Where is the harp that is shown in this product image?

gitika1

While perusing Don Albert's sale items, I came across this:

https://www.daz3d.com/millennium-3-musician-poses

What product has the harp included in it?

Xyetzt

Good question and another one why does it require a horse?

gitika1

Miss Bad Wolf said:

Good question and another one why does it require a horse?

I laughed at the listed requirements.  It indicates a saddle is included.

Leana

The musician poses used to require a pack called "The mansion - music room" which includes a harp, so it's probably this one. It was part of Moyar's store, which was removed a few weeks ago.
Moyra has a new store at Rendo so it might show up there at some point, but there's no guarantee it will.
Here's a view of the product page, courtesy of the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20170208185632/https://www.daz3d.com/the-mansion-music-room

As for why it requires a horse: the product description lists a pose for the horse and M3/V3 riding poses.

gitika1

Thanks for the information Leana.  I appreciate it.

ravvenkitsune

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

SpottedKitty

ravvenkitsune said:

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

Mistara

been dreaming of these harps

 

miladyderyni_173d399f47

SpottedKitty said:

ravvenkitsune said:

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

How come Merlin's Celtic Harp has never shown up in the gazillion searches for "Harp" I have done on Daz and for "3D harp models" on Google in the past year?!?! In the past month even? And people wonder why I insist that computers are mean to me...

"Scuse me while I buy this!

miladyderyni_173d399f47

Mystarra said:

been dreaming of these harps

 

Oh, yes, love the Harp Twins. I want to learn to play a harp.

SpottedKitty

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

SpottedKitty said:

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

How come Merlin's Celtic Harp has never shown up in the gazillion searches for "Harp" I have done on Daz and for "3D harp models" on Google in the past year?!?!

A couple of gotchas if you're rendering in Iray. There are Specular maps for the materials, but they don't load automatically since the Poser materials don't apply properly in DAZ|Studio; you'll have to add them manually. Again because of the Poser materials, the Bump values in the materials will need to be adjusted. The metal parts of the harp are easy enough to fix, just use one of the default Iray metal shaders. Once this is done, and it doesn't take long to fix it all, it really does improve the appearance of the wood-grain surfaces.

miladyderyni_173d399f47

SpottedKitty said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

SpottedKitty said:

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

How come Merlin's Celtic Harp has never shown up in the gazillion searches for "Harp" I have done on Daz and for "3D harp models" on Google in the past year?!?!

A couple of gotchas if you're rendering in Iray. There are Specular maps for the materials, but they don't load automatically since the Poser materials don't apply properly in DAZ|Studio; you'll have to add them manually. Again because of the Poser materials, the Bump values in the materials will need to be adjusted. The metal parts of the harp are easy enough to fix, just use one of the default Iray metal shaders. Once this is done, and it doesn't take long to fix it all, it really does improve the appearance of the wood-grain surfaces.

Thanks so much for the tips! It probably wouldn't have occured to me to look for additional maps. I am not sure how to adjust the Bump vales, though. Up, down, or just experiment until it looks good.

I'll have to do my own own harpist poses, but I don't see a problem other than time. I am pretty sure I can do at least as good a job as the one in the Mil3 pose set, since I have seen my choir director play her Celtic harp many times, and she's willing to let me take pictures for reference.

gitika1 said:

Miss Bad Wolf said:

Good question and another one why does it require a horse?

I laughed at the listed requirements.  It indicates a saddle is included.

My guess is a Copy/Paste error, and a funny one. Maybe the artist used a description/list from a previous product as a template and didn't remove or alter inapplicable details? I see that a lot when I edit. I was kind of disappointed the set didn't have poses for playing a bugle or horn while mounted.

SpottedKitty

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Thanks so much for the tips! It probably wouldn't have occured to me to look for additional maps. I am not sure how to adjust the Bump vales, though. Up, down, or just experiment until it looks good.

I'm trying to recreate my thinking when I was originally converting this for Iray — it was one of the first I did when D|S4.8 came out with the Iray rendering option, so it's been a while.

• Use the Iray Uber Base shader to convert all the Harp and Stool materials to Iray.
• You'll need light and dark metal shaders for the metal parts of the Harp; none of the default Iray materials are really suitable, so if you've bought any sets of metallic shaders, you should probably try a couple of these. I think I used the first Mec4D PBS shader set, then tweaked things a bit, but I can't remember for sure.
• Some sort of not too shiny plastic shader with a yellowy-greyish colour will do for the Harp's Bridge material. IIRC I tweaked this to look sort of like ivory. (If you actually have an ivory shader in your content collection, try that.)
• The wooden materials of the Harp and Stool are where you'll need to make the most tweaks. For the Bump settings, the usual outcome of applying Poser materials is that these come in at a tiny little fraction of 1% of a millimetre. Boost this to something much higher — try 1 or 2 to begin with, try a test render, then adjust up or down a bit until you like the result.
• For the Specular maps, first check if the wooden materials already have Glossy Layered Weight at a non-zero value. If it is, add the Specular map to the Glossy Color parameter and check that the colour of this is white (or close to it).
• When you've got a look you like when you render, don't forget to save the Harp and Stool material settings.

I think that's everything, but like I said, it's been a while. Have fun experimenting.

Protozoon

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

Calliope23

Protozoon said:

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

A harp and poses would be fantastic. I would think with all the angel renders there are maybe people would like to have their angels playing harps. I could also see elves, fairies, and other fantasy characters playing harps. A render for St. Patrick's Day with a Celtic harp would be nice. I think harps are one of the most beautiful sounding instruments in existence.

gitika1

Protozoon said:

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

Bassoon ... timpani... the entire orchestra.  My $ are waiting ... I have all of your products.

miladyderyni_173d399f47

Calliope23 said:

Protozoon said:

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

A harp and poses would be fantastic. I would think with all the angel renders there are maybe people would like to have their angels playing harps. I could also see elves, fairies, and other fantasy characters playing harps. A render for St. Patrick's Day with a Celtic harp would be nice. I think harps are one of the most beautiful sounding instruments in existence.

@ Protozoon, I may have suggested/begged for one before. Yes a new harp &/or a pedal (orchestra) harp would be lovely. and maybe an electric harp, as in the video Mystarra posted. Please tell me you still do G3 poses?

@ Calliope23. Harps do sound amazing. I am working on a recorder solo for church and am hoping I can persuade Choir Director to accompany me on hers. I think it makes my recorder sound better.

miladyderyni_173d399f47

SpottedKitty said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Thanks so much for the tips! It probably wouldn't have occured to me to look for additional maps. I am not sure how to adjust the Bump vales, though. Up, down, or just experiment until it looks good.

I'm trying to recreate my thinking when I was originally converting this for Iray — it was one of the first I did when D|S4.8 came out with the Iray rendering option, so it's been a while.

• Use the Iray Uber Base shader to convert all the Harp and Stool materials to Iray.
• You'll need light and dark metal shaders for the metal parts of the Harp; none of the default Iray materials are really suitable, so if you've bought any sets of metallic shaders, you should probably try a couple of these. I think I used the first Mec4D PBS shader set, then tweaked things a bit, but I can't remember for sure.
• Some sort of not too shiny plastic shader with a yellowy-greyish colour will do for the Harp's Bridge material. IIRC I tweaked this to look sort of like ivory. (If you actually have an ivory shader in your content collection, try that.)
• The wooden materials of the Harp and Stool are where you'll need to make the most tweaks. For the Bump settings, the usual outcome of applying Poser materials is that these come in at a tiny little fraction of 1% of a millimetre. Boost this to something much higher — try 1 or 2 to begin with, try a test render, then adjust up or down a bit until you like the result.
• For the Specular maps, first check if the wooden materials already have Glossy Layered Weight at a non-zero value. If it is, add the Specular map to the Glossy Color parameter and check that the colour of this is white (or close to it).
• When you've got a look you like when you render, don't forget to save the Harp and Stool material settings.

I think that's everything, but like I said, it's been a while. Have fun experimenting.

Thanks again! That should keep me busy for a few hours. I have a lot of JGreenlees' Iray shader sets, including Satiny Woods, Bone & Fantasy Scales, & at least one set with metals, so I should be good there, even if can't alter the Poser woods to my liking. And I do like playing around with shaders.

Calliope23

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Calliope23 said:

Protozoon said:

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

A harp and poses would be fantastic. I would think with all the angel renders there are maybe people would like to have their angels playing harps. I could also see elves, fairies, and other fantasy characters playing harps. A render for St. Patrick's Day with a Celtic harp would be nice. I think harps are one of the most beautiful sounding instruments in existence.

@ Protozoon, I may have suggested/begged for one before. Yes a new harp &/or a pedal (orchestra) harp would be lovely. and maybe an electric harp, as in the video Mystarra posted. Please tell me you still do G3 poses?

@ Calliope23. Harps do sound amazing. I am working on a recorder solo for church and am hoping I can persuade Choir Director to accompany me on hers. I think it makes my recorder sound better.

 

My mom bought a harp as a retirement gift for herself and has been playing for a few years now. She loves it! I bought some albums of harp music by various musicians to listen to for relaxation, and they definitely put me in a peaceful mood.

RAMWolff

Protozoon said:

Hmm, a harp you say...

-Protozoon-

There are quite a few types of harps.  Some are huge and some fit nicely in the lap so if you do this would you consider doing a couple / three with poses? 

nonesuch00

SpottedKitty said:

ravvenkitsune said:

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

Oh could of used that I always thought they were hand-held though. Guess I'll buy it for next year.

miladyderyni_173d399f47

nonesuch00 said:

SpottedKitty said:

ravvenkitsune said:

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

Oh could of used that I always thought they were hand-held though. Guess I'll buy it for next year.

Some Celtic harps (aka lever harps) are lap harps.

 

 

nonesuch00

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

nonesuch00 said:

SpottedKitty said:

ravvenkitsune said:

Oh, wow - that made me think of how much I would really love to see a good HD Celtic harp, same quality as the instruments and poses by: https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

Not sure how H the D would be (haven't used it for a while), but Merlin's Celtic Harp is still in the store, and converts nicely to both D|S .duf format and Iray materials.

Oh could of used that I always thought they were hand-held though. Guess I'll buy it for next year.

Some Celtic harps (aka lever harps) are lap harps.

 

 

thanks, I could buy this too.

https://www.daz3d.com/dancar-clothes

Calliope23

This hair comes with a small lyre and poses. I don't know if a lyre is a harp exactly, but it would fit in the lap.

https://www.daz3d.com/loreley-hair

Edit- Woops. Wikipedia says a lyre is not a harp. It's still a beautiful ancient instrument though. Edit again- I'm still unsure if a lyre is a harp because when I googled it some definitions describe it as a harp-like instrument or in the harp class.