Gen 8 !? Awww C'mon
Sasqwach
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So another generation figure...Initial thoughts...
Ok so Gen 8....
- She supports Gen 3 mats, but not Gen 2 morphs / characters
- She doesn’t support Gen 2 Mats or Morphs or poses,
- She supports Gen 3 Poses and expressions (almost...eyes seem a little off)
- She can wear Gen genesis, Gen 2 & 3 clothing (but not V4)
Bouncing To Gen 3
- She supports all gen mats (with additional soft / tools)
- She will do Gen 8 poses
- She can’t do Gen 2 or V4 poses
- She can’t seem to wear Gen 8 clothing (yet)
- She can wear all gen clothing (except 8)
But back to Gen 2
- She supports all V4 and Gen 2 mats but not Gen 3 or Gen 8
- She kinda can do Gen 4 poses with tweaking and tools
- She can’t do Gen 3 or Gen 8 poses
- She can’t wear Gen 8 clothing (yet)
- She can wear Gen, Gen 2, Gen 3 and V4 clothing
(I am sure I am missing some bits n pieces or there is a toolset somewhere that does one of the cross conversions I would want)
BUT Anyone else getting a bit "aaargh ! Too many cross options !"?
I do like a new iteration but one of the sad things is the lack of backwards compatibility or reuse of assets. Just when you get to love Gen 2, Gen 3 comes along, all the Gen 2 stuff stops getting made but thankfully you get support eventually. Then we have Gen 3 , you get some compatibility from Gen 2 but not all there will always be areas where things just won’t be supported like poses and expressions (tho characters...we have Gen X2 tool thankfully!) Now we have Gen 8 the likelihood of good cross support....wait n see
As a near OCD level organizer of my library and wanting to have as many options as possible (Ie I wanna use a V4 outfit on a Gen 3 figure, with a Gen 2 skin, and a Genx2 converted A4 character preset in a Gen 8 pose)...well sadly I would only get so far.
Progress is inevitable, but feel the iterations and cross support or continued support of older stuff is too soon. ie Gen 2 had very few expression packs released, Gen 3 has loads...V4 has thousands. We don’t see ANY Gen 2 clothing, poses, expressions or mats being made anymore...ok it was a while ago, and we do have some cross tools...but how long before we are on Gen XVII and have a runtime full of redudnant stuff. Daz has a good marketing strategy, the content is always fresh and excellent, It's getting better and better all the time, but the iterations are just coming along waaay too fast IMO
There is the option..well if you dont like it, dont buy it or use it, but kinda feel eventually we are cornered into a "ok I have to switch to this gen as older stuff just wont work so good anymore"....not expecting the moon on a stick...just getting a bit "ooohh too many options..liked that but cant use on this, but can use this bit but not that bit"
Still not as bad as games consoles backwards compatibility...=) so should be thankful !
Thoughts ?
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UH . ... so Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 .. and now Genesis 8. Am I missing something?
Well:
1) Windows 1.0 (I ahve a file somewhere on 5 1/4 disk, verry usefull indeed)
2) Windows 2.0 (was fun)
3) Wndows 3.1/3.11
4) Windows 95/98/NT
5) Windows ME/Windows 2000
6) Windows XP
7) Windows Vista
8) Windows 7
9) Windows 8
10) Windows 10
Counting seems to be difficult for IT related companies............:-).
It's actually a Sanity-Correction based on the full Daz Figure legacy-
Vic/Mike 1
Vic/Mike etc. 2
Vic/Mike etc. 3
Vic/Mike etc. 4
Genesis 1 (But also Vic/Mike etc 5)
Genesis 2 (But also Vic/Mike, and even Reptillian and other craziness 6)
Genesis 3 (But also Vic/Mike 7 and Centaur 7 and so on)
Genesis 8 (Now in sync with Vic/Mike etc 8)
The dawn of Genesis 3's obselence for new products has now arrived... Whatever we hoped those characters we've crafted to be able to wear and use, probably now has around a month or so left. Then most new items will be focusing solely on Genesis 4/8 and not looking back. At least Genesis 3 is still completely compatible with the same rendering engine, though, which means looking perfectly fine alongside any Genesis 4/8 stuff in the same scene.
On the other hand, it also means the new generation will require a heavy investment to bring it up to speed with Genesis 3's basic performance. If Daz at least packaged the inevitable additional shaping/expression morphs for free, it would create a lot of good will. Then there are Zev's aging morphs, Sickleyield's fantasy-related shapes (for teeth and ears), Dogz' (utterly essential) 200 Morphs, etcetera...
Also, if the process requires additional tools outside of Daz Studio, then a character cannot be said to use the materials of previous generations.
I can't get Genesis 3 clothing to fit but I can get Genesis 3 materials to apply correctly to Genesis 8.
UPDATE
My bad. I did not use Genesis 3 female as the Fit To -- I used Unsupported Figure. OK all working now. Please ignore my post. Thanks
It is the same question on every release. "Is the previous figure now obsolete?" No matter how long it takes for a new figure, you will have the same coments again and again. It is not, that I don't understand the point, but the alternative whould be to never release a new figure again.
Well yes and no......you can verry well release a new figure without disturbing the basic skeleton and thus preserving the major weight groups on the clothing of the old mesh in full functionality. It's perfectly possible in 3D. It's just what you want. G2 had tri-axis weight mapping. G3 skipped that, G8 has a different base pose making it more compatible with game engines, but creating all sorts of problems for armpit movements (that even some published vendors haven't gotten used to as I see).
So forget the G2, G3 clothing compatibility, it's there for most of the time, but for extreme posses, the cross-fitt is less then perfect for shirts, pants are better then they were, G2 and G3 to G8 works more or less flawlessly.
Greets, Artisan
I'm equally as amused as I am disappointed that Daz are still releasing HD morphs seperate to the base figure...
Because not everyone wants the HD morphs for one reason or the other.
Actually there are some HD morphs at least for the face. I just found them in the shaping tab. I think they came in the G8 facial morphs pack but not sure since i purchased the face/body/expression morphs along with the pro bundle and just let DIM install the lot