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..my trusty five year old i7 920 peaks around 75C - 78C at the most and then that's usually during a very complex Iray render. With 3DL it's more like 62C - 68C even with UE.
...same here. particularly as Nvidia is still offering Founders Editions for the normal base price (whenever they actually get more in stock that is). It's primarily the Mining Rush. Go to ebay where you will find GPU cards being sold in 6 card lots., The only ones who would buy in such lots buy are those building mining rigs. Most online vendors have a 2 card limit per customer for both Nvidia and AMD GPUs and they still are sold out .
...apparently and unfortunately it seems there are ways to get around the limit, otherwise the usual online tech sources would have more cards in stock than they do (including Nvidia which is out of everything from 1070s to the Titan V and has been for weeks).
When it comes to miners killing cards, I believe it is several things. Most miners are popping 6 of these things in a shabby looking box. They probably are not getting the best cooling. I'm sure the GPUs sitting in the middle of that rack must be sweating hard, if GPUs could sweat. So poor cooling is probably a big factor. I believe if you stay under 60C you'll probably be fine.
But another thing is total time of use. While miners can kill cards quickly because they are on 24/7, stop and think about how many hours that adds up to. At 90 days, a miner has run their cards 2,160 hours of hhardcore labor. Now lets look at a gamer.
A quick google search finds: According to Nielsen, the average U.S. gamer age 13 or older spent 6.3 hours a week playing video games during 2013.
That's only 81 hours in 90 days. So the "average gamer" would not come remotely close to the usage a miner would.
Obviously a hardcore gamer is going to spend more than that. But there are only so many hours in a day that a gamer can play. They need to eat and sleep, and I assuming they probably have a job or school, or a some kind of life thing going on. Let's just say a gamer plays 4 hours every single day, which is pretty extreme. That comes to 360 hours, and much of that is not at 100% GPU. After 3 years, that would come to 4,320 hours. A miner will reach that level in just 6 months.
So I believe that is partly where Nvidia made their calculations for a 3 month warranty on mining.
Honestly, I think the biggest reason Quarto might last longer is that they are downclocked greatly from GTX. That provides a lot more stability. Otherwise I feel like some of that notion of Quadro being some uber built machine is myth. Most of Quadro is its software. Which on that point, I would never overclock for Iray...now that is inviting disaster, IMO. Just say no to overclocking for Iray, we should play that old "This is your brain on drugs" commercial with eggs, remember that? Now think of that egg as your computer. And this is your computer overclocked on Iray...any questions?
But, even if my GTX breaks, an equivalent Quadro cost almost ten times the price of GTX. So I could break 8 or 9 GTX cards and still come out ahead. Plus that is assuming they are all not under warranty, which is highly unlikely given its 3 years. So even if you bust a few GTX cards, its still more cost effective unless you absolutely need 100% up time to run business.
...you are correct, much of what makes the Quadro more "superior" and robust is software, particularly the drivers most of which are incompatible with consumer grade GPU cards. To a lesser point, the "downclocking" which is why a P5000 consumes 700 W less than a 1080 Ti.in spite of having 5 extra GB of the same VRAM.
As to nations looking to get in on the act, they have the resources to not only purchase the latest Quadro, but Tesla Compute cards (the latter actually even better for this process as it's a card's compute performance that is important). They wouldn't waste their time with low cost consumer cards. Crikey a system built with say 10 dual 28 scaleable core Xeon modules each with 8 Tesla V100s (total of 624 TFLOPs at FP64 performance) would smoke anything. At roughly 1.25$ million (yes I actually used to a configurator), this would easily be in the reach of most government budgets.
Newegg has a Gigabyte 1070 GTX 8GB for $549 today. Is that a decent price?
Laurie
Yes, that's the same range as last year but it was probably click bait you saw as it's not showing up in a current google search for that price. Another business in Google search has one listed for $529 & change called RJL Technology Integration. The cheapest available on New Egg was $742 & change.
Can't work. Some cryptocurrencies are asic resistant
More or less what I think. Quadro's memory and core speed are well under their geforce counterpart and work at lower temp
About used mining cards I don't think that mining is that hard on them. Miners usually lower the TDP limit to maximize profitability. Some mining could be hard on memory which can be a problem. The other parts that may fail are the fans
You can replace the cooling system easily. The problem is the memory. It's state is uncertain. I didn't check if there is a tool to check a GPU memory' health
Finally, as you said, there is the question of the environment and condition in which the card was used to mine, which could be the biggest factor
If it's new, it's decent yes
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NO. No, it's not.
If you look on NewEgg, the price for a new 1080 ti is about $1800.
If you look directly on the NVidia site, the price for a new 1080ti is about $600.
For $50 more, direct from NVidia, you can get a much more powerful device.
Nope, wasn't click bait. I went right to the page. It's because they are out of stock already :/
Looks like the only thing they have in stock right now are some Radeons and 1050s
Laurie
It can if miners refuse to support those cryptocurrencies.
LOL...I wasn't in the market for a video card. My 980 GTX still services ;) I just haven't been much keeping up with prices lately because I haven't been looking to buy one :)
Laurie
I'm still using 12 year old first generation Core2 Q6600, maybe the worst quad core CPUs ever made in terms of heat versus performance (65 nm technology, today they use 14 nm). They stay at about 50° C when running at 100% and around 45° if doing CPU rendering. The coolers are CoolerMaster 412s using Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste and the cases are well cooled with 3 x 140 mm fans. With the original Intel coolers and older cases with just one 120 mm fan the CPU temperature would go as high as 80° at 100%.
Have they put that in effect? And how would they detect if a card has been used for mining - do the cards collect usage data?
...crikey for another 200$ I could get a P5000 from Nvidia (and they have those still available). Yeah, not clocked as high or has as many Cores, but 16 GB of VRAM (with the ability to turn WDDM off) would pretty much guarantee 99.9999999...% of my scenes will stay in VRAM while rendering.
Correction, the 1080 Ti at Nvidia is listed as being 699$. The standard 1080 is 549$. Still waiting for a notice on the 1070 at 399$ (I get the feeling though that I'm Waiting for Godot).
Seems kind of short-sighted for cryptominers to run up their power bills just before the robots rise and capitalism consumes itself.
Hahah, j/k, cryptominers will trick us all into getting entertainment implants to crowdsource the computational power for their desperate and futile economic vampirism.
Hahah and j/k yet again, because I'm really not that cynical.
Looks like Arizona may allow you to pay your taxes in bitcoin. that will only encourage them even more.
Ironically the more people that get into mining, the higher the block difficulty rises. a little while ago it was at 200, it has now shot up to 2 trillion or something.like that. In the beginning people were using old laptops to mine, but you just need more and more to keep up. Hopefully it will outgrow graphics cards. We can only hope.
...something's got to give or many of us will be stuck in the rendering slow lane, while many in the gaming community unable to take advantage the newest most realistic mods yet to be released.
Here's hoping that people like Wowie, Parris, and Kettu can squeeze as much quality out of 3DL as possible.
...hmm maybe Nvidia's concerned about this:
A job notification I received yesterday.
https://job-openings.monster.com/GPU-C-Development-Tools-Architect-Beaverton-OR-US-NVIDIA-Corporation/31/91f89332-ebc9-473f-9000-717c8a05d692?aid=145227892&uid=100010162CFE6526309EFF999FBAE20A2DBE9D8E6D7900E57F0CE4AF57AD79C642BA0E778893C24995BE6980182E1F4CB99C3887D730279B58A73C07EDECCF9D72CC5FDFF135D927662AF3B0F04F0A6E66A092&ExpLevel=PowerSearchRequisitionMatch&Exp=JP9&Score=0&rank=1&imp=1&WT.mc_n=PSAAHG10_manual_p_jp9_0721&jvs=e,ar,t,1&acnts=T:1_D:0_A:1_P:0
I've read that while AMD might actively be trying to draw in miners, Nvidia is dedicated to the gamers who use their hardware and would rather miners go elsewhere for their mining ;).
Laurie
It makes sense. They know who their core audience is. When the bubble bursts you are going to get a ton of used cards flooding the market and Nvidia's sales will fall off a cliff. Not to mention the abuse of the warrantee as mentioned earlier in this thread.
..again those used cards will have been totally "abused" having been run 24/7 for months on end far beyond their normal operating parameters. I wouldn't buy one.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/russians-arrested-for-mining-bitcoin-at-nuclear-facility
Has anyone noticed how crap weather forecasting has been lately? ;-)
Redirecting the resources eh? :)
I'm with you, I wouldn't touch them, but there are a lot of people out there who know nothing about mining or what it entails who would be more than happy to buy a card that is, say, a few months old, with $200 knocked off the price.
The other problem is that it will more than likely kill the "genuine" ebay sellers chance of flogging off their video cards, when the miners unload their cards.. Either way I wouldn't touch any video card from ebay anyway as you never know what you are going to get..
...read an article this morning on the topic of AI that had a section about GPUs and Nvidia in particular. It mentioned that the focus of their engineering and development has been shifting more and more towards AI and deep learning, so this could also be having a slight impact as well.
This is just one of their AI projects:
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-world-s-first-ai-computer-to-make-robotaxis-a-reality
Unless you live somewhere cold and you have cheap energy mining is just plain stupid. The problem is people are dreamers. Just like the old gold rush here is the United States, people are always looking for the big strike. Cryto miners are like gambling addicts they think they can strike it rich with a load of GPU's. If Las Vegas made the consumers money it would close down tommorow. Mining and Gambling is just plain stupid but you can't cure dumb. You just have to live with it. I'm just glad I bought my video cards before people went nuts.