Gack! Even Stonemason has done it! Big issue with space environments.
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Something that just bugs the ever-lovin' out of me - spacecraft or dwellings in hostile envvironments wit loose cables, ducting, or piping just lying on the deck waiting to be tripped over and absolutely NO sign of battle damage or other reason for what MUST be an emergency repair. And if these run through any automatic blast or pressure door there should be a crew member stationed at that door prepared to cut anything running through it immediately. If I were the captain of this starship I'd give Enginering four hours to rout those cables under the deck or secure them out of the way and cover them so they couldn't be stepped on or tripped over.
Apologies, @Stonemason - your new set just ended up being the final straw - and if the cables can be hidden it isn't that big an issue on the product.
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yeah my work OHS person would have freaked
all power points dangled from the ceiling and if extension cords used they could not touch the floor or impede movement, we had to string them over racks, machinery etc and place a large warning plaque if crossed a walkway for people to duck, go another way etc
To be fair, it definitely has a Galaxy Far, Far Away feel to it, and those movies (if I remember correctly) have a lot of exposed cables everywhere, especially the Millenium Falcon. (But yes, I agree, it is most definitely a safety hazzard given up to the aesthetic gods. But again, how many warrior women do we see strutting around in stilletos in the store? ;))
Yeah, but the first time the audience sees the Millennium Falcon, it is referred to as a "piece of junk", and it takes a lot of damage over the course of the series. There are multiple jokes about how dangerous all that exposed wiring is.
In the Star Trek 2009 reboot, I STILL can't figure out why the Narada had pools of water AND loose wiring running everywhere in that lower level. BAD, BAD storytelling, JJ. That's just as lazy as all that damned lens flare.
There's actually a long and storied tradition of wet spaceships, going back at least to the original Alien, and it's never made a lick of sense.
As far as Abrams goes, I watched Mission: Impossible - Fallout last night, and the lens effects were so ubiquitous and distracting that I couldn't believe Abrams didn't actually direct it. Still, his stank is all over the photography, because director Christopher McQuarrie didn't do that on Jack Reacher.
I think some set dressing is supposed to be pastiche, paying homage to genre convention, rather than logical. But I feel ya.
I really like the set though.
Wouldn't want to walk over all that floor grating with the stiletto heels on some of the sci fi oufits...
I think you are going to have to have a long talk with those international space station guys...
but then there is the zero gravity and no stilletto thing
I, for one, love the level of detail. That's been a problem for 3D sets and such since the beginning.
Stuff that looks brand new, fresh out the box and unused. Sure, it's a kids room, but the bed is perfectly made, the chips are unopened, the soda can intact, lid on the top of any bottle. Books always closed. Nothing wrinkled etc..
If you work in any industrial setting, you know the difference between 'inspection ready' and "in use".
Workers always put things away when it's time to and leave them out when it makes more sense.
Visitors are likely to trip over things or bump their heads.
Water puddles are from leaks or probably more from condensation.
Even this one which is hanging over a railing....
Is not the worst offender I've seen. I mean, here I am buying all the wires and cables I can to increase this look.
Like I said, I think those cables get put away when company arrives.
Exactly!
I like the cables loose on the floor it give my monsters the big chance to eat the annoying main charcter. I always root for the monsters. Oooh, I hope they trip and fall. hahaha
cables in my environments are always presented as seperate props and can be turned off,
If this happens to be a horror themed story, people often trip over things as they try to run. So we gotta give them something to trip over!
But really, they don't need to be emergency repairs. Stuff breaks all the time. I can easily imagine that those cables are that way because they need to access them frequently for some reason. Maybe com goes down a lot, power fluctuates, or maybe if it is an older ship, those are cheap and dirty upgrades. It would be quite tough to rewire things without tearing the ship apart, so just rigging everything around is the way to go. IMO, that is how I feel about seeing these sorts of things. Hiding cables like that is for the really pimp rich space ships, LOL. For the more common people, this is just a reality. My room is full of cables everywhere, between TVs, monitors, PCs, and other equipment. And Stonemason's set isn't even that bad about them. Notice all the exposed cables are on one side of the place, they are not all over the place.
Forunately, astronauts are not dressed in Daz Originals... as for the zero g, I think the microgravity of the ISS counts!
There was actually a reason for it in Alien. The Nostromo was 20 years old, had been converted to the role of tug and was basically worn out and falling apart. One of the engines flat failed during the landing on the planet with the eggs. Also there was no crew to do maintenance most of the time. The crew was in coldsleep almost all of the time on voyages. Of course stuff sort of falls apart in those conditions.
I think the cables and pipes come from H.R. Giger, and it just caught on.
But water? Still not getting that one.
To Stonemason: Thank you for making cables props.
There is truly, TRULY no pleasing some people.
well one could stick gears on them all and call them Steampunk
need big ribbed cables though with probe ... oh that's another genre
What I was thinking as well, for me when I look at that product I see that it has atmosphere and shows that it is being used, and not just come out of the spaceship dealership..
That is what I have found annoying about some of the architectural environment products, where you are expecting the scene to have a sense of it being lived in.. Instead quite a few of them seem to be set as if they are having a real estate open day, where everything is too clean and tidy..
the OP said clearly not dissing the product
AFAIK nobody was
rather the convention in nearly every scifi space movie, series etc out there
Much appreciated!
You need to keep things clean and tidy XD.
Jokes aside, the set is awesome.
In the Star Trek 2009 reboot, I STILL can't figure out why the Narada had pools of water AND loose wiring running everywhere in that lower level. BAD, BAD storytelling, JJ. That's just as lazy as all that damned lens flare.
I had to Google that ship to be sure which one you meant. But since you mention water puddles twice, I think we should divert a bit and speak on it.
Well, firstly, You were bothered by puddles and lens flares, but not the MILES of water tubing - in that massive...brewery that was supposed to be the Enterprise's engineering section?
My first thought was why would they have them there and second was how extensive all the piping was.
At some point I realized it was a prop gag and chalked it up to - the person sitting next to me in the theater who was chuckling. I figured that was put in there for them.
Somebody thought it was funny.
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As far as the Romulan ship goes, we really don't know what kind of tech goes on in a mining ship that been outfitted for..combat.....
Great cooling stations.....water towers.....steam compressors.....alluvial dampers...no overhaul in how many years....?
No hydro-spanners on board.
And if none of that suffices...because Sci-Fi and
and...
looks beats logic!
.."you came in that thing, you're braver than I thought."
'Looks beat logic' would be a great Daz maxim: though what would happen to the forums if it was provided as a filter?
At least Picard is a step back in the right direction. At least that's what I hear...
I've never forgiven JJ for trying to pass off a beer factory as engineering. Talk about a total lack of respect for the thought that has went into Star Trek enginnering related designs over the years! And don't even get me started on the fact that said coolant is likely radioactive...
The Orville is a refreshing throwback to older sci fi at least! If you consider TNG older that is... And no high heels on grates!
Too bad CBS/Paramount didn't recognize the value in 'licensing' Axanar, choosing instead to make an example out of them. I 'get' the whole protecting IP thing, but that's the sort of ST storytelling and respect for canon that I personally want to see. Not this 'Star Wars-izing' of ST that JJ did. Some people enjoyed it though, as you said, but I still regard the day I went to see that particular movie as 2+ hours of my life I'm not getting back.
Not knocking Star Wars with that last crack, it's just not the same as ST. Rogue One is probably my favorite Star Wars movie these days, and of course the original Trilogy. After the original trilogy, I felt things took a gradual downhill slide, so Rogue One was a refreshing jolt in the right direction. I'll probably grab Episode 9 when it drops on DVD just for completeness purposes, but yeah I don't do a lot of rewatching of the more recent installments. Episode III was 2+ hours of my life that I'm not getting back either, and I said exactly that to my brother as we left the theater after the movie ended...
I didn't mind Episode 1, and actually rather enjoyed it, mainly for Liam Neeson's character, but his character died...
ST VI - The Undiscovered Country was awesome though! That was a nice sendoff for the TOS cast. And no spiky high heels on a grate infested ship!
Back on topic though, thanks StoneMason for taking the time to make sure to break up your setpieces so that we can hide what we don't want. There's a time and place for everything, and grates can be visually very appealing. It's the costuming that I'm poking fun at, not your sets! Jack Boots should do just fine with the grating, well at least the more 'traditional' Jack Boot designs (google it). Kirk & Company wore (hobnailed) Jack Boots, but they are a bit maligned thanks to their popularity with authoritarian regimes.
The thing I wondered most about, was the big drums of toxic waste at sides. I didn't buy the set as of yet, but once I do, I will have to think long and hard about some other screenfillers there, like consoles with seats for additional bridgecrew. The cables didn't put me off that much on the other hand. As Stonemason said, they can usually be hidden in his scenes, and they do give some potential for engineering working on something in a scene, like, installing some temporary device or whatever.