Gene Simmons seeking to trademark 'Devil Horns' rock and roll hand gesture

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    on a side note I saw this about the meaning of the middle finger salute don't know if true or not but sounds like it could be Image may contain: one or more people and text

    Unlikely as we don't (or didn't) use the middle finger gesture, but the first two fingers (which was also suposedly taced back to Agincourt). Most of these things are post-hoc rationalisations.

    wasn't sure sounded possible though. Know about the thumbs up meaning/origins? All I've ever known is from Happy Days Fonzi cool thing but apperently my mother and much older used it as the same way as using the middle finger which I thought was weird

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    if Gene copyrights patents this what's the chances next will be the sticking out tongue thing?

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,918

    I better hurry up and trademark the duck face LOL 

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,609
    edited June 2017

    I figured that this might be of particular interest to y'all here, as we work with hand gestures in Daz...

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/kiss-singer-wants-to-trademark-devil-horns-rock-and-roll-sign/

    It would truly suck if we were risking trademark infringement every time we used a hand gesture in a render.  Let's hope that the Patent and Trademark office doesn't award this...

    What's next?  Someone trademarking the 'heart' symbol hand gesture?  Or the thumbs up, down and sideways? Or the 'OK' gesture?  or the 'V for Victory' gesture?

    There is a version of the heart hand gesture that has been Trademarked by a footballer/soccer player called Gareth Bale, who plays for Real Madrid.

     

    Although it doesn't stop other players from other teams doing it. 

    (Image from the Daily Mail website)

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  • IgnisSerpentusIgnisSerpentus Posts: 2,609
    edited June 2017

    if Gene copyrights patents this what's the chances next will be the sticking out tongue thing?

    He'd sooner be able to TM the tongue thing than the devil horns. Everyone knows thats thanks to Dio... or headbangers, anyway (although cho is right. Funny enuff, my old man was just given a bunch of records, with Yellow submarine among them.... totally sporting the devil horns. I think the beatles def precede Dio)

     

    I figured that this might be of particular interest to y'all here, as we work with hand gestures in Daz...

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/kiss-singer-wants-to-trademark-devil-horns-rock-and-roll-sign/

    It would truly suck if we were risking trademark infringement every time we used a hand gesture in a render.  Let's hope that the Patent and Trademark office doesn't award this...

    What's next?  Someone trademarking the 'heart' symbol hand gesture?  Or the thumbs up, down and sideways? Or the 'OK' gesture?  or the 'V for Victory' gesture?

    There is a version of the heart hand gesture that has been Trademarked by a footballer/soccer player called Gareth Bale, who plays for Real Madrid.

     

    Although it doesn't stop other players from other teams doing it. 

    (Image from the Daily Mail website)

    LOL thats so Deadpool's TM (I kid of course)

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    I better hurry up and trademark the duck face LOL 

    just think you'd become a billionare if you did that

  • if Gene copyrights patents this what's the chances next will be the sticking out tongue thing?

    Well, the Rolling Stones have had that Tongue and Lips logo for decades. It predates KISS. So, again, good luck to Mr Simmons if he tries to do this.

    To be honest, if I knew Pete Townsend personally, I'd strongly suggest that he buy controlling interest in a wind energy firm. I mean, how cool would it be to have a windmilling guitarist endorsing a source of clean energy based off a windmill? :)

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,642

    Well, at least Gene is consistent. He is always claiming something or other.

    At one point he proclaimed Rock dead.

    He sued King Diamond for stealing his makeup design.

    Gene is just doing his bit to stay relevant.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,455

    I figured that this might be of particular interest to y'all here, as we work with hand gestures in Daz...

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/kiss-singer-wants-to-trademark-devil-horns-rock-and-roll-sign/

    It would truly suck if we were risking trademark infringement every time we used a hand gesture in a render.  Let's hope that the Patent and Trademark office doesn't award this...

    What's next?  Someone trademarking the 'heart' symbol hand gesture?  Or the thumbs up, down and sideways? Or the 'OK' gesture?  or the 'V for Victory' gesture?

    He hasn't been in the news enough lately.  Any publicity is good publicity.

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,455

    I heard that Trump wanted to patent "You're fired." I guess that would have helped the unemployment problem...

    There's one karmic use of "You're fired" that I'd like to see applied.

     

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    I was just perusing the gallery, and stumbled upon this render by Morana.

    Nice render, and incidentally ties in with this thread!

  • JansillaJansilla Posts: 46

    on a side note I saw this about the meaning of the middle finger salute don't know if true or not but sounds like it could be Image may contain: one or more people and text

    Unlikely as we don't (or didn't) use the middle finger gesture, but the first two fingers (which was also suposedly taced back to Agincourt). Most of these things are post-hoc rationalisations.

    ... and, as any medieval archer will tell you, it's mainly the first two fingers (with the middle finger in support) that you need to draw a bow. Hence the 'V' sign which, as Richard says, supposedly was traced back to Agincourt. Oh, and the archers there were mainly Welsh as well, not English...

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    there was a render used in a daz promo with this too while back think it was an ironman13 product promo got removed cause it offended someone oh in one of the v8 poses in the pro bundle got that too used it in one of mine Get Your V8 A Running

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    wonder he hasn't gone after Lordi yet over their costumes, him and Metalica are a lot a like claiming and going after others

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    oh and I do like both bands music just they can be well you know

  • tsarist said:

    Well, at least Gene is consistent. He is always claiming something or other.

    At one point he proclaimed Rock dead.

    He sued King Diamond for stealing his makeup design.

    Gene is just doing his bit to stay relevant.

    The makeup design thing is understandable, because the original KISS makeups were a huge part of their image in the 1970s. They weren't ever photographed out of makeup, for example. To me, it's similar to how circus clowns aren't supposed to copy another clown's makeup exactly. King Diamond's makeup was not exactly a clone of Gene's, but he changed his makeup to avoid the lawsuit. Gene Simmons approaches KISS like a corporation, and undoubtedly makes a lot of money of merchandising to this day. I don't think King Diamond wanted to face KISS' lawyers. 

    I'm surprised he never tried to sue professional wrestlers like The Road Warriors for wearing makeups that seemed (to me) to be even more influenced by Gene's stage makeup than King Diamond's ever was.

    KISS always understood the value of publicity. Gene in particular seems to love shock value in his interviews. I'm sure he knows that there's almost no chance of him succeeding in his attempt to trademark the hand gesture, but he also knows this is a way to keep his name in the papers between tours and albums.

     

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    it did give Alice Cooper a laugh over the makeup thing

  • RadioactiveLilyRadioactiveLily Posts: 359
    edited June 2017

     

    I was just perusing the gallery, and stumbled upon this render by Morana.

    Nice render, and incidentally ties in with this thread!

     

    eLOL didn't expect to see my own render in here!  I was terrified after I did that render that it was an obscene gesture rather than the rock 'on I meant it to be.

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    I think she looks great Morana and either way her hand is facing is very rock/metal but can understand your worry and confusion whether or not it would be considered offensive or not personally I don't like I said very rock/metal but there are some true regardles which way the hand is would be offended sadly then again now days anything and everything offends someone nowdays even pictures/videos of plants or cute & or funny animals you'll find comments of people enraged by them all we can do is create what we want to envision as close to what we want along the tos here and other places as best as we can and hope for the best we're still accepted 

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,642
    tsarist said:

    Well, at least Gene is consistent. He is always claiming something or other.

    At one point he proclaimed Rock dead.

    He sued King Diamond for stealing his makeup design.

    Gene is just doing his bit to stay relevant.

    The makeup design thing is understandable, because the original KISS makeups were a huge part of their image in the 1970s. They weren't ever photographed out of makeup, for example. To me, it's similar to how circus clowns aren't supposed to copy another clown's makeup exactly. King Diamond's makeup was not exactly a clone of Gene's, but he changed his makeup to avoid the lawsuit. Gene Simmons approaches KISS like a corporation, and undoubtedly makes a lot of money of merchandising to this day. I don't think King Diamond wanted to face KISS' lawyers. 

    I'm surprised he never tried to sue professional wrestlers like The Road Warriors for wearing makeups that seemed (to me) to be even more influenced by Gene's stage makeup than King Diamond's ever was.

    KISS always understood the value of publicity. Gene in particular seems to love shock value in his interviews. I'm sure he knows that there's almost no chance of him succeeding in his attempt to trademark the hand gesture, but he also knows this is a way to keep his name in the papers between tours and albums.

     

    I agree. Gene is keeping his name in the papers, without doubt.

    Gene probably didn't sue the Road Warriors because ONE of their arms is wider than Gene's whole body! It could get unhealthy.

    LOL

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    Kiss did have their own wrestler for a while based on Gene called The Demon i think, can't remember if he was in WCW or WWF time period when they started then stopped showing wrestling here so didn't get to see the character

  • NathNath Posts: 3,049

    on a side note I saw this about the meaning of the middle finger salute don't know if true or not but sounds like it could be Image may contain: one or more people and text

    Unlikely as we don't (or didn't) use the middle finger gesture, but the first two fingers (which was also suposedly taced back to Agincourt). Most of these things are post-hoc rationalisations.

    Not to mention that f*ck has cognates in all other Germanic languages - and first known recorded use goes back to court records from 1310.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,344

    if Gene copyrights patents this what's the chances next will be the sticking out tongue thing?

    That one is already taken by the Nepalese long ago:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1997/nov/08/local/me-51420

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    oh you just reminded me Taoz how could I forget another race too our neighbours over in New Zealand and the Maori and the Haka dance which is also performed by the Kiwis at the start of their rugby matches too

  • Kiss did have their own wrestler for a while based on Gene called The Demon i think, can't remember if he was in WCW or WWF time period when they started then stopped showing wrestling here so didn't get to see the character

    I wasn't watching any televised wrestling during that era so I never actually saw that wrestler. I did read about that in Gene's autobiography "KiSS and Make Up." Gene chose WCW over WWF. WCW, which was owned by Ted Turner, went out of business soon afterwards. WWF, on the other hand, turned into WWE and became an even bigger entertainment force.  

    There have been various Mexican wrestlers who have used KISS-inspired gimmicks, though. The current ones are Los Psycho Circus, where one of the clowns has his tongue permanently hanging out much like Gene. There were other guys years ago who wore masks whose designs were basically either the Starman or the Demon but with slightly different color schemes. 

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,698

    I heard that Trump wanted to patent "You're fired." I guess that would have helped the unemployment problem...

    Well the catchphrase and the TV format were created by Alan Sugar, or am I just quoting alternative facts? 

  • We all know Gene Simmons being a big comic book fan borrowed it from "the Amazing Spiderman"...1963....just sayin...
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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    Dio's wife thinks Gene is a fool 

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    if some how he does get the rights serious question here does that mean we have to remove all images any of us have created and uploaded or would be be obligated to pay a royalty fee if we sold used our images to him or would that be covered by daz from our purchase of poses that include that 

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