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Well, we are talking about people, after all. Models of people the community wants. Some of us would like to have more choices - never an unreasonable desire in any consumer industry. Look at how ground-breaking Mr. Tuvak was, adding Spock ears to an African-American actor. If you want to have Korean elves/Vulcans/whatever, its better to start with a good, solid Korean model.
"it's just too much" - I'm not understanding that. Its not a negative to have a virtually unlimited field to work in. Personally I'm saying I would plop down good money to have access to a fraction of the models representing European based faces and bodies in other ethnicities.
It would be perfect if I could make them myself - not only would I be happy with my images I could make a little dough on it. But if I could do that then why would I buy nearly any character offered on this site? I just need a basic model, some morphs and a D-Former and off I go. And yet I still get characters.
I agree; I buy Daz figures cause I can model cars; people, not so much.
And then there is the time factor. But it is why I alter skins, and the various textures and seldom use more than 10 or 20% of the included morphs.
I create my own, and do create my own items, but for someone just starting out they are great, but personally I don't see the point, if that is all one ever does. But, it doesn't matter if others follow their own visions, not mine. :)
Pretty much the only time I've ever just used one character dialed straight for a non-test or "this figure just came out" render it was Lucian 7... on G3Female
oh and I suppose this has eva dialled in 100%
Though there's a few other morphs too
That place was like the inside of Mary Poppin's handbag. Or Hermione's if you prefer ;) LOL
Laurie
My approach is usually looking to skewer tropes or just go for something atypical.
So if I come up with an interesting look for a black guy (like I did earlier today), I think 'ok, now I need a scene.'
Instead of voodoo priest, jazz musician, or street tough, I think of other stuff, like 'hey, maybe he's a wizard. Or a space explorer.'
So now I'm rendering a scene of a black guy in a spacesuit haggling with an alien.
I think it was bigger than the Tardis...
My personal take? I just don't care about diversity that much.
I base my characters on people that I know.
I guess it helps that I know a lot of people.I have a black female Federal agent because I happen to know one.
A Nordic gay Executive Protection expert because I know one.
Lots of Russians. Goths. Whites. Lots of smart kids, as well. Most of them are good, capable people, because that's who I know.
A few idiots, too.
When creating a scenario that needs, say, a whorehouse madam, I ask myself "Now, who do I know?"
Natural diversity without trying for it. (Yes, I do know a whorehouse madam. Don't ask.)
And yes, my main Martial Arts expert is Asian, because the real one that I know is.
Sometimes it just works out that way.
Some stereotypes do bug me, like the standard clueless, ineffective white male father. But that's just me.
Actually, this is changing amongst the millennial population, much more than the boomer/gen X generation of blacks that I've known...As they're getting pretty fed up with standing on the outside looking in, thanks in large part to youtube and the Internet as a whole as I'm seeing a large renaissance burgeoning amongst black 3d/2d artists! Hopefully this trend will continue!
Also, I'm pretty sure the OP was commenting towards the 1940s trope in which blacks are mainly represented as voodoo and witch doctors, though to be fair they were trying to capture the historical cultural specifics of each ethic group featured. And they are making a serious attempt at representing differing people, with the PAs naturally picking up the slack, hell, it is much much improved since the days of V1-V3, that's for sure!
Not so much here, as this forum is pretty much flame retardant!
When Joss Whedon was asked “So, why do you write these strong female characters?"
He answered "Because you’re still asking me that question."
I think you can replace "female" with pretty much any "token" character in that question and the answer would still apply. Avoiding creating token characters is simply a matter of not treating them as token characters. Flesh them out. Give them a strong foundation (history, quirks, etc.). Sometimes it will happen that your supporting characters become more interesting than the main protagonist when you do it right.
Now, when I say "simple", it doesn't mean it's easy. Personal perspectives, values, and biases will come into play when creating and writing characters. It's in your hands on how you balance these elements to produce strong characterizations.
I did not mean any particular token character type. I meant anything just to show that that group is not forgotten. The character does not have to be black or even human. I guess one could have a token cat in a story about dogs. How to make the cat a unique character even though she or he is a cat in a story full of dogs.
Here's the render I was working on:
Another stereotype that's weird is that media in the US often has problems with is the idea of Asian men as attractive/hunky types. Which strikes me as odd, because I find some of them VERY attractive. Go figure.
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Your creative efforts tend to be based on your personal world view and experiences and yes even your "bias's" and to that I say... ...so what.
I dont care about ones bias as long as they are not being hypocrites about them or refuses see ones own congnitive dissonance
Like my Fellow Black friend who was upset that My animated film had no black people in the lead roles.
While he himself has a young Fantasy asian girl fetish and will have absolutely nothing to do with black women inthe real world or his fantasy entertainment media.
And while he was puzzled I did not naturally Choose blacks as lead characters in my movie
He was also Expressed grave concern that people will be "put off" by my having Muslim characters in the movie,this despite him being fully aware that I am a Sunni Muslim.
Daz is overdue to release yet another Native American character that looks suspiciously like Sal Menio in Tonka.
OK, as the token mod: this is getting into politics, please back off from that part of the discussion.
Parenthetically, I have long wanted Morgan Freeman to play a Gandalf-like wizard. He's just the right mix of dignified age, irascibility, power, and occasional whimsey.
I agree, he would be awesome in that kind of role :)
Timmins is correct- Morgan Freeman did play one. In The Lego Movie. And it was...well, awesome! My little guys have that movie on repeat. And now that darned song is stuck in my head again...
And that's ok, because.... Everything Is Awesome!!!
Ha ha, *ebul*
Thank you!
Like it says in the product description, half the world's people live in Asia - that's a LOT of different faces. I could do a bajillion more if the market would support it, but at the least I'll definitely do one every figure. I need something to subsidize Faces of Africa (because I want to keep doing those, but they perform much worse).
Since we want to be 'proper' here then your solution is easy: eg NYC - look up the demographics to NYC and match them up to the neighborhood in NYC.
Leave out the tourism part and what they contribute to the seeming ratio of ethnicities to each other, not that if you are any sort of normal person you are keeping count of how many of each ethnicity you see while visiting NYC to prove you pay attention to such things because they are so important to you.
If DAZ or PAs start making latinas, I'm gonna be broke. :) (I'm also including Mediterranean figures like http://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-paloma-hd-for-victoria-7 )
BD Esther is a beautiful Spanish character for V7.
Ok...Don't mind if I do, in wishlist for next month's purchase!...IE:All of the people that is!
The legal quote doesn't change the "reality" of the common usage of race. Corporations have also been legally declared as "people". ( http://www.npr.org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-become-people-excavating-the-legal-evolution ). As far as that goes, there is a fair bit of biological evidence that "race" is an artificial term.
A lot of things aren't real but are real. Race is one of them. ;)
(Just went through explaining this to my questioning son for the first time, at age 8, re: Santa)
'Race' is at best a sloppy way of classifying people by ancestry. One big problem is that, at least as commonly used, it supposes that there are these archetypal polar 'white', 'african', 'asian' (and perhaps other) 'pure' types of which everyone else is just a mixture. Problem is, where are these archetypal humans located? Can I meet one (how tall is the archetypal white male)? We are _all_ mixtures. If you put pictures of people on a giant map of the world with each spot showing a local native, you will see a continuum of features, shades, heights, nose shapes, hair texture, and any other traits you think are important (returning to the subject of all this, this is why I think Genesis's 'gene pool' and the recent skin blender tool are so cool). So, at best, 'race' is a sometimes convenient shorthand for describing someone's predominant ancestry. But by and large, it is an unscientific social definition that rarely serves a good purpose (and, it seem to me, the only good purposes it has served has been to attempt to undo the damage caused by these definitions).
Maybe the distinction is between 'true' and 'factual'. Myths (at least, the meaningful ones) are always true even when they are not factual.
"This is magnificent ... and it's _true_! It never happened, yet it is _still_ true! What magic art is this?" -- Robin Goodfellow in Neil Gaiman's "Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream"
I love BD Esther! So much so that I put her on the cover of my book and am using her as the main character in all my promo art for Black Kat.
I can't remember who said something about good looking Asian men, but there are quite a few in the DAZ store and I've certainly known a fair share. And gorgeous Amer-Asian ones too, though I'm not even sure that's the proper term anymore. I married a man who is half Korean, half German and very handsome. Everyone mistook him for Native American and called him "Chief." We had two beautiful children together. One looks more Asian, the other looks Scottish, like me. Go figure.
Genetics are fascinating and so is seeing how they're respesented in art.