OT: New computer dragging after a while
RAMWolff
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Hi Folks,
Well finally got all my new computer issues resolved and got it up and running BUT after just a few minutes it starts to drag... if I open an image in Irfanview (very low in memory usage) and then close out the image after a few tweaks selecting another image takes a second....
From reading on Windows 10 Forums most folks think it's wise to let the paging files be controlled by Windows... so I did that hoping for an instant fix.... nope... not fixed. Not sure if the SSD and the SATA drives are not playing nice together or what. I looked at the Start Up services and disabled a few I thought MIGHT cause lags but nope, that's not either from what I can gather.
Thought my new i9 and more robust video card were going to make things faster, so far that's not the case. Even my renders are about the same if not SLOWER when rendering. My old machine was literally chugging and was told that was an issue with the coolant being stuck or something... that's what really got my interested in a new system finally. I hate listening to my computer struggling. This new rig has none of that but yea, really slows down pretty quickly. 32 Gigs of DDR 4 RAM... all components check out as healthy!
HELP?
Thanks so much
Richard
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It is extremely unlikely to be a conflict between your drives, as in I'd be shocked if it was.
First is this a DIY or prebuilt system. If its a prebuilt by who? Many prebuilts come with excessive "bloatware" unneeded/unwanted applications that frequently run in the background consuming resources. Getting rid of all that sort of stuffcan often makea large difference to computer performance.
Second have you looked at task manager when this slow down happens? Next time you run Daz open task manager before hand and when the slow down occurs switch to task manager and see what resource is maxed out or nearly so.
Finally, because you say rendering is slow, what graphics card do you have and what did you used to have, assuming you're rendering iray.
I have almost the exact some problem and it's the HD being put to sleep and needing time to wake up in my case.
It can be 'fixed' by drilling down into the power management settings and setiing the hd to never sleep, or at least wait 3 or 4 hours so that practically speaking it only needs woke up when you return to your computer after a while away elsewhere. The default way it does it is very fast and you'll find it being put to sleep even as you sit there reading a web page for example.
"It takes a second..." Not sure that what you're describing is an actual problem. Maybe you could actually describe your computer? Might help.
I wish I could help you, but I don't have Windows 10. I'm having one of those days as well. Computer problems drive me insane, so I feel your pain. Hope you get it cleared up soon :)
Laurie
I personally think it is related to drivers and Daz versions. I searched for help here and got nada. The truth is if it's a new system it's under warranty so make them trouble shoot it. If you built it you need to post the specs bacause a system is like a dependant family. Each member relies on and projects/affects others be it good or bad. Cards affect heat issues, hardware affects power issues which varies if idling vs rendering. You really need to post your system specs if you built/upgraded it, if not return it if it isn't doing the job. But recently I had critical issues on a 128 gb ripjaws ram and 2 pascal x titans with a server mother board that could stay on forever. I did a sytem restore to an older Daz version and it solved kernal power issues. Try to unistall to an earlier version if that fails it's the system.
Hi,
Been busy with stuff. So the "takes a second" is referring to loading up a new image in Irfanview. Usually it's instantaneous.
I've looked over the Power settings. As stated I allow Windows to keep the paging files going so not tried setting those to higher amounts.
The system is prebuilt but there is no bloatware as I installed Windows 10 64 bit Pro myself since CyberPower really screwed that up royally.
The Power settings are set to never let the drives sleep for faster page filing but that's not helping much at all either. There is something up here and I can't seem to pin point it.
Thank you!
But this isn't a specific program. This can be unzipping something or loading up an image in Irfanview. Forget the big programs like DAZ Studio or ZBrush, the little ones cause the slow downs. So I THINK it's a paging issue (virtual memory).
Windows usually does pretty good with page files, so I'm thinking it's NOT that. Have you opened task manager and looked at the programs that are eating up the most memory? Sometimes it's the weirdest things, like performance monitor just decides to go bonkers and run full bore all the time (I've had it happen, but on Windows 7 - dunno much about 10). Have a look there and see what's running more than it should. It might be something stupid like indexing. Does Win10 still do that? Used to bring my computer to it's knees, even tho I had it set to only index when the computer was idle. Could also be OneDrive syncing too (if that's still a Windows 10 thing). For the 5 minutes I had Windows 10, that used to slow my computer down.
Laurie
Also do this.
On your lower task bar next top windows click the searc icon or cortana (I disabled her) and type event viewer see jpg below. These errors are for this system (has 64 gb rip jaws and 2 1080 ti's but the critical ones are for the one titan I shipped back to Falcon to repair. The last jpg is Falcons email recieved today. The moral is some problems cannot be solved in this forum because some problems are due to faulty/lemom hardware.
JRay
Also do this.
On your lower task bar next top windows click the searc icon or cortana (I disabled her) and type event viewer see jpg below. These errors are for this system (has 64 gb rip jaws and 2 1080 ti's but the critical ones are for the one titan I shipped back to Falcon to repair. The last jpg is Falcons email recieved today. The moral is some problems cannot be solved in this forum because some problems are due to faulty/lemom hardware.
JRay
Falcon thought the same and sent me new memory, also sent me a new powers supply but the problem still occurred. For me it was a sucky mother board and had I looked at the event viiewer before this year I would have seen the problem was there from day one after recieving the custom built system. The systwem cost me 10K (they make servers for google) so even the best can err. Check the viewer look for criticals and kernals. See screen shot.
Also do this.
On your lower task bar next top windows click the searc icon or cortana (I disabled her) and type event viewer see jpg below. These errors are for this system (has 64 gb rip jaws and 2 1080 ti's but the critical ones are for the one titan I shipped back to Falcon to repair. The last jpg is Falcons email recieved today. The moral is some problems cannot be solved in this forum because some problems are due to faulty/lemom hardware.
JRay
Falcon thought the same and sent me new memory, also sent me a new powers supply but the problem still occurred. For me it was a sucky mother board and had I looked at the event viiewer before this year I would have seen the problem was there from day one after recieving the custom built system. The systwem cost me 10K (they make servers for google) so even the best can err. Check the viewer look for criticals and kernals. See screen shot.
Edit: Forgive my spelling I hope to soon improve am using Richard H. as a mentor for spelling. :))
Okay not sure how this was a copy vs an edit so please delete my bad joke.
page file size is only a problem when you fix the size and run out of room or the drive the page file is on is full. If you have Win10 set to manage the page file size the only possible issue is if the boot drive is nearly full.
One thing you might want to look at is getting a program like CCleaner, Avast Cleanup or Winoptimizer something that can clean up any broken registry links and so on as that can slow the system down after a while.. The other is how many and how big are you content folders and are they spread across drives/partitions as that can do it as well, I know I have quite a few gigabytes of content and finding now that loading can take a bit..
Yea, ran a memory test (where I reboot and wait and hour while it does it's thing) all memory sticks returned no errors!
Since I do have 32 Gigs of memory I did set up the paging for the system to 3200 for minimum and 9600 for maximum.
Boot drive has over a terabyte of space on it, so not full!
Oh and turned off OneDrive. I use only DropBox for that sort of stuff and it's full synced.
Did that as well. As I stated earlier, I have done just about everything I can think of. I'm a fan of CCleaner and use it daily. I even had it clean up all the broken stuff in the registry. Didn't help although its nice to have my registry clean now! LOL
A case of not sure then I know for myself that it drags down when loading content as I have files from multiple folders over multiple drive partitions.. Heck even Genesis 3 takes ages to load, and my system is the one in my sig.. :)
I am having a hard time following this thread. Is this computer the same one listed in your signature? If not, please list all of the components including the hard drives or SSDs (all of them) and what is installed on each one.
Also, have you done any "tweaks" on your system? With today's Windows and hardware, most tweaks are no longer necessary. Like disabling Virtual storage, for example.
One thing to take a look at:
See if your computer's CPU usage is being limited somehow. Some PCs/laptops will do this; for example, limit CPU to 50% of max while on battery. The problem is that these settings can get changed if you're not careful, and you don't realize that you're throttling the CPU cores to 25% even while on AC power. Ouch.
I can tell you a few things that it's probably not:
What software have you on this machine? Personally, I've never had need of CCLEANER or any registry manipulation tools. Never use 'em. Windows 10 is not your daddy's old screwed up OS. The Windows 10 Registry just never really gets narf'd up unless you're hard crashing it a lot. Or messing around with it.
More information needed on the above and probably more.
Here are my system specs, I just took a screen shot of them from my Windows 10 Forums profile.... Also discovered that my beloved Opera is a pig and a half! WOW!
That is because it's based on Chrome, which does the same thing ;).
Laurie
Yea, just never seen the Opera entry expanded before in the Processes tab. Quite allot going on. At the time I only had 4 tabs open too!
That is the same Motherboard/CPU set I am using,and it is lightning fast on my end with a couple of caveats. If I'm opening an image from a folder with a LOT of images, or a decent amount of BIG images (like the folder I store my original renders in) I'll notice a delay on the system tied to having to process so much data. If I sort things out into multiple sub-directories, then files will start opening quicker for me again. You might check that, see if you experience the same problem in smaller directories.
If it ain't the drive the image file needing to be 'woke' so the image can be read the next best guess is an anti-virus / anti-trojan type program is interfering and checking both the contents of the file being opened and the activities of the program doing the opening, which you said was irfanview or something like that.
I'm just guessing though as with new fast hardware & a new Windows 10 install it's unlikely to be those. Windows 10 does have some security setting though that can actually keep programs from reading your local HDs and similar things. By default they are the behaviour before they were added to Windows 10 so there shouldn't be a problem there. Have you maybe changed those? I think you said you changed nothing of the sort regarding Windows 10.
AV programs can slow things down considerably, e.g. if they're configured to scan files whenever they're read and/or written.
You should never! EVER! set page file size without a very good reason, you're aware of what will run and know exactly how much RAM will be needed.
Set your Page File to system managed.
On a side note, if you feel that you need to set it yourself. Set it to either 32768-32768 or 65536-65536 on your fastest drive.
Well I plan to set it at 100 MB as soon as I get a system with more RAM (64 GB or more), as windows memory management (constantly throwing stuff from RAM into swap file which slows down all kinds of stuff) is driving me crazy.
Yes SIR... LOL. I feel like I just a beating! lol
I did run Sea Tools and ran just about every test on the three drives, they all passed with flying colors so that's not the issue.
Why these particular blocks of numbers?
Glad someone else has this same MB. Did you have issues setting it up? Not sure if I'll get a dedicated gaming MB again. It's been sort of a nightmare from the get go for me. I used to build my own computers but started using CyberPower PC for my last few builds and they have all been really stable and reliable but this purchase, $3200.00, has been NO FUN and now this crap!