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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited December 2019

    I need a toon horse to go with my toon Don Quixote.  Here is one way to get the basic dimensions of a horse (or whatever) from reference images.  

    - I searched the web until I found a side view (almost) pic of several horses.  I chose one, any one.  Not modeling this specific horse, just want soemthing that gives basic dimensions as a reference.

    - In new scene, entered vertex modeler, in global tab checked the box for front view and loaded my reference pic.  (probably should have done side view as will be seen later, but no big deal)

    - using the polyline tool, I traced the outline of major body parts separately.  In other words, I created a closed polylinefor the torso/neck, the head, the legs, the tail, and the ears. The polyline resul is hard to see in wireframe view but is easiest to trace.

    - after filling each closed polyline and returning to shaded view, can see a generic horse shape.

    - ** aside - see that the parts can be modeled separately - but keeping reference together for now

    - Going back to assemble room, have a flat horse shape.

    - returned to modeler room and selected the end of the tail and rotated to make it easier to do the bone skeleton later.  Also selectd all and set X and Y translation to 0 (probably not necessary).

    - saved to my browser as a generic proportion reference for modeling a toon horse.

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,275

    That is So Cool! He already has a wonderful face. Can't wait to see the progress. Don's lucky to have you!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    That is So Cool! He already has a wonderful face. Can't wait to see the progress. Don's lucky to have you!


    Thanks for the encouragement, Dart.  Sneaking some modeling time in between holiday chores.  Holidays are great, but are time consuming.


  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    Here are a couple more tips.  The body/torso is relatively staightforward.  Can start with a low poly sphere and extrude, or box model, or....

    Here is an easy way to do low poly toon legs from the reference.  Going to model one forleg and one back leg.

    - modeling a new object in the assemble room, insert an oval and reduce resolution to 12 (or whatever).  Use the model menu to empty the polygon.  

    - translate the oval to the bottom of the front hoof.

    - duplicate, translate up, and scale to fit the top of the hoof.

    - repeat up the front leg for places where the shape changes.

    - select all the ovals, and use the CONSTRUCT :  LOFT menu choices.

    - repeat for the back leg.

    - copy and paste the leg meshes to the same mesh as the torso.


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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    - delete one half of the torso.

    - select the legs and translate them to one side

    - extrude shoulders from the torso

    - delete bottom holes from the new shoulders to prepare for welding with the ;egs

    - translate and weld tops of legs to torso.

    - use duplicate with symmetry to get the other legs and half torso

    - weld the halves

    Still need head and tail.  Maybe tomorrow.

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  • do you find your normals flip doing that?

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited December 2019

    do you find your normals flip doing that?

    Good question.  I don't think I've had that problem, but maybe I just haven't paid close attention.  The times that I notice normals is when using the NPR render engine.

    EDIT - quick check and normals seem OK so far.  Will keep an eye out for it as I go along.


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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited December 2019

    Got some final modeling time in after all.  This low poly mesh has the basic dimensions of a horse, and is uvmapped.  Very rough, but with a smoothing and conversion would have enough polys to morph to a more realistic animal.  Don Quixote has a suitable nag.

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  • very nice horsie heart

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,275

    Agreed. Very cool!

    I love your lofting explanation. I wouldn't have done that on instinct, so as you started explaining, I smacked my forehead... Of Course!!! What a great idea!

    Yeah... really cool horsie you've (I mean Don has) got there!

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,275

    Looks like nice UV unwrapping too! yes

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited December 2019

    Thanks, Wendy.  The horse is still a WIP, but coming along nicely, I think.

    Thank you, Dart, for the shout out in the Challenge Thread.

    Update - I edited the skull a bit to add the eyes, adjust the ears, and some other minor issues.  Had to UVMap over again.

    I also added the mane and the tuft for the head.  I started with carrara dynamic hair growing on the model (which is why I wanted the UVMap correct).  I then used Philemo's hair to mesh plugin.  That way the mane should do well in the toon filter.  I copied and pasted the mane and tuft meshes to the same mesh as the horse.  While there, I edited a few of the strands, duplicated some, and generally tidied them up.  Required adjusting scaling, etc.    Of course, gave them their own shading domains.

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  • DUDUDUDU Posts: 1,945

    What a nice job! I read your explanation about modeling several times before I understood... that's great guy!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    Dudu - thank you!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited December 2019

    Rigged horse

    no weightmap adjustments or correction morphs, but OK for simple posing

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,275

    So Cool! I'm loving this!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    Thanks, Dart!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited January 2020

    Some elements


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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,275

    That's really cool stuff, Diomede. It's awesome... just take an idea, a vision, and start modeling it, folloing through to the end. It just looks fun!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited February 2020

    That's really cool stuff, Diomede. It's awesome... just take an idea, a vision, and start modeling it, folloing through to the end. It just looks fun!

    Thank you, Dart

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited January 2020

    Adding Folders to Carrara Browser Tray


    I recently bought a new computer and am organizing my stuff.  Here is how I am going to set up my custom file folders for the Carrara browser.  In order to add a new folder to the browser, first create the folder on your computer drive (or external drive?).  Use the icon (black circle with white folded-corner rectangle)  in the upper right corner of the browser tray to add a folder to the current tab.  When adding this new folder to the browser, Carrara asks what category the folder will hold.  The options depend upon which tab the folder is being added to.  For example, the Shader tab asks if the folder will hold shaders, grayscale shaders, displacement shaders, or color shaders.  In contrast, the scene tab has only one option.


    So, on a hard drive, I created a folder called Carrara Presets Ted.  Within that, I created folders for each of the browser tabs: Clips Ted, Misc Ted, Objects Ted, Scenes Ted, Shaders Ted.  Then if the tab had additional categories, I created a subfolder for each, as per shader example above.  The objects folder has subfolders for objects, clouds, leaves, particles, plants, and terrains.  Each subfolder is added seprately.  For greater customization, additional subfolders can be made within these subfolders, but don't need to be added with the icon.

    Categories available for objects tab

    Categories available for shaders tab

    a folder for each category added to my shader tab (shader ted, color ted, displacement ted, grayscale ted at bottom of list)

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited February 2020

    Concept Background Planning for a Set


    Have decided to model my own set.  Am using the next few posts to think about the features I want and the planning I am doing.  

    - I plan to do a cafe.  I went online and easily found hundreds of restaurant floorplans.

    - It was also easy to find a variety of standards for the dimensions of chairs, tables, pathways between tables, etc.  Our local schoolboard posted the standards for our school cafeterias online.

    - I want it to be easy to turn off the visibility of each wall and the ceiling.  

    - I want at least one wall to be dominated by windows and to have the entrance.

    - There should be a reception and waiting area near the entrance.

    - There should be a counter area / cashier.

    - There should be an area reserved for the kitchen, bathrooms, and office, whether I fill them or not.

    - Walls that are not dominated by windows should have themed decor.

    - Ceiling should have lights.

    - Layout of tables and chairs should be plausible.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    Here is a small sample of reference materials that were easily found online.  I particularly liked references that included the dimensions of furniture and pathways.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited February 2020

    3D Versions of Floorplan Icons


    So the first thing I did was create simple 3d versions of table/chair icons that are used in sample floorplans.  These are just placeholders, but they have plausible dimensions within the range of the schoolboard publication and architectural design reference materials.  

    - Round table for 2 people

    - Round table for 4 people

    - Round table for 6-8 people

    - Rectangle table for 2 people

    - Rectangle table for 4 people  (2 versions, one is square, other not)

    - Rectangle table for 8 people


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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited February 2020

    Have noticed that many cafe arrangements have floor-to-ceiling windows along one wall.  Wondering if I should also create a simple bilboard outside the windows, or some alternative.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited March 2020

    Carrara's NPR Quickie Sort of

    Vicky (and Mike) 6 in Ruins and there is an axe somewhere

    My laptop has barebones Carrara and Studio.  I have the props and figures that get installed with Studio.  I also installed V6, Girl 6, and M6, along with a bikini for V6 and a lumberjack outfit for M6.  I also installed Ringos skin shaders for V6 and M6.

    So, here is a quickie scene with the DM ruins that come with Studio and V6 and M6.  Grew some hair on V6.  Rendered a simple photorealistic scene.

    As per a Cripeman NPR tutorial, I took the first render and placed it in the backdrop of the scene tab of a new scene.

    I then did an NPR render of the first scene.  It looked pretty bad.  I then blended the NPR render and the photoreal render.

    This was the result.  Oh well.  Not everything works out the way I want.  Setup and NPR settings also attached.

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  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,044

    Mike with an axe is a good sustitute for Vicky with a sword !

  • Good test Dio; I must have a go at Carrara's native NPR - an initial look gave the impression that it was clunky.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099
    edited March 2020

    Yes, clunky is a good word to describe the native NPR modeler.  It has potential, but the documentation isn't very good.  In one of the very early challenges, Antara was able to do some very good stuff, but I just never got a good feel for controls.  For example, what do the brush settings actually do?


    Medieval Sewing Webpage

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,099

    Freebie toilet paper.  It is in DUF format, so I think you will need Carrara 8.5.  Let me know if there is a problem.


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