"In Remembrance" sale...?
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Agreed (was in the city that day). While tragic, horrible events happen daily around the world....and so do sales.
I'm still baffled why people are upset about this so much more than Memorial day (specifically commemorating folks who died in the armed services) or Labor day (celebrating the labor movement and the rights of workers by... exploiting labor to profit owners).
Or religious holidays.
OK, you have a point there Will! Hopefully next year there will be a little bit of a different approach to all this....
Considering that it's now two days past the date and the promo is still up, either Daz is doubling down, or maybe it didn't mean what some people took it to mean. Consider in some parts of the world you couldn't have a sale on any day, because they'd all probably be in remembrance of something. We've actually been pretty damn fortunate in this part of the world that we can take time to remember just one event, as devastating as it was, over a decade and a half later. For a lot of people around the world dealing with terrorism can be a daily event, and for a few groups in this country as well.
I wrote a whole long post. Then I deleted it. You can choose to be offended or not. I choose to err on the side of believing that most people have good intentions with no desire to offend anyone. Other people choose to believe the opposite. If I had not seen this thread I would have (and still do) feel like they were talking about the earlier generation characters. Which are what is on sale. Of course, my opinion isn't going to change anyone else's opinion.
In remembrance of Gen 1 & 2... ? I wasn't aware they were retired or dead. If that was the intent it was reeeeeeeeeally bad timing.
As far as Memorial Day sales, I've never thought they were okay... I don't know how old I was when I found out what Memorial Day was memorializing, but I was probably 8 or 9 when I realized the sales were not for the families of service members, or veterans, but for anyone... It seemed wrong...
You celebrate the sacrifice and service in however manner you see fit... With people I know, we laugh and joke and tell stories at a wake... It how we celebrate the persons life... But if someone wanted to sell tee shirts of them, even at a tiny profit... There is something inherently opertunistic in that, or even if it's unintentionally, coincidental or not fully thought out... It's still not a good idea or respectful once it's pointed out. There is a marked difference in celebration and capitalization.
If there was going to be a sale anyway on that date because it was part of a series of sales days, then just have the sale... Other site all across the Internet had sales just like any other day, but made no note of the events of that date... If you feel a need to genuinely show respect, make a separate banner window (whatever the breaks between the sale sections is called) that has the eagles and says "in remembrance"... It needs nothing else to show respect. Adding a sale tag-line or any reference to products, sales or merchandise, just mucks up the meaning and ruins what could have been a nice thought... Like going over to a person at a memorial service and saying "I'm truly sorry for you loss, it's a really tragedy... But have you considered buying a new car... Our dealership is have a limited time sale..."
Ya know? Beyond that if it's not obvious, I don't see that words have any use, you either get that or you don't.
And if that would NOT cheese you off a tad bit if someone did that... Then I guess I can see how someone can't see what the big deal is.
Is it a big deal... Hell no, there are worse things in this world... Far, far, far worse exploitation of people and their suffering... But if you see a freind trying to sell a new car to a person at a memorial service, you gotta lean over and say "Dude... What the hell are you thinking?... It's inappropriate..."
Thats all. Just like that.
I was going to write something sarcastic but too many unnerving memories that afternoon watching the smoke over the rooftops and the stench, and phone calls to family and friends in downtown NYC went immediately failed or went straight to voicemail and all those funerals with empty caskets. Maybe next time they can consider "end of summer sale" or "pre-fall sale" and not exploit 'remembrance" as a business tactic.
Well, I meant "big deal" in relation to the sale, not the events of that day... That was beyond a "big deal"... I just realized that the way that was written was open to interpretation, and I wasn't sure if you thought I was saying the attack was not a big deal in relation to the grand tragedy that mankind's ego and avarice is prone to inflicting on itself... Any act of hateful violence as such is a big deal.
A stupid sale can only offend you as much as you let it, so thats not "big deal" in relation to other more important things in life... It's just in poor taste and poor taste, intentional or accidental should be pointed out, or people either won't know they crossed a line or if they already do, think it's okay.
Sorry if that was dumb way of saying that.
I replied on this thread yesterday and it appears my post has gone missing. Oh well..
In short, in response to the "Memorial Day has lots of sales" comments, the answer is very simple:
Memorial Day honors military veterans who willingly gave their lives in wartime. They "willingly" did this because they signed up for it, fulfilling a role as a warfighter in serving their country when duty called for them to do so.
Those who died on 9/11 were murder victims. They did not willingly sign up to defend their country with their lives. They were men, women and children who were murdered. One does not have sales that honors or celebrate the lives sacrificed by murder victims in such a tragedy. Having a sale to celebrate or even honor mass-murderer victims is far too opportunisitc, even for gorrilla marketing strategies.
PS - Not that it makes a difference, but I knew someone who was killed on 9/11 and knew others that either witnessed the events live or acted as responders. I'm not unimaginably insulted by the sale, but I do believe it is in very bad taste.
Frankly I didn't get the connection either. It was just another sale for me, I thought they were referring to the older characters. If that was meant to be a connection, um, DAZ, don't do that again.
I had a problem with both the sale and it's vagueness. I saw this very vague "In Rememberence" slogan with two birds flying through a canyon. Oh,great, don't tell me another vendor died, I thought. I guess this was circumstance, as SAV passed away this past July, so my first thought was that another hi-profile vender had died. So it took a few seconds for me to realize what the "Rememberence" was for, despite having The Names beiing read in another window.
I mean, wow.. it's actually a 9/11 sale. Insert your favorite four letter word here. You kinda just stare at it for a second and take stock of a new reality.. 15 years have now passed and an entire generation has grown up with no memory of that day, true. I DO remember, though; I remember it as vividly as I do yesterday. The next time I ate a bowl of frosted flakes was the morning after O'Neil put a bullet in Bin Laden's head.
So it seems to me in retrospect that this title was chosen by a committee. And it seems you had all sorts of uncomprimising views about 9/11 on that committee. He's a 9/11 'truther', she joined the army on Sept. 12, his uncle was in Manhattan that day, her CAIR membership just got renewed... ect,ect,ect.. And "In Rememberence" was the only thing that came out of that meeting with a 'yes' vote from everyone there. The timidness of "In Rememberence"... this isn't Grandma's funeral. This is 9/11. How about next year, you skip the committee, and use a term everyone else uses: "NEVER FORGET"
I btw have no problem with Daz running a sale on that day, or Kellogs for that matter.
+1
If you (anyone who wants things to change) want to change how folks think about tragic events, stop using them as excuses for a sale. If it's all right to do one, then another is just as acceptable. This means, you don't take advantage of these sales.
Someone said too soon, personally, if there is the chance someone is still alive who lived through what is supposed to be commemorated, then it is too soon.
I don't like Easter and Christmas - not because I'm an aethiest, but because they aren't about family (I can certainly get behind the idea of family, fairness, and generosity of both action and mind) or people's beliefs but about making money. That sickens me. This forum, however, is not where change can be engendered, I've no idea where it can be done, but perhaps the power of social media could be utilised by those interested.
I'm totally in favor of something like this. We've had civilians killed in other domestic tragedies as well international tragedies, and they ALL deserve to be remembered. I actually might do something with this one and put a bug in my congressman's ear, because I know if for instance I'd lost someone in the Oklahoma Bombing, or Benghazi, I'd be feeling some type of way that media and everybody has in effect put a priority on memoriam.
Sure it might not stop people from trying to capitalize on it, but when you make something an event, you sort of invite that kind of attitude and we've definitely made an event out of the September 11th attacks (and yes I purposely try not to refer to it by that trendy title everyone uses) to the extent that it is like a Memorial day, or Thanksgiving.
Unfortunately, this is a difficult topic to discuss without violating the TOS, so we regrettably must lock the thread.