Daz Studio 4.10 with dForce released October 26th.

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  • L'Adair said:

    Is there a quick way to go back to an original pose before the dForce simulation is applied?

    I'm not sure what you are asking. There is an option to to Start Bones From Memorized Pose. (The Memorized Pose will be your figure with all bones in the zero position, at world center, facing Front.) Whether you use the Timeline or not, with this option on, the simulation will start at the zero pose, simulate to the zero pose for a short time, and then simulate as the figure moves into the target pose.

    Is that what you wanted to know?

    The memorised post doesn't have to be the zero pose - you can memorise any pose you like (which works by changing the default values, so be careful about saving modified assets) from the Edit>Figure>Memorise sub-menu.

  • Shouldn't this be in my product library for manual download? Or am I blind?

    Mine was under studio 4.9 PRO but the downloads have changed to version 4.10

    smiley

    Awww-yeaaa..... Thank you, I'll check there. 

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,308

    Has anybody tested, if all plugins still work in 4.10?

     

  • DAZ_Steve said:

    I can't view the tutorial

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/animating/videos/simulation_settings/start

    it says

    Permission Denied

    Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue.

     

    `??????????????

    Hmm... let me check into this.

    This is fixed.

  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,772
    edited October 2017
    scorpio said:

    Does dForce work with existing clothes, or do I have to buy all new ones? (If that's the case, it's near useless for me).

    It works with existing clothing result vary depending on several factors.

    It is supposed to work with existing clothing.  About all I've ever managed to achieve has been an amorphous glob of exploded mesh. 

    Well, the MFD worked okay, but nothing else has.  I guess I'll download and install, and see if it's stable.  I can always back down to 4.9....

    I've managed to get plenty of things to explode, but have had some good results by: 

    • Turning off smoothing in the Parameters tab before rendering
    • Make sure posed body parts are not intersecting with garment (hands especially- unlike Optitex, you can tweak the poses of your figures even after you drape clothing without messing up the simulation)
    • Turning "Self Collisiion" to "off" in the surfaces tab of anything with dForce modifiers applied

    @L'Adair - thanks for the helpful tips! I didn't know where the Update and Merge menus were (never used them before) and had forgotten what pane was the one for the new dynamics. Very much appreciated! 

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  • L'Adair said:
    Zetstru said:
    L'Adair said:
    And I expect you're going to have a blast playing with dForce.

    I would if I could find how to apply it :D

    The HowTo here https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/203081 says that the option can be found in Edit->Object(or Figure)->Geometry but all I have is what you can see in the attached image :( (I can't find it neither in the other possible location in the Scene option menu)

    Am I the only one in this case? Did I miss some package install (I got the 4.10 and the dForce Starter Essential)? Am I blind or something?

    If someone have an idea I'd be really grateful :)

    Cheers

    It sounds like you need to run the Update and Merge Menus script. Open your Content Library and expand (double-click) My DAZ 3D Library, (the DIM Default folder for all things DAZ Studio.) Scroll down to Scripts and expand. Scroll down to Utilities and double-click on the Update and Merge Menus icon to run the script. Now look for the options in the Edit->Object->Geometry menu.

    If you haven't done so already, you will need to open the Simulation Settings tab to control the simulation. Click on Window in the top menu. The first entry is Panes (Tabs), click on that and then scroll down the long list until you find Simulation Settings. Click on that to open the dialog window. I recommend docking it to one side or the other of your layout.

    And if you have any more questions, please feel free to come back here and ask. We can all muddle through this learning process together.

    OMG thank you so much.  I was like... I lost Dforce. /sigh

  • Anyone having any success getting dForce to work with figures which have geografts attached? In all my tests, the clothing simply won't pose along with the figure if there's a geograft, even if the clothing is fitted to a different figure. If it's colliding with a figure which has a geograft, it will refuse to follow the pose of the figure it's fitted to when running the simulation.

  • I've had reasonable success getting going with this today and I'm loving it so far.  But, does anyone know if there is a way to pick a "frame" from the simulation after it's run to fine-tune the finished drape? I guess I'm talking about the simulation settling period, like the few seconds where the simulation continues to run after the pose has reached its final position, and I'd like to be able to scrub back/forward to find the perfect final simulated position.

    I've done a fair bit of cloth simulation in Blender, and there the simulation bakes to a animation sequence, and once the sim is done you can scrub frame by frame to find the perfect result.

    Anyone know if there is somthing like this?  If so I'm missing it so far.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,941
    edited October 2017

    Shouldn't this be in my product library for manual download? Or am I blind?

    Mine was under studio 4.9 PRO but the downloads have changed to version 4.10

    smiley

    I'm not seeing anything in my product library (I've searched for DAZ, Studio, 4., Pro). Nothing.

     

    Edit: and just as I typed this, the search finished and what is labelled Daz Studio 4.x Pro will now let me download 4.10.

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,314
    edited October 2017

    I'm still blocked out. The button on the announcement page takes me to my product library, and no search criterion brings up anything but the Beat page, which has no download link in Manual download.

    Even the dForce Starter essentials from a few days ago gives me an empty page.

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  • morkmork Posts: 278

    Just wanted to say "Thank you" to the devs for choosing OpenCL and not CUDA. :)

  • Joe WebbJoe Webb Posts: 837

    Wow, lots of crazy advancements like G8 and now dForce. And it's still 4.X?

     

    What does it take to get it to 5.0?

  • JOdel said:

    I'm still blocked out. The button on the announcement page takes me to my product library, and no search criterion brings up anything but the Beat page, which has no download link in Manual download.

    Even the dForce Starter essentials from a few days ago gives me an empty page.

    It's there for me https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files#prod_13176 , it's listed as DAZ Studio 4.x Pro - if neither the name nor the link work for you please open a Sales Support ticket

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    Does dForce work with existing clothes, or do I have to buy all new ones? (If that's the case, it's near useless for me).

    As mentioned already, you can use dForce on existing clothing. How successful it will work depends very much on how the clothing was made. I've successfully draped an item made for V4, and here's one for G2F where the buttons and pockets fell off. Another detail to a successful drape is to make sure the item being draped is not intersecting with an item being collided with. Fingers poking through fabric, for example. Llynara has some good tips here.

    ArtisanS said:

    Needed a new driver 388.00 for my NVidia 980TI card but then it worked after some compiling and a some getting used to. And thanx to all who made this possible....and to L'Adair for giving some detailed instructions. Now it works "Greater then ever", with the "Greatest DAZ ever".

    Greets, Artisan

    For dForce to work, your computer needs to have OpenCL 1.2. For most of us, updating the video card driver to the latest version will also install OpenCL 1.2 support. (That's CL as in CLose, not GL as in GLow. Seems that's confused a few people, so just clarifying.) Some older computers have hardware that is no longer supported, and OpenCL 1.2 will not work.

    wolf359 said:

    Hi,
    Is this a full general  release? 4.10.0.107
    can it run along side an older beta like 4.8??

    A release version can run along side a beta, as the programs are installed in different folders. Version 4.8 and Daz Connect handle the database differently, but if you have already installed a release version later than 4.8, keeping the 4.8 beta as a backup, you won't have any issues running 4.10. On the other hand, if both your release and beta are 4.8, you may want to check out the issues in the Daz Studio Discussion forums.

    scorpio said:

    Does dForce work with existing clothes, or do I have to buy all new ones? (If that's the case, it's near useless for me).

    It works with existing clothing result vary depending on several factors.

    It is supposed to work with existing clothing.  About all I've ever managed to achieve has been an amorphous glob of exploded mesh. 

    First, I've been using the 4.10 beta since it came out, and for anything non-dForce related, it works as well as, and is as stable as, the latest released version of 4.9.

    I've had problems with dForce, but not since the updated 4.10 beta release. Existing clothing can be used with dForce, after applying a modifier. However, how well it works is dependent on how the item was made. And if the item being draped is intersecting with something else, it can cause the "explosion" effect. It is also a good idea to hide anything in the scene that isn't part of the simulation. It will speed things up, and there is less chance of the item intersecting something. I had one item that had a single point intersecting a shoelace. Yep, it ended up exploding.

    Using dForce is going to be a learning experience for us all.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited October 2017
    bailaowai said:

    I've had reasonable success getting going with this today and I'm loving it so far.  But, does anyone know if there is a way to pick a "frame" from the simulation after it's run to fine-tune the finished drape? I guess I'm talking about the simulation settling period, like the few seconds where the simulation continues to run after the pose has reached its final position, and I'd like to be able to scrub back/forward to find the perfect final simulated position.

    I've done a fair bit of cloth simulation in Blender, and there the simulation bakes to a animation sequence, and once the sim is done you can scrub frame by frame to find the perfect result.

    Anyone know if there is somthing like this?  If so I'm missing it so far.

    You can use the Animation Timeline.

    In the Simulation Settings tab, look for Frames To Simulate. It is set to Current Frame by default. Click anywhere on the field and the drop-down list will be displayed. Select Animated (Use Timeline Play Range). The Timeline may already be at the bottom of your Daz Studio layout, minimized. if it isn't, you may need to open the tab: Click on Window in the top menu. The first entry is Panes (Tabs), click on that and then scroll down the long list until you find Timeline. Click on Timeline. (In my layout, clicking on Timeline automatically docked the tab to the bottom of my screen.)

    The default is 30 frames. Some people have used and prefer 60 frames. Frame 0 should be the starting pose, with the target pose half way down the Timeline. The simulation will continue until the end, "settling" the drape, (as you've seen with the Current Frame option.) Once the simulation is complete, you can slide the indicater along the timeline until you have the frame you like the best.

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited October 2017

    Anyone having any success getting dForce to work with figures which have geografts attached? In all my tests, the clothing simply won't pose along with the figure if there's a geograft, even if the clothing is fitted to a different figure. If it's colliding with a figure which has a geograft, it will refuse to follow the pose of the figure it's fitted to when running the simulation.

    Can anyon comment on this? I had the same issue when trying the beta and, if this is a "feature" of dForce, then it is useless for me.

     

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  • marble said:

    Anyone having any success getting dForce to work with figures which have geografts attached? In all my tests, the clothing simply won't pose along with the figure if there's a geograft, even if the clothing is fitted to a different figure. If it's colliding with a figure which has a geograft, it will refuse to follow the pose of the figure it's fitted to when running the simulation.

    Can anyon comment on this? I had the same issue when trying the beta and, if this is a "feature" of dForce, then it is useless for me.

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2966221/#Comment_2966221

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited October 2017

    I haven't tried using dForce with a geograft.

    Have you tried selecting the geograft in the scene tab and then applying the "Add dForce Modifier: Static Surface" to it?

    ETA: I'm going to go see if I can drape something on the Centaur... laugh

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  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    marble said:

    Anyone having any success getting dForce to work with figures which have geografts attached? In all my tests, the clothing simply won't pose along with the figure if there's a geograft, even if the clothing is fitted to a different figure. If it's colliding with a figure which has a geograft, it will refuse to follow the pose of the figure it's fitted to when running the simulation.

    Can anyon comment on this? I had the same issue when trying the beta and, if this is a "feature" of dForce, then it is useless for me.

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2966221/#Comment_2966221

    Ah thanks. So it is a bug and has been reported. I'll hold off trying any simulations in that case.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990

    So as a PA who never took the time to touch dForce before today, I'm really impressed! It works even with the dorky sister pushing again you. And all I had to do is click a button. Grats to all involved, this is a huge milestone for Daz Studio.

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  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 524
    edited October 2017
    L'Adair said:

    A word of caution before you download and install the latest release of Daz Studio: Backup your old files first. Daz will not provide old versions if you need to revert for some reason.

    The easiest way to locate the name of all the files you'll need to save is to open the DIM and look through the list of product updates. The Product ID of the new file will be the same as the old, and the files you're looking for will begin with a 10-character identifier beginning with IM and ending with the Product ID. For example, the install file for DAZ Studio will begin with IM00013176. By looking for product updates with "for DAZ Studio 4.10+" in the name, you can locate the IDs of other products and support files that will also be overwritten with the new install. Once you've located the files, copy them to a safe place.

    With the files for your current copy of DAZ Studio safely archived, installing the new version should be a bit less stressful.

    And I expect you're going to have a blast playing with dForce.

    So if I just copy my Daz Studio 4.9 onto a different harddrive I will be ok if anything goes wrong? am I write in thinking this?

    Edited to fix quote

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    beachlegs said:
    L'Adair said:

    A word of caution before you download and install the latest release of Daz Studio: Backup your old files first. Daz will not provide old versions if you need to revert for some reason.

    The easiest way to locate the name of all the files you'll need to save is to open the DIM and look through the list of product updates. The Product ID of the new file will be the same as the old, and the files you're looking for will begin with a 10-character identifier beginning with IM and ending with the Product ID. For example, the install file for DAZ Studio will begin with IM00013176. By looking for product updates with "for DAZ Studio 4.10+" in the name, you can locate the IDs of other products and support files that will also be overwritten with the new install. Once you've located the files, copy them to a safe place.

    With the files for your current copy of DAZ Studio safely archived, installing the new version should be a bit less stressful.

    And I expect you're going to have a blast playing with dForce.

    So if I just copy my Daz Studio 4.9 onto a different harddrive I will be ok if anything goes wrong? am I write in thinking this?

    No. Copying the installed files to another drive is not what I meant. You need to copy the ZIP files DIM used to install 4.9, (or the EXE and ZIP files you manually downloaded to install yourself, if that's the case.) Now that 4.10 has been released, you won't be able to download the older files from your Product Library.

    If you move your installed files to another drive and then want to go back to 4.9, you will have lost all of the settings in the Registry, (for Windows computers. Not sure how Macs install programs...)

  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 524
    edited October 2017
    L'Adair said:
    beachlegs said:
    L'Adair said:

    A word of caution before you download and install the latest release of Daz Studio: Backup your old files first. Daz will not provide old versions if you need to revert for some reason.

    The easiest way to locate the name of all the files you'll need to save is to open the DIM and look through the list of product updates. The Product ID of the new file will be the same as the old, and the files you're looking for will begin with a 10-character identifier beginning with IM and ending with the Product ID. For example, the install file for DAZ Studio will begin with IM00013176. By looking for product updates with "for DAZ Studio 4.10+" in the name, you can locate the IDs of other products and support files that will also be overwritten with the new install. Once you've located the files, copy them to a safe place.

    With the files for your current copy of DAZ Studio safely archived, installing the new version should be a bit less stressful.

    And I expect you're going to have a blast playing with dForce.

    So if I just copy my Daz Studio 4.9 onto a different harddrive I will be ok if anything goes wrong? am I write in thinking this?

    No. Copying the installed files to another drive is not what I meant. You need to copy the ZIP files DIM used to install 4.9, (or the EXE and ZIP files you manually downloaded to install yourself, if that's the case.) Now that 4.10 has been released, you won't be able to download the older files from your Product Library.

    If you move your installed files to another drive and then want to go back to 4.9, you will have lost all of the settings in the Registry, (for Windows computers. Not sure how Macs install programs...)

    I got you thank you :)

    Edited to fix quote

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

    If you manually download from the product page, the new installer has a different name and won't overwrite the old installer.  This is not the case with DIM.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited October 2017

    Is anyone else having problems downloading the new version? It won't install thru DIM (tho it did hose my current installation) and when I look for it in my account history it doesn't show up. Trying to get it from the site front pages also takes me to my account page, where the link is non-existent. Any one else?

    Edit: Nevermind - found the problem. At first I thought Bitdefender was interfering so I turned it off, but it turned out it was Malwarebytes that was interefering. What? o.O

    Laurie

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited October 2017

    ...having some difficulty with downloading.  As my work system does not have a Net connection I cannot use the DIM. To download content and updates, I do so on an older 32 bit notebook an transfer vie USB stick. This has worked fine, even for downloading 4.9.4.122 which I recently did, but apparently not 4.10.107 or whatever it is called. 

    I brought this up on announcement thread last night but have not yet received a reply s to why this is happening.

    When I click on the manual download button for the 64 bit Windows version, instead of the download commencing, I am sent to my product page.  The only versions that show in the product ibrary listing are "4.5.1.56" (which is listed as "Inactive") and "4.x" Pro, which when I click on that, the field to the right remains blank and only brings up a message that reads:

    "Select a product to get started".

    ...well I did select a "product" (the only one that was still "active"), and nothing happened.

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  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 524
    edited October 2017
    AllenArt said:

    Is anyone else having problems downloading the new version? It won't install thru DIM (tho it did hose my current installation) and when I look for it in my account history it doesn't show up. Trying to get it from the site front pages also takes me to my account page, where the link is non-existent. Any one else?

    Edit: Nevermind - found the problem. At first I thought Bitdefender was interfering so I turned it off, but it turned out it was Malwarebytes that was interefering. What? o.O

    Laurie

    Hi Laurie I also have Malwarebytes how did you get round that problem...Just in case.

    Edited to fix quote

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited October 2017
    beachlegs said:
    AllenArt said:

    Is anyone else having problems downloading the new version? It won't install thru DIM (tho it did hose my current installation) and when I look for it in my account history it doesn't show up. Trying to get it from the site front pages also takes me to my account page, where the link is non-existent. Any one else?

    Edit: Nevermind - found the problem. At first I thought Bitdefender was interfering so I turned it off, but it turned out it was Malwarebytes that was interefering. What? o.O

    Laurie

    Hi Laurie I also have Malwarebytes how did you get round that problem...Just in case.

    I quit Malwarebytes until I had DS installed then turned it back on ;). Right-click the Malwarebytes icon in the taskbar and choose "Quit  Malwarebytes".

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    kyoto kid said:

    ...having some difficulty with downloading.  As my work system does not have a Net connection I cannot use the DIM. To download content and updates, I do so on an older 32 bit notebook an transfer vie USB stick. This has worked fine, even for downloading 4.9.4.122 which I recently did, but apparently nor 4.10.107 or whatever it is called. 

    I brought this up on announcement thread last night but have not yet received a reply s to why this is happening.

    When I click on the manual download button for the 64 bit Windows version, instead of the download commencing, I am sent to my product page.  The only versions that show in the product ibrary listing are "4.5.1.56" (which is listed as "Inactive") and "4.x" Pro, which when I click on that, the field to the right remains blank and only brings up a message that reads:

    "Select a product to get started".

    ...well I did select a "product" (the only one that was still "active"), and nothing happened.

    You don't happen to have Malwarebytes installed do you? It kept me from downloading and installing it, so I had to turn it off until I had everything installed. Could also be another AV program doing it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited October 2017

    ...I just have the free version of MB which only allows for a manually initiated scan. Looked at the advanced settings and automatic features are turned off and cannot be turned on without upgrading to the "paid for" version, so this shouldn't be causing the issue.

    Not turning off my primary AV while online as that would be akin to suicide with the Bad Rabbit ransomware on the loose.  LIke I mentioned before had no trouble DLing the public release of 4.9.4.122, why should this be different?

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