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Yes, the last switchover was met with a bit more "Concern" than this time round.
I don't think too many people are "surprised" by the new arrival. I'm barely around these days and I knew about it a few days back!
There will always be content creators making content that gives you the option to use the new shineys on older figures. G8 comes with clones for Genesis, Genesis 2, and Genesis 3 so that's probably going to make the job for them a little bit easier. I'm sure great content creators like SickleYield and others will be creating ways to make G8 content more compatable with older figures.
Why V8? Why not (the free) G8?
I just saw a link in a signature to V8 usability in Carrara in this thread -
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/176191/m8-will-be-her-mate#latest
OOPS! Sorry, that's Genesis 3. My bad. I need to learn to read.
'm more interested in the improvement of the studio software then over a new figure launch.
so still hanging around and see if daz can make it true after all those years or not.
I see the improvements in V8, and they are certainly attractive.
However, I have enough content to learn from, that I simply will continue to learn from that. I simply have not outgrown the potential of what I already have.
When the time is right I will use V8.
RIGHT!
I really wish Daz would improve the animation capabilities of DS. It still can't touch Carrara on animation, and Daz hasn't updated Carrara in YEARS.
Blender is free and continues to improve with each release
yet they have no content store supporting but are funded by a foundation
I am given to understand.
Daz studio is free but its continued development is supported by
content sales for the latest figures.
*possibly some support fom the parent company that owns Daz/Morph3D*
but I would imagine the content sales are paramount.
Users stopping buying content and waiting for improvements to the application is ultimately
self defeating as you affect the very revenue that is used for Studio Development
That Said Dazsteve hinted strongly that the Changes coming to **Studio**
in the second half of 2017 "will blow everyone's mind"
I dont think he meant a different heel bone setup on G8.
So stay tuned.
I've already purchased V4-V7 Pro Bundles, but I did get a good discount on V8. I'd really like to see some G2 and G3 pro bundles go on sale.
Quite doubtful unless DAZ sees some serious sales. Bryce for Mac has been broken for years and there's no sign of that change. Frankly, I wish they would release it to public domain and let us change and update it.
Happens every time, even when V4 came out. I wasn't around for the V3 update.
I think people are actually pretty calm this time around.
There wasn't much of a fuss when V3 came out, V4's release was met with some vigour.
All hell broke out when Genesis came out and Genesis 2.
I remember threads being shut down and insults flying left and right. It was ugly even by MY standards.
Mmm. I'm barely into G3, honestly. I had quite a bit set up for G2, with my misc. figures.
Which is kind of my main issue - I have characters I've set up that I'd really like to just ... keep using, and keep using new stuff (poses, etc. included) for. Sure, V4's popular and some new stuff sneaks out on 3rd party sites for her, but how much new is there for Genesis, 2 gens down the line? G2 was kind of a sweet spot. G3 kind of got rushed past - at least that's how it feels to me.
Yes, I know it's a paid product (and ... what was that in the thread about the creator passing?) but I'd feel slightly less irked about this if I could at least transfer shapes/morphs to new generations natively... *shrug* I'll play with new and old. i think I'll be sticking with G2 mostly for a while, since that's where most of my "stuff" is. G3 feels just orphaned now...
Meh. That's kind of how I feel about Vicky 8. To echo your point Tsarist, Vicky 4 with the right shaders looks fantastic - I honestly think Daz have hit a point of diminishing returns with these new figures. I get why they release them - that's how they make their money. But I don't see much difference between the generations anymore. And that's not because the new figures are bad - it's quite the opposite - Daz's figures are really really good, and there's simply not much more for them to improve upon. I would get more excited to see some improvements to dynamic hair and cloth. The figures themselves are so ultra-realistic that it looks jarringly odd to see poorly-draped conforming clothing or hair on such a photoreal figure. I'm not picking on anyone here, and some vendors make better clothing sets than others, but that's where I think Daz has an opportunity for improvement.
The good news? Since I never really invested in Vicky 7 / Genesis 3 content, the whole store is now going to go on deep discounts for me! Yay! Victoria is dead - Long Live Victoria!
(emphasis mine) - What? Where are you seeing that deal? I have a banner ad offering me 10% off, but I'd actually insta-purchase if they'd sweeten the pot with one of the older Pro bundles!!! ggrrrrrrrr..
Right here...
https://www.daz3d.com/06-15-victoria-8
It is a sweet deal.
Yep, saw it on the main page shortly after my previous post. (slaps forehead) Thanks!
Are you looking at the store main page? The rotating banner that shows all the active sale deals includes one for the V8 sale — click on that and the details of the free Pro bundles is literally right in the middle of your screen.
Maybe I'll wait till G9 comes out next year.
Yeah, don't even ask me how I missed it - guess cuz I jumped straight to the forums to read user reviews before reading the ad copy!
Two years. Genesis 9 should be 2019...
The money argument is invalid. They could have easily just expanded Genesis 3 with more content and with less effort/development cost than creating a new Base figure. I'd rather see expansions on the engine like, physics for hair. clothing, objects, realtime physically based rendering similar to what game engines or iclone uses. All features I would pay for. None of the features for the figure are really new or an improvement over Genesis 3. I already have better skin shaders, backwards compatability, bends, musculature with Genesis 3. I'll get V8 content since there will be a G8 clone for G3 to transfer clothing but I will probably skip most characters unless they are truely unique and Genx update is out which probably won't come out for a while.
There may not ever be a GenX update now that Ralf Sesseler (Dimension3D) has died :(
Laurie
Where can i find this thread.....??????????????????????????????????
are the jiggle bombs coming to studio :) LOL
He, of course, did not elaborate on any of the "blow our minds" features. LOL Daz is normally very tight-lipped about these sorts of things ;).
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/174606/and-genesis-8-is-reality-today-just-the-date-was-wrong-d/p1
Laurie
thx, i think we need STEVE more hanging around here, i prefer more open communication then stiff lips lipped
Honestly, things like flexing musculature as you pose G8 make it something I want right now.
I guess I won't be buying new G8 characters at all except for maybe a monster or unique toon but that is it. GenX is one of the major reasons I even consider moving to a different Figure base.
That is not to say that another vender may not take up the challenge and create a new system, but the GenX system is in limbo at the current time and may not ever be updated. I just wanted you to know so you could make your own informed decision :(.
Laurie
I get new content needs to be made, and I'm all for daz trying to make money to make profits, stay in business, and all that. What I don't understand is the business model.
We are currently on a treadmill where we repurchase all the same models, along with remakes of all their same clothes, over and over, instead of fully developing what is already there. For example, you have all these characters that come out, along with their bundles, then two weeks later another character comes out with their bundles, and so on. Once the new bundle comes out, the old character is pretty much forgotten about. Content could easily be made for all these Liliths and Olympias and Ophelias. You can improve the quality of items, you can offer more texture sets, you can create more and different outfits outside of the same bikinis and skimpwear. There is so much that is left untapped in a rush to move on to the next thing. And then, just as the content creators get well versed in the new generation, all that goes out the window as well.
I bought V8 and the g3 morphs and all that, and hope she does well, but it really does seem like we keep re-inventing the wheel.