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Not all similarity is a bad thing. While I can see similar features between characters created by the same artist that doesn't bother me. If I think a character looks too similar to one I have I can pass. One of my friends is consistently confused for my sister even though we aren't related.
Some artists seem to have similar tastes as I do. I will find many of their characters attractive. I definitely have my types. But if they are too similar to one I already have I pass.
There are a lot (too many for my wallet) of great looking characters both here at DAZ and at Rendo
For the most part after you have played with DAZ/Poser modelling for a while you can tell which creator made which character
So a creator may create characters that look quite similar, but we (the customer) all have different tastes and while some characters may look too samey, I'm sure one will stand out to us as the epitome of beauty incarnate, and we have to posses her, yet to many other people she looks just like her sisters
It's all in the eye of the beholder
Some creators make amazing characters right 'out of the box'
With the great tools sold/provided it is not impossible for each of us to mold a character to our own preferences
Look upon the 'out-of-the-box' as the catalyst for your own imagination and creation
I thank all creators for making such lovely creations, please keep it up
EDit:typo (as usual)
It's true, but I'd hate to point fingers because I wish all these creators nothing but positive thoughts and success.
But one of the main reasons why I cheer on celebrity-inspired faces is because they are practically the most diverse and often the most realistically shaped creations in their entire collection. Also yay for morph-makers in general and creative artists like JoeQuick and RawArt who show the width and depth these Genesis models are capable of.
I think more often than not, 3D art is just like 2D art in that there are just some signature styles. Raiya noses, SecondCircle lips, etc., are especially recognizable IMO. The render styles and similar poses may also contribute to us seeing more similarity when the characters are otherwise somewhat distinct. It's getting quite easy to identify the PAs with just one look at the character thumbnails, which is good branding!
There are some PAs, especially high-volume ones, who tend to put out more similar-looking characters more often than not. But they do deviate from time to time with gorgeous results.
It did irk me when I found out that one vendor was using the same skin texture over and over again (same jpegs) but with slightly different material settings in terms of skin tone....
I know my own dialed-in figures tend to look the same because I like the some dials more than others. I try to do that less, but it's a conscious effort. I'm sure artists in a raw 3d environment do the same - there's just similar things you do to a nose or an eye shape because you like to do it and it feels right.
I buy for skin whenever possible. It's exciting when we get variations of skin that I don't have, or approaches that are applicable across to others (like tattoos in the overlay channel).
Also, following specific artists for skin means that the skins will generally perform in a similar way under the same lights. I think it's a benefit to find similar-looking figures from the same artist if you like to dial in your own faces.
/Gotta love it when you use multiple artists' skins in one image... one turns out too orange, another turns out too green/blue, etc.
Mousso is an evil evil woman. She's gotten SO good at those portrait renders that I'll see a new girl from her and think "Ooo, she's soooo pretty! I have to give her a home!"
TBH I rarely comment on characters anymore. I have several dozen of them (G2, G3, G8), and have to almost force myself not to use one of me 2 or 3 favorites anyway. One thing I have noted a few times is that I know I don't need anymore "generic supermodel" figures. If I am going to buy something now she needs to be unique. Have some freckles or skin imperfections. Some sort of difference to them. I have to credit BlueJaunte for the idea of the "Signature Smile". That was a really nice way to set their characters apart from everyone else.
When it comes to the idea of criticizing someone's products, I will go one of two ways. If it's a specific product that I have issue with, I'll try to find their commercial thread (or one made for them in the Commons) and offer constructive and thoughtful feedback. If it's a general suggetion, I've used the Product Suggestions forum to post my thoughts. That way I'm not detracting from a thread about one of their current products and potentially derailing it with a conversation that has no relevance to the people who wanted to discuss it.
No matter what, I always try to be aware that these products take a lot of time and energy to create and being told their "labor of love" is or a 'Hard Pass' isn't doint anyone any good. My suggestion, when I used to monitor some forums where we did art critiques was to start by being sure that your goal is to be helpful, not to just gripe and complain. Then be respectful and courteous. Do your best to follow the "Good news, bad news, good news" structure of wrapping things to be fixed between points of things you like. That helps show your intention to someone who is only reading your words, not hearing your voice or seeing your face.
If you realize your emotional about something, consider drafting the message and letting it sit overnight. See if after some time (and sleep) you feel the same way before you post it. And even then re-reading it you may find ways to soften the language so your feedback is heard without instantly putting them on the defensive.
..."face widget thingies?"
...as to Robin, to a point, there's this version who was a teen girl from one of Frank Miller's Dark Knight stories.
Then again, MIller was not your normal run of the mill comic artist.
True. Stephanie Brown (aka Spoiler) had a run as Robin, and I know her time was in official canon. Although, who knows with the current DC run...
I'm glad Jepe is making male characters again. When you look at the work he did for M4 & Genesis, you can't say they all look alike.
Is it possible that Mousso's just too good? That seems to be what's actually happening here. The ladies are stunning and for me all are highly desireable!! And I believe your insights are spot on in that while the faces do vary reasonably well between figures there is perhaps a tangible similarity in posing and lighting that might make them seem more related than they really are.
I always look at every single promo render for these Mousso products, a testament to how well her formulas are working on each individual project. I'm fully guilty of browsing but not often buying, but that will likely change now that I understand my initial reactions a little bit better. Mousso is really good and she makes it look easier than it is. Conscious analysis of the lighting reveals choices are as always quite captivating and the posing is always appropriate and never odd or distracting, which is exactly what you'd want for a product render.
Major variations in character "personalities" is not the main point of these illustrations. The point is to show off the skins and the morphs with well balanced lighting and clear posing. All together a very professional looking catalogue. After this talk I will take your advice and explore the potentials of these products a bit more.
I guess its true how similarities in presentation could have an impact on some viewer's perceptions, maybe even more than the details of the actual content itself. Perhaps this is why some vendors solicit the input of other artists for a portion of their promotional renders. Seems like a clever strategy just to change things up a little from time to time.
Mousso is by far one of my favorites, I like Emrys and isource textures. I like isource because of the imperfections in the textures.
Many times I switch textures up use them on other figures. I also like to tweak figures as well.
But in all honesty you can find a lot of products that look similar. Clothing, poses ( especially poses how many sexy pose sets can there be) all of the similar not just characters. We all have our likes and dislikes I can’t tell you how many times I’ve bought a figure, clothing, etc for one thing I wanted that came from the product.
...guess I'm just not into the "Cover Girl" runway model types. I like more everyday looking characters. Crikey, I rarely if ever even use the makeup options.
I hope none of my characters looks like me. Once I have modeled my own head, but it stayed at the same stage, without body.
https://youtu.be/K161_NZGN1g
What type of imperfections sets a skin apart in the group's opinion? Anything besides your basic freckles, moles, etc? Aversions to too much LIE Editor stuff? Curious...LOL. It's funny how everyone is different in what they find attractive. I remember reading in another thread that someone disliked a certain character because of the heavy eye makeup when that is what drew me to that particular character. Not the heaviness itself, which I didn't think was bad, but the way it was applied and the subtle blending of it is what attracted me. I don't worry too much about much more than the head since I can dial whatever I like and clothes hides most of the skin anyway a good portion of the time. But I do usually buy for the skin and the head morph now.
wow, thanks for the inter-species procreation images!
For me it's not just freckles or moles that are the most appreciated detail; it's the overal sharpness of the skin, that raw real look (visible pores, slight redness in various spots, edges, grit, et cetera). Skin needs to look like skin. Mousso has done one of the best examples of great skin with her Jayla figure.
I fell in love with Emrys' style for males at the start but then realized that white, Asian or black, their morphs all had the same cleft chin, philtrum, and only difference was skin shading and presentation renders.
A lot of people love Thorne characters, which is fine, it's a Thorne trademark - just wish Thorne would make more guys, the ones that Thorne and Mada created in the past were stunning.
I do note that there are several character makers who really do a great job at making celebrity-type faces that make me wonder who they are supposed to represent - again, I don't think anyone makes males anymore who fall into the celebrity lines of things - not for lack of amazing looking male singers/actors and celebrities. But every day on every site, there are new celebrity females being produced - and finally, the makers of Female celebs are no longer producing the umpteenth iteration of Anjolina Jolie anymore (Like isn't there another actress playing Lara Croft nowadays?).
I have actually stopped buying certain PA's characters anymore for exactly the reason of this post - I recognize the Merchant Resource used to make the skin, and usually also OWN it myself, and as I mentioned, the faces look like the default Daz ones with a few quirks that the vendor seems to find personally "hot", but with little variation in subsequent characters.
One mention there are some who have "strange" faced characters - on Daz it's usually Pretty3D who has a really weird faced girl, and Aery Soul with their googly-eyed girl, who kind of freaks me out to look at. At Renderosity I cannot look at Anagord's females mostly because they remind me too much of Jocelyn Wildenstein. Sangriart, Mousso, and SecondCircle make great characters over there. And Mousso is bringing them over to Daz now. And although I don't do many female renders, I own most of Mousso's girls because of who they really look like and they really render that way.
If people put a bit of effort into things and they lay their own promos end-to-end, to see their progression when doing faces, they might notice their own trends and find a way to keep surprising us in the future by seeing their similarities and making necessary changes to keep us excited and coming back for more.
Greetz,
Antonio
There are lots of obviously diverse characters, and many that are more similar and even subtle - as though related. Real people look the same, but for subtle differences - even when unrelated.
It really is simple though: buy what you like, return what you bought if it wasn't what expected.
I use the characters in the store as base, because I need unique characters for my comic. Mixing the characters and using morph pack turns them into the unique character that I need. It's hardly a usage "out of the box". Like others said, I don't have to buy it if I see no addition to my "resources of skins and shapes" in it.
But honestly, as long as a PA's getting good sales by selling the perceived "sameness", it's really up to them - there are other PAs who cater to different tastes.
It's like with the latest iPhone - it's really up to the customer if they buy it or not, and if a PA sees their sales collapsing because customers get bored, I'll assume they are business-savy enough to find a different style until they find something that will sell.
Marcius Dolls and Thorne Dolls make me happy.
A lot of them are rather similar, but usually there's enough difference to make me want more of them. I don't see this as a bad thing.
Marcius and Thorne just seem to know what I'll like.
It's nice that we have so many vendors though. It means that, while a particular vendor might have a specific 'style', well between all of them we have a LOT of styles to choose from!
Thankfully, body character morphs are pretty easy to change up using the dials. Faces are a bit more tricky, but usually the faces are a bit more different to begin with anyways. You can always tweak those to taste as well.
Rhiannon also comes to mind, but usually there's some significant differences in skin textures with her models, even if the models are somewhat similar. It all comes down to what you like.
There's a few other examples that I'm not thinking of at the moment as well, and some of you have mentioned a few.
These days, I'm usually picking up a character because the skin looks interesting to me and I like the shape, in that order. If the skin is too similar to other models that I already have, unless the shape is particularly striking, I'll usually pass on new characters.
If you shop for Daz stuff a lot, at some point you end up with a bunch of models that look fairly close to each other, even if they are from different people. I've reached that point, so most of the new characters I pick up these days are the result of Pro bundle sales. With a couple of exceptions, such as when I see a new or new to me character that I just really like.
My wishlist is littered with a bunch of 'second string' characters at this point. Characters that are moderately interesting to me, if the price is right. This mostly applies to older models, but a few newer ones as well.
I don't think there's anything wrong with an artist establishing a "look" either. It's okay to know that certain people create characters with specific qualities. There is value in, for example, someone specializing in horror/creature characters, and another in elves and fantasy, and another in "girl next door", etc. The fact is that someone who is really good at a specific style may not be able to produce something of equal quality in another style. This is doubly true for male/female as someone who really understands feminine body shapes and skin may not be able to easily translate that knowledge over to a male character. If they want to try, great, more power to them. But I'd also understand if they felt more comfortable staying in their "wheelhouse" as it were.
@Vyusur I'd buy that character head in half a heartbeat! I always use a different body anyway.