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I noticed this ages ago, to me its just another sloppy PC item there seem to be rather a lot of them these days.
Does the MFD Bundle 2 also have this fitting issue? I'm kinda wary after buying the first one.
It's being looked it.. the issue stems from the fact this was created before the subsequent characters were created.. which is why it's only playing nice on the base G8F.
Now there is a lot more out there, we're looking at getting the extra support in.
That's really weird! I don't think it's a G8F issue, as the G2F version of the Morphing Fantasy Dress fits fine on G8F. Here's the G2F version of MFD on Victoria 8:
I even tried dialling in some pretty extreme shapes to V8, but the G2F version of the dress fits great (though some poses require smoothing turned up) and it doesn't have any of the issues I'm seeing here. I hope they fix it, as I was interested in getting the "Iconic MFD Bundle 1" as I figure it probably has more movement morphs and would be more updated. But so far what I'm seeing isn't inspiring confidence in moving from my trusty G2F version (or even Genesis 1 version).
I have two other problems with this new version:
1 She can only stand with her legs apart or the skirt material intersects.
2. Everything is huge, dress and add-ons and adjustments sliders only increase size. I Know I can uncheck "use limits:" in parameter settings, but there are six settings just to fix the corset.
G2F is in the teal MFD on the right, default size. This version has adjustment sliders to make things smaller as well as larger.
I am also currious about the breast saran wrap effect that the other MFD do not have. It acts like this dress is not native to G8.
Top image is G3F in MFD for G3F with Teen Josie7 at full ,and G8F in G8FMFD in Pink with Teen Josie8 dialed in . Okay so this was ringing some bells for me I bought the MFD for G8F ,cause of issues I had using the MFD from G3F on her, Bottom picture is 2 G8F ,the blue is MFD for G3Fautofit to G8F ,the pink is MFD for G8F ....both G8F have Josie dialed in full and their feet moved closer together .... and this makes me wonder if the MFD for G8F was ever adjusted to G8F at all ......
If this was a demonstration of how well G3F clothes transfer to G8F, it's tanking pretty bad.
Nope it's was just showing that the MFD for G8F is having the same issues as the MFD for G3F "AUTOFITTED" to G8F ........
No, sorry, I mean if DAZ autofitted the G3F dress to show off, it's not going so well.
The funny thing is some things do transfer from G3-G8 without much issues but this is not right if this MFD has been adjusted for G8F it should fit much better
As Jack Tomalin mentioned, this dress was first modeled long before the first Genesis line of figures. G3 introduced major changes, and it looks like the refit to G3 has an inherent problem. That it didn't crop up before this is probably coincidence. I used a variation of SY's clothing conversion tutorial to convert the G3 MFD to G8, not auto-fit, and it has the same problem as the official G8F MFD.
Now that the issue has come up, I have no doubt Daz will fix it and update both the G3 and G8 versions with the corrected mesh.
If you use SY's conversion method for clothing, you are changing the identification in the database and applying the G8 rigging, not modifying the mesh. If the mesh has a problem, as the MFD appears to have, the problem transfers over. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most clothing products do not have mesh issues, and will transfer perfectly. Especially clothing that was modeled for G3, not refit to G3 from an older version.
Dial the arms up pose control, that'll show you really clearly how much effort was put into the refit.
Do you mean like this Fisty? Cause the MFD suddenly has armpit fat .......that looks wrong........
hahah I love ya Daz, but this dress is a hot mess. How it got past Quality Control is beyond me. I know Daz will fix it though. :) From what I've read they've always been good about getting issues with products fixed.
As the the right and left sides of the dress don't look the same, I would guess the person doing the work "thought" they had symmetry on, which would have worked on both sides at same time. That it wasn't caught in QA is too bad. It's always hard to go back months, (years, now,) and try to figure out what you did, what you didn't do, and what you should have done. That's true for a lot more things than just 3D modeling.
I think the real issue is this was in the refit from G2 to G3, and no one caught it, or it would have been fixed long before G8 came along.
As for the "raised arms" test, doesn't that have to do with going from a T-Pose to an A-Pose, @Fisty? Do the results shown in Carrie58's image show the mesh needs work? Or the rigging? (I'm starting to get a handle on rigging, that's why I ask. If it's the mesh, I'm sorely out of luck. For now.)
No, they do that if you model a mesh from scratch specifically for G8 as well, it's doing that because the weight maps and JCMs weren't fixed there, looks like straight up transfer utility.
Weight maps and JCMs... Oh, My!
(Man, I have so much to learn.)
JCMs are (I think) Joint Controlled Morphs - which is I think morphs that automatically apply when the character bends at certain points. I don't think I've heard of Weight Maps but if I were to guess it sounds like it might be something that keeps the mesh or textures from stretching too much with bending. That could be totally wrong though. lol
Wow! Am I ever so glad that I came across this thread.....
I was considering making a purchase myself but now, like those mentioned above, I'll be holding off until such time as the bugs are worked out, regardless of how long it might take for the creators to do so.
Well, please know that it's being worked on ASAP as a matter of urgency :)
The PC+ people are really good about updating products, once an issue has been brought to their attention. Unless you don't mind waiting months, (or longer,) for the MFD to go on sale again, you won't go wrong picking it up now, while it's still in the intro price. And the issue is with the dress. The first bundle also includes three expansion packs. The second bundle includes the Fantasy Collar, (collar, arm bands, bracelets, ankle bracelets,) used for a lot of the jewelry in the texture addons; the Fantasy Masks, and both of the iconic cloaks. It's a really good deal if you need to build up your G8F wardrobe.
Just an update on this.. it appears that the version that was released wasn't correct.. and where it came from we've yet to establish. But yea, as above, we'll get this straightened out.. apologies, and thanks for your patience.
...Question. I know older MFD textures will work on newer versions of the dress. However, will a G8F texture work on the G3F MFD?
The new MFD only has one UV, so, unless that is changed in the future, all textures will work with the previous versions.
Correct :)
Thanks, Jack, for the speedy (we hope) resolution. By the way I was very pleased with the way the dress draped (on the base figure at least) with dForce. The other challenge is hunting for the various texture packs as their metadata naturally is not compatible with the G8F version - maybe an update on the way eventually? [looks hopeful]
As the G3 version has the same problem, will there be an update to it as well?
I wonder if this is a related problem? G3F and G3 MFD work fine when G3 is left as an "adult" but when a "teen" morph is added I get this:
(ps: the morph is "Sophie-Nan" from the "Friends for G3F" product at Rendo)
Yeah, if you look at the post above yours, L'Adair pointed out that the Genesis 3 version of the MFD has the same problem. So hopefully they'll fix both of them. :)