dForce Valerya Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s)
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https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-valerya-outfit-for-genesis-8-females
Anyone who picks this up, please let us know what's under the upper body armor.
Thanks in advance.
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as aways i would love to know the poly count.
now that is interesting, a chest plate that doesn't expose the chest to potential sward strikes. I have some mixed feelings about the pauldrons (if that is meant to protect the shoulders at all, tad exposed there), the vambrace looks ok-ish. overall not bad looking, can't wait to see the rest of the armor.
I'll second the poly count thing as well, will a 4GB Iray card be able to render it or will more GPU memory be needed? As for 3Delight, (sarcasm) I would hope it's smaller than 32GB, lol.
If this had some related style looking pants I would have snagged this right away, but seriously, where's the bottom half? And 'That doesn't sell" is a cop out - look at Aeon Soul's The Legend - you have EVERYTHING in that set (and I LOVE IT!) and with it you can armor up, or down as you see fit (admittedly, it comes at a premium price, but it is an AWESOME set!). I have always liked Val3dart's stuff, but for lack of matching amored pants on this I'll pass.
EDITED to remove off-topic rant. My apologies.
Nice work on the upper part, l love the detailing and texturing, but will wait until there is a matching lower half.
And how well did that sell?
I dunno, but I know *I* bought it! And have used it.
i have that armor and what she have of being really, really wonderfull and awesome she have of being "high poly" if you have problems to handle hgh poly stuffs in your render or wanting things for game, specially for game, this armor is not for you, i only keep her because of it's looks but if not was for that i would had refunded her and in my case after see another outfits from aeon soul i can really say, if you want stuffs for game his outfits for sure are not what you are looking for unless you know how to make "retopoly" and reduce really a lot that polygons.
he is one of those creators here which when comes to "polygons and details he really don't hold back".
The Legend comes with three or four different poly-levels to choose from! Does the lowest one meet your needs? I recently rendered a 1200x1920 image at highest poly-level and didn't have any issues at all.
Sorry for sort of dragging this thread off topic.
I absolutely love the metal textures on the Valerya armor! Despite my grumbling, I may end up getting it and just do closeups and Depth of Field renders with it.
this is the "lowest" it's come with different combinations but if you put the full set together you get that number it's poly count it's around 400k, which in case of valerya outfit the creator in this case Val3dart seems to be more "balanced" i have bought few armor outfits from him/her and while is not "perfect low" at last is on a more reasonable case here's a exemple:
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-warrior-of-dusk-outfit-for-genesis-8-females
that number is much more reasonable even for use outside daz.
I bought it too and considering AS makes high quality stuff, I imagine it sold pretty well.
I bought this set too. I hope that a expansion is released that has upgraded textures, and maybe someting like a helmet or additional equipment. It was nice of Val3dart to include a sword with belt and sheath. Well done.
Oh, I just remembered I wanted to ask about something, What does the outfit look like without the plates? It is very brief below the waist, what does it look like above the waist?
I like the set from what I can see, I can likely use it for kitbashing. I am however interesting in knowing how the dress/tunic looks without the breastplate, as the dress/tunic is one of the things I can easily see being used for kitbashing (by myself atleast). I'm not able to buy it at this time, but hope to be able to later when my money arrives. Depending on the price at that time and wether the dress/tunic is kitbash-able or not :)
kitbash-able or not, yeah, I tend to skip items that don't show an over-item as separate, I do like kitbashing a lot. I do look at this and can't help but think it's only shown with all the armor plates on, thus it hints at it being a single item. It is a meh level thing compared to a lack of 3DL. some dresses are fine all or nothing, others not. I would love it if that gambeson (tunic) was a separate item in the product usable without the armor (it looks good, what we can see of it).
As much as I keep trying to tell myself this may be inspired by some fantasy game character or anime thing, I do keep thinking where is the rest of the armor. As for how well something sells to me, I sort of don't care if it's all in a single product or a collection of products, if the combo of items is what I'm looking for I will get it. It's kind of like hair with separate add-on color packs, except here it's more like a hair product that is only the hair ties and ponytails with the rest of the hair not included and may be yet to be sold separately. While I can point out the lack of Taces and Tassets on this fantasy set (it clearly is more fantasy than authentic), I will acknowledge that not all armor had legs per-say (like this example borrowed from a reenactment outfit site, AKA, this is not a 3D item).
It is entirely possible that the item was inspired by a game or fictional character, and in that case, the PA is merely only doing what someone else had done with the lack of anything below the breastplate. So I will not hold the PA at fault for that, I will only say it looks incredibly incomplete and I have doubts the items can be used separately (otherwise I think at least one promo would have shown that).
P.S. (sarcasm detected)
I'm guessing them things are Pouldron, not really sure what it is, lol.
maybe it's a Force-Skype antena, lol.
Just bought this outfit, so I’ll answer these questions after work, if someone else doesn’t beat me to it.
My purchase, or not, may depend in large part on your revelations. Am hoping this product holds up to the scrutiny, I really really do like what there is of it.
That said, looking back at the page and What's Included, it DOES appear to have all the parts individually - if truly so KER-PLUNK into my cart it goes!
1. For a many PAs it's a business and not selling well is much more than a cop-out as you call it; it's about paying bills, feeding the family.
2. PAs love making stuff that sells well, it pays bills, feeds the family.
I don't think anyone wants PA's to starv or be homless. it's a more simple factor of "where is the rest of it".
For your needs, its missing something. The PA, I am asuming, considered it complete: hence it being for sale.
To me, it nicely straddles the serious and stylised, yet also gives a firm nod to the skimpwear market too; it does look good.
I'll be honest - I thought pretty much the same as Gogger. I clicked on it very enthusiastically when I saw the initial store image, but quickly lost interest when it became apparent that what initially looked like it could have been a decent heavy armour set turned out to be barely capable of covering her knickers.
I've certainly bought various (ahem) "light armour" sets before that really weren't practical armour, but with the heavy chest plate and pauldrons alongside the cutout miniskirt , this feels more like that comedy movie favourite of two different products crashing into each other in the corridor, dropping all their files, and each ending up leaving with half the wrong stuff.
More to my point though is, while I understand this means more work, why can't a PA serve BOTH markets, skimpwear, as well as more traditional or at least SFW? I wouldn't even care if it was one or the other but ALSO had an alternative 'texture' set (sold separately) that would provide more revealing openings etc, or closed up areas. I know not EVERY item is a simple material/shader/texture change, but MANY could be. Why not serve BOTH markets? Just sayin'.
I would have grabbed this without a second thought if it was more, well, just more. As it is now, I am leaning towards getting it, but haven't yet. Score - Customer: 0 PA: 0
what is shown in the promos does look good, I will agree with that. there is a lot the promos do not show (the gambeson/dress above the tummy), or it used with just some parts. yes it is very fantasy looking, otherwise, I would be roasting it for a lot more than looking like a breastplate that someone has yet to put on the rest of the armor befor heading out to battle, akin to showing up to work and forgetting your pants and just trotting around in boxers or BVDs with a shirt and tie, lol.
Honestly, I think the main promo for this product makes it abundantly clear that it’s fantasy armor, and should be evaluated on those terms. Yes, it looks silly, but I like the design, and at least it does qualify as armor, unlike most female fantasy armor.
The simple answer is they didn't want to.
I'm guessing that they considered the extra work involved would not generate enough extra income. You can disagree, but PAs really want to maximise sales - it's in their interest.
Because it takes extra time (and quite a bit of work, as more covering items are often harder to rig and may require additional adjustment morphs) to produce 2 versions, and the few extra sales it would generate often don't justify spending that time on this rather than working on a new project with bigger "commercial power".
I find it tough to figure. I mean Kit-bashing fixes everything and once you go with custom shaders...
The next issue is mixing and matching armor bits, where there might be engravings or intricate details that should be consistent.
The neck area looks incredible, with those two ...fins or curved edges that could stop any kind of head- chopping attempt. lol
The heels are hit and miss, by now, there's so many armor suits that it's simple to swap out the boots....
The fantasy aspect is good and it has modem and sexy leggins and, as stated earlier, the sword and scabbard is a great addition to any library.
I have the one from Impractical Armor and it's awesome.
But I think there's a hidden gem if there's any kind of top without the armor. The detail I see around the shoulders/sleeves has me excited.
Well, I can't take the open question so I snagged it. Happily from the product thumbnails
It has a separate dress. And it looks neat, grainy, low-res image aside.
So this ends up a win, but I wish the promo images did this product justice.
Not sure if those stockings/socks are separate or locked in with the boots or panty as a set.
The stockings and boots are a single item of clothing, which I find a little disappointing. I'm currently rendering out the various parts.
Updated because I wasn't paying enough attention the first time, and put the scene information under every item.
Dress
Name :
Valerya_Dress_6558
Label :
Valerya_Dress
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
26,014 / 6,558
Triangles :
0 / 0
Quads :
25,792 / 6,448
Total Faces :
25,792 / 6,448
Pantie
Name :
Valerya_Pantie_1703
Label :
Valerya_Pantie
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
6,655 / 1,703
Triangles :
0 / 0
Quads :
6,496 / 1,624
Total Faces :
6,496 / 1,624
Belt
Name :
Valerya_Belts_7193
Label :
Valerya_Belts
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
7,193 / 7,193
Triangles :
198 / 198
Quads :
6,728 / 6,728
Total Faces :
6,926 / 6,926
Boots
Name :
Valerya_Boots_23860
Label :
Valerya_Boots
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
23,860 / 23,860
Triangles :
984 / 984
Quads :
22,992 / 22,992
Total Faces :
23,976 / 23,976
Gloves
Name :
Valerya_Gloves_6570
Label :
Valerya_Gloves
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
26,194 / 6,570
Triangles :
0 / 0
Quads :
26,112 / 6,528
Total Faces :
26,112 / 6,528
Bracers
Name :
Valerya_Bracers_1072
Label :
Valerya_Bracers
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
1,072 / 1,072
Triangles :
0 / 0
Quads :
1,040 / 1,040
Total Faces :
1,040 / 1,040
Breastplate
Name :
Valerya_FullBreastPlate_20974
Label :
Valerya_FullBreastPlate
Class :
DzFigure
Vertices :
20,974 / 20,974
Triangles :
16 / 16
Quads :
20,532 / 20,532
Total Faces :
20,548 / 20,548
Scene Geometry : Active / Base
Total Vertices :
113,986 / 69,954
Total Triangles :
1,198 / 1,198
Total Quads :
111,710 / 67,910
Total Faces :
112,908 / 69,108
Well done, sir. I'm sure it's going to be a battle to get the dress to fit under the belt and still cover conventional pants.
But dang, it looks great. Those sword belts are eye-catching.
Can you remove the boots with the surface opacity channel?
I know I own a pair of socks- very similar to those - stripes and all.
I actually thought the socks were a kit-bash and not included with the set.
Actually, out of curiosity, I threw Dark Storm pants on her early on into the process, and it would only take a tiny bit of Fit Control-ing to get it to fit perfectly. The boots, sadly, are a single material zone.