite there on flying cars, or replicants, or fully three-dimensional imaging that you can navigate around like a scene in DS.

    Sometimes, one of the funniest details about futurism is what old tech they keep around. Look at 5th Element: the climax of the movie centers around using matches.

  • Gordig said:

    No one knows. The future is NEVER easy to predict and is always a projection forward of present time(s).

    That's why you can tell a sci-fi movie from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond.

    I just rewatched Blade Runner last night, and it took place....three months ago. Yeah, we're not quite there on flying cars, or replicants, or fully three-dimensional imaging that you can navigate around like a scene in DS.

    Sometimes, one of the funniest details about futurism is what old tech they keep around. Look at 5th Element: the climax of the movie centers around using matches.

    WHAT!  No micro-plutonium reactors on a stick?  surprise

  • LucielLuciel Posts: 475

    ...and screens

    do we really think in the future everything will be full of LED screens?

    maybe holograms but likely the end user will have an implant in their brains and bypass the optic nerves altogether

    There's already eye pointing lazory thingies (technical term) that project a screen directly into your eyeball without implants though! ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_retinal_display )

    So probably something along those lines.

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855
    Gordig said:

    Go back and look for photos of the insides of the Russian Mir (Мир) space station.  They routinely had cables and hoses running through hatchways.

     

    And where is the Mir space station now?

    Exactly.

    It was designed for a five-year lifespan. It lived for fifteen.

  • Mystarra said:

    more importantly, does the capt chair swivel?

     

    dunno but if not, convert to figure and add bones for rigging.

    I've even rigging buttons and levers on the control panels on other props like Antaris Starship

  • namffuak said:

    Something that just bugs the ever-lovin' out of me - spacecraft or dwellings in hostile envvironments wit loose cables, ducting, or piping just lying on the deck waiting to be tripped over and absolutely NO sign of battle damage or other reason for what MUST be an emergency repair. And if these run through any automatic blast or pressure door there should be a crew member stationed at that door prepared to cut anything running through it immediately. If I were the captain of this starship I'd give Enginering four hours to rout those cables under the deck or secure them out of the way and cover them so they couldn't be stepped on or tripped over.

    Apologies, @Stonemason - your new set just ended up being the final straw - and if the cables can be hidden it isn't that big an issue on the product.

    I blame Alien. They had dripping water and almost zero light. Granted it was a seldom used cargo hold but a starship generates enough extra power to light a planet. Just cheap theatrics to make it scary. I fell asleep.

  • zmkzmk Posts: 20

    'Artistic choice' is the only reason anyone really needs for any kind of explanation. If it fulfils the vision and design goals, then it fits, and the artist definitely doesn't have to explain himself for it.

  • As for pools and drips of water showing up somewhere in a spaceship, it can also depend on how large a given space is, too.  I remember reading many years ago that that huge assembly-building at NASA was litrereally big enough inside that it sometimes had clouds forming inside, had its own weather system even, and at times it was actually raining inside the building from that.

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,905
    In the Star Trek 2009 reboot, I STILL can't figure out why the Narada had pools of water AND loose wiring running everywhere in that lower level.  BAD, BAD storytelling, JJ.  That's just as lazy as all that damned lens flare.

    In the sci-fi spoof "Galaxy Quest", there's a scene where the protagonists have to run through a set of "chompers" that have been built into a spacecraft for no reason that anyone can explain.

    According to Wikipedia, the "chompers" were actually a reference to a scene from "Event Horizon" featuring some whirling knives, but they could stand in for any of the other random OSHA violations that lazy screenwriters like to build into their spacecraft to add some cheap tension.

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