DreamLand Models low res movie sets

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  • ToeJam said:

    mine are not the lowpoly ones as I said but this is 4 of them mixed with the 5 Stonemason UrbanSprawl 3 sets scaled down to 95% and replicated in Carrara

    as you can see they blend well and the lowpoly ones could indeed be instanced in DAZ studio the same to border Stonemason's sets.

    That looks really good! Thanks for sharing that!

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    edited September 2016

    What is the main difference between the low poly sets and the other ones that cost more?  It looks like the sets are intermingled with high poly and low poly and I'm not sure what the difference would be between them all.  Why are some low poly and some higher poly sets?  I'm in the middle of making some custom textures for block 1 that I got just to see how it does.  I know one advantage to low poly is for animation and distance shots, but I'm wondering why the intermingling of both high and low poly with the sets as a whole.  Anyone know?  These have been on my wishlist for a long time at Rendo so I'll still be collecting them, but the answer would be interesting.  I'd also be curious to know if all of other sets are coming over here, including the higher poly sets and the newly revised sets.

    The low poly sets are meant for backround use.   The regular CIty Blocks sets usually have a lot of standlone props, you can move the buildings around and reuse them separately and in most cases several buildings will have partial interiors and working doors.  The Low Polys are solid items with a fixed layout, and the level of detail is much more limited.   I've actually gotten within the DAZ equivalent of twenty feet of some of them and had them hold up okay in the final render, but others haven't so a good rule is that you only want to use them in long shots.  (Windows, in particular, are an issue because there's nothing behind them.)  I've bought all of the City Blocks sets except #9, but only about half of the low polys due to their limits. 

    EDIT - In thinking about it, I just realized that those results were with the poser materials converted to 3DL spec.  I've found that poser mats often convert better to Iray, so I'll pull one of the Rendo low polys out when I get home tonight and run an Iray test if someone hasn't done one before then.

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  • Thanks for the answer.  I'll still get them as low poly are what I currently need for filler for some background shots.  I'm still learning the difference between how close you can get to low poly and have them look close up, but doesn't a lot of that have to do with textures and not poly count?  It would be nice if some of those high poly sets make their way over here, too.  I'm hoping that some of the ones I have on my wishlist at the other store also end up here.

  • yes I am hoping they come over too so could add to mine.

    The lowpoly ones are OK I guess but I tend to prefer higher detail stuff myself as use tools like replication or if in DAZ studio instancing so really not using much more resources for the distant ones.

    Or I simply composite my renders.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,269
    Redz said:
    Ivy said:

    it's kinda amusing when you think about it, often read here poser artists complaining about lack of poser content sold here which is understandable in a way from daz because thet would obviously want to concentrate on products for their product more than their competition and on the other sites that mainly sell content for poser I have not actually noticed and daz users complaining about lack of daz content maybe daz creators make the better content? ok there is some pretty good poser content out there like the daleks by mechmaster and a lot of character and creature skins I do have poser 10 but to be honest I much prefer daz and find it easier so gotta say this is a first here at least for me seeing fellow daz artists not happy about non daz versions of a poser product yeah some poser stuff will work in daz and vice versa but that's some not everything does and at that price it's a bit of a risk taking a risk even with the return option

    Dreamland sets like most poser content will work fine in Daz Studio. , its just most of the new daz 4 content does not translate well to Poser users

    I'm not so sure. In the Infinite insanity thread, MrPoser posted that although the CR2 loads the geometry, you would have to manually retexture these sets for Daz Studio, which could be a whole lot of extra work to make them work. 

    I think it depends on which renderer you use. Almost all the Poser only content I've tried has worked fine with Iray right out of the box, or with just the DAZ Iray Uber Base shader. With 3DL there are often problems.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    Taozen said:
    Redz said:
    Ivy said:

    it's kinda amusing when you think about it, often read here poser artists complaining about lack of poser content sold here which is understandable in a way from daz because thet would obviously want to concentrate on products for their product more than their competition and on the other sites that mainly sell content for poser I have not actually noticed and daz users complaining about lack of daz content maybe daz creators make the better content? ok there is some pretty good poser content out there like the daleks by mechmaster and a lot of character and creature skins I do have poser 10 but to be honest I much prefer daz and find it easier so gotta say this is a first here at least for me seeing fellow daz artists not happy about non daz versions of a poser product yeah some poser stuff will work in daz and vice versa but that's some not everything does and at that price it's a bit of a risk taking a risk even with the return option

    Dreamland sets like most poser content will work fine in Daz Studio. , its just most of the new daz 4 content does not translate well to Poser users

    I'm not so sure. In the Infinite insanity thread, MrPoser posted that although the CR2 loads the geometry, you would have to manually retexture these sets for Daz Studio, which could be a whole lot of extra work to make them work. 

    I think it depends on which renderer you use. Almost all the Poser only content I've tried has worked fine with Iray right out of the box, or with just the DAZ Iray Uber Base shader. With 3DL there are often problems.

    My experience has been that all of the early Dreamland sets work fairly well in 3DL with minor adjustments... hit the whole thing with the Poser Glossover script from YUR and you were good to go..., but it became more of a pot shoot once he started adding all of the fancy shaders.      

  • RedzRedz Posts: 1,459

    Okay, to clarify, I bought sets six and nine. In Daz they install in the Poser content folder under Figures-Dreamland. There are two versions of each, one called 'no-extras'. That one loads without textures, but the other CR2 loads fully textured and renders fine in both Iray and 3Delight. They may well benefit from tweaking the shaders, but no need to manually load up the textures, which is good news indeed and I'm glad I took the chance. 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    TDX said:
    Ivy said:

    This is an animation I did in daz studio using the deamland Skydome , from movie set 81 blocks , ..:) I have a bunch of animations on my youtube,, that use dreamland movie sets content. it really great stuff for animation.

     

    All animations should end like this... nicely done! laugh

     

    Thank you, I thought it be fun to put a twist ending..lol

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    ToeJam said:

    mine are not the lowpoly ones as I said but this is 4 of them mixed with the 5 Stonemason UrbanSprawl 3 sets scaled down to 95% and replicated in Carrara

    as you can see they blend well and the lowpoly ones could indeed be instanced in DAZ studio the same to border Stonemason's sets.

    great job kit bashing, a perfect match :)

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,322
    edited September 2016
    JOdel said:

    Could anyone say offhand which of the main Movie set blocks is the one with the playground that shows up in the foreground of the promos for Low-poly blocks 1&2? I'm not placing it, but I know I've probably got it.

    It's a mix.  The Carousel is a standalone item, the picnic tables are included with both the drive in movie theater and the diner, while the playground items are a combination of items from Miss Kristi's Schoolhouse and City Blocks 11.  

    Ah. Thank you. I recognized the carousel, and was pretty sure that there was a park in one of the Movie set blocks, but couldn't recall anything with all the rest of the stuff. It's a kitbash!

    ETA: Huh. I just went over to Rendo to check on the statement that someone made about the Low Poly block 2 here not being the same one as over there. Quite a lot of his store is no longer showing. Most of the Movie Set blocks are still there, but the 81 City Blocks basea nd the Riverfront base are both no longer listed. Only Low Poly block 9 is showing (it looks the same as the one here). Several of the older things are no longer showing, either. Not that they are showing clearance icons, they are just gone. Including several of his newest items, like the warehouses.

    So, maybe, now that with the RDNA merger, and the return of Poser content in the store here, he may be planning to move some of his other items over as well.

    Most of the furn and the vehicles are still at Rendo at the moment.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    JOdel said:
    ETA: Huh. I just went over to Rendo to check on the statement that someone made about the Low Poly block 2 here not being the same one as over there. Quite a lot of his store is no longer showing. Most of the Movie Set blocks are still there, but the 81 City Blocks basea nd the Riverfront base are both no longer listed. Only Low Poly block 9 is showing (it looks the same as the one here). Several of the older things are no longer showing, either. Not that they are showing clearance icons, they are just gone. Including several of his newest items, like the warehouses.

    So, maybe, now that with the RDNA merger, and the return of Poser content in the store here, he may be planning to move some of his other items over as well.

    Most of the furn and the vehicles are still at Rendo at the moment.

    That literally happened in the last ten hours, as they were all definitely there this morning when I checked.   And very interesting that the Riverfront items aregone now too, as that was the line that was currently getting the most development.  Not that I can say that I'm surprised, as a good percentage the top Rendo talent has been flying over to roost at DAZ lately.  I would hope this means that future Dreamland Models might actually be planned with DS in mind, but at the very least, maybe it means the new stuff will go on sale more often.   

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited September 2016

    What is the main difference between the low poly sets and the other ones that cost more?  It looks like the sets are intermingled with high poly and low poly and I'm not sure what the difference would be between them all.  Why are some low poly and some higher poly sets?  I'm in the middle of making some custom textures for block 1 that I got just to see how it does.  I know one advantage to low poly is for animation and distance shots, but I'm wondering why the intermingling of both high and low poly with the sets as a whole.  Anyone know?  These have been on my wishlist for a long time at Rendo so I'll still be collecting them, but the answer would be interesting.  I'd also be curious to know if all of other sets are coming over here, including the higher poly sets and the newly revised sets.

    The low poly ones tend to use painted on textures more than sculpted surfaces. You'll also notice the trees and bushes are flat 2 dimensional and painted on or photos. All of that adds up to fool the eye into thinking that the sets are more 3 dimensional and detailed than they are - which equals lower render times. At least that's what I got out of it (which might be wrong because I'm still a bit of a newbie lol). 

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  • ThatGuyThatGuy Posts: 797

    I bought all 9 low poly because at $5.98 each, they are a steal compared to how much they were selling for at Rendo when they were there (or similar items).  I use both Poser and DAZ so to me it was worth the cheap price.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
     

    EDIT - In thinking about it, I just realized that those results were with the poser materials converted to 3DL spec.  I've found that poser mats often convert better to Iray, so I'll pull one of the Rendo low polys out when I get home tonight and run an Iray test if someone hasn't done one before then.

    Okay, so I ran off two Iray renders of Low Poly 7 that should make it pretty clear what low poly means in this case.  As you can see, in the straight head on shot, you can almost buy the image as "real", even though the "reflections" in the windows are all clearly the exact same photo image.  However, there are a lot of places where anything more than the slightest angle makes it obvious that the shapes are really just 2D images on simple geometry. 

     

     

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  • JOdel said:
    JOdel said:

    Could anyone say offhand which of the main Movie set blocks is the one with the playground that shows up in the foreground of the promos for Low-poly blocks 1&2? I'm not placing it, but I know I've probably got it.

    It's a mix.  The Carousel is a standalone item, the picnic tables are included with both the drive in movie theater and the diner, while the playground items are a combination of items from Miss Kristi's Schoolhouse and City Blocks 11.  

    Ah. Thank you. I recognized the carousel, and was pretty sure that there was a park in one of the Movie set blocks, but couldn't recall anything with all the rest of the stuff. It's a kitbash!

    ETA: Huh. I just went over to Rendo to check on the statement that someone made about the Low Poly block 2 here not being the same one as over there. Quite a lot of his store is no longer showing. Most of the Movie Set blocks are still there, but the 81 City Blocks basea nd the Riverfront base are both no longer listed. Only Low Poly block 9 is showing (it looks the same as the one here). Several of the older things are no longer showing, either. Not that they are showing clearance icons, they are just gone. Including several of his newest items, like the warehouses.

    So, maybe, now that with the RDNA merger, and the return of Poser content in the store here, he may be planning to move some of his other items over as well.

    Most of the furn and the vehicles are still at Rendo at the moment.

    I was just about to ask about the vehicles, because they look quite adorable and add a lot of charm to the images. I was curious to see if they might be appearing in the DAZ Store soon too...

     

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited September 2016
     

    EDIT - In thinking about it, I just realized that those results were with the poser materials converted to 3DL spec.  I've found that poser mats often convert better to Iray, so I'll pull one of the Rendo low polys out when I get home tonight and run an Iray test if someone hasn't done one before then.

    Okay, so I ran off two Iray renders of Low Poly 7 that should make it pretty clear what low poly means in this case.  As you can see, in the straight head on shot, you can almost buy the image as "real", even though the "reflections" in the windows are all clearly the exact same photo image.  However, there are a lot of places where anything more than the slightest angle makes it obvious that the shapes are really just 2D images on simple geometry. 

     

     

    hahah Wow, the power of a good angle. Sheesh! That first one looks great, the second makes my face hurt. lol Those trees and flowers! HAHAH 

    These sets are kind of like my husband - looks pretty good from far away but when you start to get close up you can't help but laugh. :P hahah

    I jest I jest, my husband is a sexy beast! :) Rawr! kiss

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  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,594

    I bought 3 sets, set 5, 7 and 9, and like others have said, I can confirm that they load just fine into DS, and render fine in iRay, so I would not consider these items to be Poser only, and I doubt the render in Poser would look very different. Attached are one render for each block. I simply loaded them up, and pressed render, I made no adjustments to the any of the shaders, which are all DAZ Studio Default on load up. As you can see they don't look great up close, so are really suited for distance renders. I doubt I would bother replacing most of the shaders with iRay optimized ones, though some tweaking might make a difference, however it would be a subtle difference from a distance.

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  • A bit late...but here is a low poly block in Iray...I imported a low poly block into Daz from Poser...I put it in Terradome 3 and reduced the size of the block quite a bit. I also did a quick Iray material conversion. I think it turned out well...even close up.

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited September 2016

    It appears the froum threw a wobbly

    This discussion was created from comments split from: Dynamic Hair and Toon Override.

    where it shouldn't have been in the first place.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    Chohole said:

    It appears the froum threw a wobbly

    This discussion was created from comments split from: Dynamic Hair and Toon Override.

    where it shouldn't have been in the first place.

    I think this getting kinda confusing as we've now got posts about the standard Dreamland City Blocks, like Valkeerie's images of the gas station, which aren't on sale here at DAZ, intercut with conversation about the low res blocks, which are on sale at DAZ and made to different specs...  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    Redz said:
    Ivy said:

    it's kinda amusing when you think about it, often read here poser artists complaining about lack of poser content sold here which is understandable in a way from daz because thet would obviously want to concentrate on products for their product more than their competition and on the other sites that mainly sell content for poser I have not actually noticed and daz users complaining about lack of daz content maybe daz creators make the better content? ok there is some pretty good poser content out there like the daleks by mechmaster and a lot of character and creature skins I do have poser 10 but to be honest I much prefer daz and find it easier so gotta say this is a first here at least for me seeing fellow daz artists not happy about non daz versions of a poser product yeah some poser stuff will work in daz and vice versa but that's some not everything does and at that price it's a bit of a risk taking a risk even with the return option

    Dreamland sets like most poser content will work fine in Daz Studio. , its just most of the new daz 4 content does not translate well to Poser users

    I'm not so sure. In the Infinite insanity thread, MrPoser posted that although the CR2 loads the geometry, you would have to manually retexture these sets for Daz Studio, which could be a whole lot of extra work to make them work. 

    Not really.  The low poly sets are single props, so there are only a few dozen textures,  For Iray it's: select prop, select all surfaces, hit Iray shader and you've got something workable.  For 3DL it helps to have a script like Yur's Poser Glossover, but even without it, it's still pretty quick work.  Now the FULL City Blocks sets, those are a bit of a bear because they have so many elements.

  • luci45luci45 Posts: 2,894
    pete.c44 said:

    A bit late...but here is a low poly block in Iray...I imported a low poly block into Daz from Poser...I put it in Terradome 3 and reduced the size of the block quite a bit. I also did a quick Iray material conversion. I think it turned out well...even close up.

    Looks really good! Worthwhile converting the materials. Thanks for posting the big render.

     

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    jakiblue said:

    That's gorgeous, I love that! 

    scorpio said:

     

    I have a few of his sets and they work in DS, I haven't tried in Iray but in 3dl they look good with a little tweaking but there are some mats that won't work, like the rain puddles.

    This is a really old render but it does use his models, 3DL render.

     

    Thank you.

  • mrposermrposer Posts: 1,134

    I did get the materials to load on Dreamland low rez 1 in DAZ Studio. They didn't load initially but when you go to materials and select one of the material options (default, puddles, wet etc.) the materials get loaded. Not sure if all the options work but the building materials do load.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,594
    mrposer said:

    I did get the materials to load on Dreamland low rez 1 in DAZ Studio. They didn't load initially but when you go to materials and select one of the material options (default, puddles, wet etc.) the materials get loaded. Not sure if all the options work but the building materials do load.

    In sets 5,7 and 9 there were 2 CR2 files. One was marked "Low Poly Five" (or seven or nine for the other two), the other was called "Low Poly Five No Extras". The first CR2 loaded with all texture files loaded, and I could render without further adjustments. The second CR2 (ie the one called "Low Poly Five No Extras") loaded with no materials.

    Was this not also the case with Set 1?

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,419

    Just playing with block 07 - looks OK to me in Iray, certainly as described - low poly for background fill. I've got 03 and 04 to look at yet.

  • Can I share a couple of renders of Dreamland Models or is this a private party? Slight angle and distance difference. Loaded the poser item into DAZ 4.6 as I don't have Poser. Rendered with 3Delight. City block 20.

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  • edited September 2016

    If I were to render this again, I would delete his grass and trees and flowers. Maybe use HDRI item such as Yosemite. If I need puddles, probably drop in some from Stonemason or First Bastion or maybe use a post render from Ron's Rain.

     

     

    Edit: I forgot to turn on displacement so that is why everything is flat.

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