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Monique 8

marander3dmarander3d Posts: 50
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Monique 8 seems to be arriving soon (my guess is one of the 2 next Tuesdays)

Listed as Supported Shapes in:

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-free-spirit-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

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  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,766

    She's listed on quite a few items over the last couple of days.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,844

    LOL, I still haven't gotten my moneys worth with Monique 7 yet crying

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,346

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,322

    Orange is the new black?

  • marander3dmarander3d Posts: 50
    edited October 2017
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    Yes, I really hope she has a different look then those 3! I got all of the Gen8 pro packs so far but more because of the outfits. The Olympia 8 character is the most dissapointing one for me so far. But Monique 6 and 7 were nice, so there's hope...

    On the other hand I don't use base characters and I'm happy with Genesis 8 and the available morphs, it just requires some tweaking. And Monique will add new interesting possibilities to the gen pool. Every Genesis generation has its own advantages to me.

    Post edited by marander3d on
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I honestly haven't used gen 6 or 7 Monique enough to justify buying a  gen 8 version. But I will buy Darius. I guess it will depend. They've certainly been offering enough gift cards to indicate a new figure is on her way.

  • mmkdazmmkdaz Posts: 335
    JOdel said:

    Orange is the new black?

    yes, i do hope they take their time with these shaders.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    I wonder... could all these problems stem from the new surfaces parameters that are being used on the new Genesis8 skins? Is there a difference between using Gen8 and pre-Gen8 skins with the same lighting setup? I know lighting is more important than it was for Iray rendering; could it be differently important when the new parameters are used?

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,346
    SpottedKitty said:
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    I wonder... could all these problems stem from the new surfaces parameters that are being used on the new Genesis8 skins? Is there a difference between using Gen8 and pre-Gen8 skins with the same lighting setup? I know lighting is more important than it was for Iray rendering; could it be differently important when the new parameters are used?

    It's Daz's implementation of the surfaces parameters. Benita for Victoria 8 is one of the finest, most photorealistic, tastefully detailed skins in Daz history, second only to Darius 6, imo. Divamakeup has done some settings on Victoria and Lucas that look quite good; so, it's Daz's issue.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,816
    edited October 2017

    We're actually getting Monique & Darius early this time? Awesome! :)

    Post edited by RCDeschene on
  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    I know that I've had to drastically change my iray lighting when using the 8 line with the 8 skins. Using G3 skins on the 8 figures, no problems. But use the G8 skins.....hoooo boy. It's no secret that Olympia 7 is my all time favourite G3 character, with Monique 7 coming an extremely close second. I was devastated when I bought Olympia 8 to see her skin - I have one iray light setup that stops the orange of her skin. Just one. I am REALLY worried about Monique 8 - while her morphs will work well in my library, I am pretty much biting my nails in anxiety over what her skin will be like. And her eyes. Honestly, I am not happy at all with the G8 skins. The figures/morphs, they are fine. But the skins.......ugh. Half of me is THRILLED to see Monique 8 coming out shortly - the other half is curled up in a ball, sucking my thumb in terror at what she will look like.  

    SpottedKitty said:
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    I wonder... could all these problems stem from the new surfaces parameters that are being used on the new Genesis8 skins? Is there a difference between using Gen8 and pre-Gen8 skins with the same lighting setup? I know lighting is more important than it was for Iray rendering; could it be differently important when the new parameters are used?

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,298
    SpottedKitty said:
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    I wonder... could all these problems stem from the new surfaces parameters that are being used on the new Genesis8 skins? Is there a difference between using Gen8 and pre-Gen8 skins with the same lighting setup? I know lighting is more important than it was for Iray rendering; could it be differently important when the new parameters are used?

    There's no need to chnage the material settings to apply the dForce properties to a surface, as far as I am aaware theya re entirely separate. The change in Genesis 8 is the addition of Dual Lobe and Diffuse overlay properties to the Iray Uber base shader, though those can be used in principle on older figures.

  • Panzer EmeraldPanzer Emerald Posts: 727
    RCDeschene said:

    We're actually getting Monique & Darius early this time? Awesome! :)

    That is awesome. I'd have thought we'd have gotten rehashes of some of the others first (i.e. Gia and Gianni), but wow! I wonder if they'll be the first pro bundles to come with dForce-compliant clothing. (Granted, all clothing can be dForce-ified, but you get what I mean) :V

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983

    I'm really not looking forward to Monique and Darius simply because since Daz has kind of mucked up the White characters' skin, I can't imagine what they will do to the Black ones.  Hopefully Monique's morphs will be pleasant. And ugh I can only imagine what the bundle theme will be. 

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Richard Haseltine said:
    SpottedKitty said:
    xyer0 said:

    I hope they don't ruin her shader settings like they've done with Victoria, Olympia, & Stephanie.

    I wonder... could all these problems stem from the new surfaces parameters that are being used on the new Genesis8 skins? Is there a difference between using Gen8 and pre-Gen8 skins with the same lighting setup? I know lighting is more important than it was for Iray rendering; could it be differently important when the new parameters are used?

    There's no need to chnage the material settings to apply the dForce properties to a surface, as far as I am aaware theya re entirely separate. The change in Genesis 8 is the addition of Dual Lobe and Diffuse overlay properties to the Iray Uber base shader, though those can be used in principle on older figures.

    I think the complaints are about the lighting neutral skin shader defaults compared to G3.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    Richard Haseltine said:
    There's no need to chnage the material settings to apply the dForce properties to a surface, as far as I am aaware theya re entirely separate. The change in Genesis 8 is the addition of Dual Lobe and Diffuse overlay properties to the Iray Uber base shader, though those can be used in principle on older figures.

    Maybe I could have phrased it better — it's the lighting I'm talking about. I've got enough experience of setting up lighting for G3 characters to have a pretty good idea in advance what sort of settings to try first. Will these new parameters on G8 characters play nice with our familiar lighting setups, or will we have to start experimenting again to see what looks good?

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    SpottedKitty said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    There's no need to chnage the material settings to apply the dForce properties to a surface, as far as I am aaware theya re entirely separate. The change in Genesis 8 is the addition of Dual Lobe and Diffuse overlay properties to the Iray Uber base shader, though those can be used in principle on older figures.

    Maybe I could have phrased it better — it's the lighting I'm talking about. I've got enough experience of setting up lighting for G3 characters to have a pretty good idea in advance what sort of settings to try first. Will these new parameters on G8 characters play nice with our familiar lighting setups, or will we have to start experimenting again to see what looks good?

    I wouldn't worry about the lights used, but focus on the skin settings. Obviously the settings DAZ uses aren't to the liking of a lot of people, even though they are probably more accurate than folks think they should be for neutral lighting.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,346
    jakiblue said:

    I know that I've had to drastically change my iray lighting when using the 8 line with the 8 skins. Using G3 skins on the 8 figures, no problems. But use the G8 skins.....hoooo boy. It's no secret that Olympia 7 is my all time favourite G3 character, with Monique 7 coming an extremely close second. I was devastated when I bought Olympia 8 to see her skin - I have one iray light setup that stops the orange of her skin. Just one. I am REALLY worried about Monique 8 - while her morphs will work well in my library, I am pretty much biting my nails in anxiety over what her skin will be like. And her eyes. Honestly, I am not happy at all with the G8 skins. The figures/morphs, they are fine. But the skins.......ugh. Half of me is THRILLED to see Monique 8 coming out shortly - the other half is curled up in a ball, sucking my thumb in terror at what she will look like.  

     

    I'm with you, mate. Monique and Darius have been great skins for both G2 and G3 (though so distinctive that they look like their namesakes regardless of the morph); so, it would be sad if they wax them up. I want Daz to promote whoever is making the Genesis 8 shader settings to a position where they no longer set those parameters. Even joelegecko can't make them look good.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,661
    marander3d said:

    Monique 8 seems to be arriving soon (my guess is one of the 2 next Tuesdays)

    Listed as Supported Shapes in:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-free-spirit-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    I would be happy! Even more as Darius 8 might follow soon after... Hopefully this time not with a five o' clock shadow... (Darius, not Monique cheeky)

  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410

    I also haven't used Monique 6 or 7 enough, at least from the shape/morph perspective. I get more mileage out of facial morphs, in general, rather than specific characters.

    If I buy Monique 8 (and who am I kidding? I'll buy her), it'll be first for the skin texture. I preferred the Genesis 2 versions over Genesis 3, to be honest... between IG's Iray settings and my own preferences in Iray settings.

    As for messing up skin textures? It varies so much between artists. Every artist seems to have a different set of translucency settings (which I think causes a lot of the orange skin), and that's why I pretty much always pick up the Beautful Skin product from Sickleyield & Fuseling (although others might recommend other solutions). The main reason is to even out the skin settings across the different artists' preferred settings.

  • marander3dmarander3d Posts: 50
    So maybe today...
  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    there's a picture of her face morph in the Bedhead Hair, the 8th pop up promo. Not her skin, but at least you can see her face. 

    https://www.daz3d.com/bedhead-hair-for-genesis-3-8-female-s

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,661
    jakiblue said:

    there's a picture of her face morph in the Bedhead Hair, the 8th pop up promo. Not her skin, but at least you can see her face. 

    https://www.daz3d.com/bedhead-hair-for-genesis-3-8-female-s

    She's a beauty! And I see no Joker lips... ;-)

     

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983

    OOO nice

  • Panzer EmeraldPanzer Emerald Posts: 727

    Oh WOW! She looks absolutely gorgeous! Monique will p. be the first Genesis 8 character I'll buy. 

  • marander3dmarander3d Posts: 50
    jakiblue said:

    there's a picture of her face morph in the Bedhead Hair, the 8th pop up promo. Not her skin, but at least you can see her face. 

    https://www.daz3d.com/bedhead-hair-for-genesis-3-8-female-s

    Thanks, yes looks already great! Waiting for next Tuesday then... :)
  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    Her face looks really lovely - I really like it. I'm still worried about her skin tho, as skins are what I mainly buy characters for. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    I hope it comes with a free Monique7 Pro bundle as I've been wanting that for a while... laugh

  • marander3dmarander3d Posts: 50
    edited November 2017
    So here she is : https://www.daz3d.com/11-14-monique-8 looking good at a first glance. I'll get the Pro pack anyway but I'm not so convinced about Strikeback outfit with the usual DAZ holes.
    Post edited by marander3d on
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,980

    Oh nice! I really like her! :D

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