Big Windows update headed your way...if you're using Windows 10
Kev914
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I've done two pcs and it took about 2 hours for each of them. Of course some of that it does in the background. How do I know that? I was on one PC yesterday and suddenly I couldn't do save a file. And shortly after that, all I could do was move my mouse. Couldn't opened the windows menu, couldn't shut down or even open the taskbar to see what was going on. And since I didn't know anything was going on, since Windows doesn't tell us they they are installing updates, I shut off the PC. When I restarted, I went to the Event Viewer to see what happened. Didn't really find anything, so then I thought of Windows updates. I've had times in the past where things start working weirdly and I reboot and find that they are completing updates).
It said that I was up to date, but I said check for updates. When the results came back, it said there was this features update and it immediately started the process. It said it was initializing. Took a while. Then it downloaded some stuff. Then it said it was preparing the install. Then it downloaded some stuff. Then it said it was installing. All of that took 1 hour and 20 minutes. Then it put up a blue window that said that it needed to install an important update and I needed to say when to do it. (So what was all that that it just did?) Then it did that thing where you get the blue screen with the spinning dial and it reboots more than 3 times.
On my one PC, it seemed like it was stuck on 81%. I finally shut it off and it reverted back to what I had. I ran the Update troubleshooter. If fixed two things, so then I tried it again. It stayed on 81% for 30 minutes. Since the drive is SS there is no indicator if anything is happening. I figured I was going to have to kill it again. But when searching the web for a solution to the problem, I saw where someone on the Microsoft site said to try hitting the windows key and the "A" key to turn off airplane mode. It was a desktop so I didn't even think it had airplane mode. But I gave it a shot and then a minute or so later, it started making progress and finished in 10 minutes. I read that turning off airplane mode shuts down wifi and blue tooth.
Anyway I'm up and running now. Hope you have better stories to tell.
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Yeah, I suddenly started having problems yesterday. Discovered the new update and foolishly clicked 'start' ...whooo boy. Stuck on install 68% for 3 (yes THREE) hours. I assumed the whole pc had locked up, so did an fake power failure (unplugged). waited until morning, and repowered and booted up to 'installing update please wait'. So I waited. 4 hours 17 minutes and 39 (yep, timed it.)seconds later. "Reboot now" At least it warned me that there would be multiple reboots that 'might take a while'. I do so appreciate such precision.
ok. it finally worked and is functioning fine now -- but this is ridiculous.
I stopped all updates after fall creators hosed my computer. It never has been the same since.
Well, I was notified of the update, when the download finished, I was asked when I wanted to update, I delayed it one day. Update lasted about 30 mins, after that everything works flawless.
I have done the Windows 10 2018 April update as well and while it's working fine & even some nice improvements but one thing I don't like is that after the update was done I did the usual 'Windows disk cleanup' to recover space wasted by the Windows.old and the updater files and all that for about 20GB total freed space. On a 226GB SSD 20GB is a lot. Well it did that and for a while I had 37GB free but then it just disappeared and I dropped down to 17GB free. I can't recover it.
Furthermore I uninstalled VS 2017 Enterprise and the uninstall process did not delete everything apparently because after the install process was done I am not down to 3.7GB free space on my SSD.
Not doubt because some 'install files' for a bajillion different things have been saved be Windows just in case I change me mind but I haven't a clue what those 'saved install files' would be or even that they as listed anywhere but some obscure log in Windows 10 anywhere.
And not of that missing space on my SSD is AWOL in Windows 'system recovery' file archive if that's what anyone things.
So then sometimes Windows 10 will cleanup wasted disk space magically if I wait a week or two so I'll do that but if it soesn't I'm going to have to spend $115 on a 512GB SSD.
Most of the time when you uninstall software there are files left for ever in the ProgramData folder, for example NVIDIA software leaves older updates for posterity.
When I want to know a complete stat of space used for folder or drives I use: http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/
Thanks, that's what I use too, it's very good program. And that ProgramData folder is out of control.
..."Airplane Mode' on a desktop PC? To quote Rufus T. Firefly. "Why that's the most ridiculous thing I ever hoid"
I could just picture myself lugging my entire workstation up to a TSA checkpoint at an airport and declaring "Yeah, it's also my phone."
...I just stuck with W7 and disabled updating.
...the more I read things like this the more I am glad I didn't "downgrade" from W7.
Not really. Windows 7 is a clunker although better than Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000, ...
Although I will say something is up and it's not good with something MS has done to the Windows filesystem code. It happened too when I 1st upgraded to Windows 10 and eventually I discovered it was a giant Windows Internet Explorer cache than Edge & the regular IE and the Windows 'disk cleanup' utility was ignoring put there by Unity 3D. I think MS discovered the proplem not long after they & Unity started cooperating on making Unity integrate will with Windows 10 & Visual Studio. This lost file system space is different.
...yeah it may be old but still serves me well. I don't need a lot of bells & whistles cluttering up my system (particularly ones that are difficult to disable). Crikey I still run in Windows classic mode as all that transparency rubbish is simply needless and have no desktop "gadgets" as I really don't need them. It's like Hi Fi, it's not what it looks like, it's what it sounds like that is important. Same for an OS.
For 200$ (Pro Edition) I should be able to not just defer updating for a month or two, but pick which ones I want and reject those I don't want like it used to be. I've been running on a three year old Nvidia driver and it works just fine. Newer ones I've tried tend to cause frequent BSODs. Don't want to have to roll back again and again only to have it overwritten in a month by MS again.
...and Cortana should be a purchasable app in the app store for those who feel they actually need a digital assistant, not integrated into the OS. Just more senseless rubbish in my book.
Patch Tuesday happened once a month on the second Tuesday it was easy to accommodate that (I also had it prompt me but not install updates so I could review them first). A few hours in the afternoon and I was done for the month and could get on with my work. Now it seems when MS feels like it, they send an update to your system regardless of what you are doing at the time. If you are on Home Edition (which is what I would have, had I taken them up on the free offer back in 2015) you just have to deal with it.
I believe in a more simple less troublesome way of doing things. W10 is not it.
In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...
I've not had an update stuck since the one that moved me from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. That 1st Windows 10 was a bit of a mess. I wound up clean installing and then it worked fine.
I have Windows 10 Pro and you can only disable updates for 35 consecutive days before it's enabled & then you must update. Probably those with Windows 10 Enterprise or Windows 10 Educational can disable automatic updates although probably those are the ones that definately shouldn't be disabling updates.
You can stop automatic downloads of updates by making your connection metered. You can also set your 'work time' to something like 8AM - 2AM so that your reboot will happen when you likely aren't at your home computer. A bit of a hassle for those of us that CPU render overnight though or do long strings of renders for animations.
..being retired there is no "good time" particularly when I set up a render job.
Enterprise Edition is a little to rich for my budget and the Educational Edition limits you only to apps sold in the MS store. Pro Edition should give you the same control over updating as Enterprise (which also allows for selecting which updates to install) considering the price.
I have no general philosophical opposition to updating however
for me staying on Win7 SP1 is critical to my current animated
filmmaking pipeline.
I am using two older legacy 32 bit apps that have no modern
equivalent ( at least any that I can afford)
Natural Motion's Endorphin
And the venerable Daz mimic pro3
I have independent confirmation from other users of those apps
that win 10 will not run them.
So for me "updating" has to add signifigantly to my
personal user experience& functionality.. not take away & remove things from it.
I couldn't update to the creators update in order to use my Windows Mixed Reality device. Tried like a dozen times but it got stuck and failed to update.
Gave up and complete erased my hard drive and started a fresh windows install. Then it finallly worked.
Mine doesn't update till i let it.
It is neither necessary nor helpful for people who don't use Windopws 10 to come into threads on Windows 10 updates.
I just checked and Desktops really do have an airplane setting. It is under Network & Internet. It says that it disables all wireless communication. I don't really know if presses the short cut really helped or if it was just a coincidence, but the PC appeared to be stuck and I pressed that hot key and a minute later, it started making progress again.
I have Pro on the one machine and when I switched it to what they call the "busness mode" under updates, It allowed me to delay the update for 365 days. (Although I eventally put the settings back and tried the update again and got through it).
I also saw - when I was searching for a solution to the stuck at 81% problem - that apparently Microsoft has a utility to hide updates temporarily hide updates that give you problems.
I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more.. Posting a video of what the new update brings..
No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..
And here are the new throttling settings..
I often use my laptop on a plane, so personally I find the airplane mode quite handy. It definitely helps your battery life by cutting all possible coms with a single click.
I am stuck then unless I purchase a new version of Windows! I don't understand the need for this updates when they cripple productivity. For sure, security update is essential but not to the point of paralysis.
I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.
Indeed the truth!
I'm not sure if MS has an algorithm that can distingush between a genuine upload, say for example, of DS renders you have done to the gallery, vs the internet control packets from your computer requesting data to be downloaded for viewing in the browser. The image ghostly12 posted on controlling the bandwidth used by uploads & downloads suggests the can so just check limit uploads and set the limit to 0 and see if that's what you want.
The big thing about Windows 10 that some will find aggravating is they are turning it into an always connected and integrated OS with your smart phones and online social app which isn't really good to be interrupted hundreds of times a day by people on social media sharing other organizations' and people's complaints on social media. So you'll want to go turn all of that off if you'd rather not be treated like a shepherd responding to the belled cows of the online social media world all day long.
I did notice the Twitter was removed from the main menu of Windows 10 2018 April. Maybe Microsoft is starting to awaken to the ideal that they can give there customers piece and quiet productivity all day long instead of what their competition does.
Great, that's good to hear. Thanks. Especially since my new system will be exclusively for rendering/creating content and I don't plan on connecting it to the internet any more than is absolutely necessary.
Mine too.
I've got 1709 waiting for me; updating one computer now and the other right away afterward.
I'll create a new disk image in a day or so.
I have Win10 Pro and every update makes me wish Daz were Linux based. I HATE HATE HATE the idea of it being tied to my damn phone and such.
Thank you for saying this. I've been a bit hesitant to bring it up because I'd rather make friends here. But I have been feeling this ever since Windows 8 came out and had its own detractors who were not users. I was a user and never had that kind of trouble. And then Windows 10 w/more of the same. Again, I'm a user and don't have that kind of trouble.
I often wonder what kind of mods or old-fashioned tweaks people are using that might be breaking stuff. I'm sorry, but I just do. But I've kept quiet because some rather respected people here keep dissing it and I just don't want to get into an argument.
In a related thought:
I'm very curious to know if any of the big 3D, animation, graphic art, music publishers, or game makers have allowed their artists to resist Windows 10 and stay on older versions of Windows like people here have. I kind of suspect that this wouldn't be allowed.