"In Remembrance" sale...?
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You're right about the browser dates, but if 'In Rembrance' is due to the anniversary of 9/11 it's in very poor taste, and if it isn't then those who died have already been forgotten by Daz, who otherwise would have been unlikely to urge us all on today of all days to act in remembrance of Genesis 1 and 2. None of these options paint Daz in a particularly good light. Rembrance today should not have involved a chance to swell the Daz coffers. I'm not against a sale today - life goes on. But a 'remembrance' sale today? *Shudder.
It would have been a nice thing to put remembrance tribute on a banner of its own ... without the sales speak, discounts and links to store.
Now it is just kind of crass really. :(
I'm of the camp that nothing commercial or involving sales or money should be linking/using a national tragedy to promote (or even linked in any way to) a sale. Because even if it's done with good intentions it just ends up looking like they're trying to make money off a tragedy. That's why I think Memorial Day "sales" are really gross. Memorial Day is meant to remember people who've died serving their country. Only it's turned into a day to "get good deals" for many. It's pretty sick, imo. There are plenty of "shopping" holidays "black friday", "cyber monday", etc. Commercialism needs to stop hijacking holidays meant to honor the dead and using it to try and make money. Daz probably didn't mean anything bad by it and they might have had totally good intentions but, imo, linking a national tragedy or the death of others to a sale in any way is never a good idea.
I think it is important to remember that because one person finds something in poor taste does not mean everyone feels the same way.
Sales on holidays or days to honor the dead don't really bother me.
Most people are off work on holidays making it prime time to shop. I don't see it really as rampant commercialism more than just the reality that many of us have to work and on holidays we have time to take advantage of sales.
In the UK we honour our war dead on Remembrance Sunday every year (the Sunday in the second week of November which is nearest to Armistice Day, the anniversary of First World War hostilities ceasing). Funds for needy soldiers and their families are raised by the sale of artificial poppies, and the closest I can come to thinking of anyone trying to profit from the day are the lowlifes who occasionally steal the collection tins. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever tried to gain by tying it in with a sale and I can't imagine anyone ever trying. I like some of the American traditions and ideas that have made it across the pond, but I hope 'remember your war dead by grabbing a bargain' never becomes one of them.
Me too. It never even occured to me to associate it with 9/11....And I'm not saying anything else.
I'm in the UK too and agree with this entirely. Thank you for putting it into words.
With all due respect and consideration of the point... People do a lot of things that are disrespectful or insensitive... Yes, people are often overly sensitive and just looking for something to be offended about... Because someone else is doing something wrong does not lessen the wrongness of a similar act by volume.
Think for a moment how would you feel if a someone you love or a family member's murder was being celebrated with a sale...? Memorial Day sales are cheesy and disrespectful to those who served the nation and those left behind... It was never a nice thing... There is a reason ice cream vendors don't drive their trucks through cemeteries playing clown music...
If it's okay, then I submit: Titanic day sale... Hit an iceberg of savings! Hurricane Katrina Day Sale- these prices will blow you always!! Challenger Day Sale... Our prices are falling faster then a burning space shuttle!
Seriously... Some things are just not right, regardless of how many people do something similar.
Halloween also was once a day to honor the dead and departed in our lives. As is the day of the dead.
I'm not telling you whether you should or not be offended, however not everyone has the same viewpoint on how death or remembrance rituals should be commemorated.
I don't think this sale was offensive. It somewhat pushes up to the limit, IMO, but doesn't actually, actively offend.
I think that, as a business consideration, its better to leave some subjects alone.
Memorial Day sales can be offensive when you consider what the holiday is - people outside the US don't know, its not expected. People IN the US have become so calloused to the meaning, and so remote from the original intent, that it would be hard to find offense. Halloween, and Christmas, have actually travelled around the calander a bit, in both day and meaning, their origins in harvest and mid-winter celebrations reassigned to their current meanings (at least in the US) and even those meanings are drifting, again, as the culture shifts (i.e. old people die, young people grow into adulthood).
I purchased several items. I didn't much care for the terminology of the ad-copy, but it wasn't insulting. Just in somewhat mild poor taste. But, as I say, it didn't stop me.
Obviously, at least here in America.
I'm just observing that we didn't, as far as I noticed, see a thread like this for Labor Day. another day observing American sacrifices. I personally found the banner a little bit tacky, but I appreciated that there were probably arguments at Daz HQ about how to handle this and that there really wasn't an option that would please everyone.
I agree it is in poor taste to use a world tragedy as a reason for a sale. Maybe if the items on sale (remembrance) were of policemen, firemen, or rescue workers I could just wince and look past it. Obviously, these were not the only folks murdered on that day and years to come. To use this event or others like it is just a bad decision. I'm willing to bet it's just a bad coincidence. I seriously doubt Daz had intentionally linked this event to their version of "remembrance." which seems to be a remembrance of old outdated stuff for sale.
I found it very... American. We are the country of the Memorial Day Sale, Presidents Day Sale, Labor day sale (which really takes the cake for irony).
Also weird, when sports teams name themselves after their city burning down, Chicago Fire, Atlanta Flames (no wonder they ended up moving)
Saw the banner with the American eagle and "In Remembrance" title and instantly went "ugh, that's gross and just really dumb". I have a personal connection to 9/11 and I don't like the way Daz has tied 9/11 to a sale. Maybe if Daz was contributing proceeds to charity 'in remembrance'... But no, it's just a commercial sale.
When I saw it I thought it was a sale to benefit 9/11 familys or charities. When I realized it wasn't I was disgusted.... too soon DAZ.... too soon.
I don't know. Didn't think of it.
I just read "In rememberance of Genesis and Genesis 2" and kept going.
I felt it referenced past characters too.
A bald eagle flying thru what looks like the Grand Canyon with "In Remembrance" written on top... put out as a separe advert square on Sept. 11.... doesn't remind of Vicky 5 or 6 at all.
It didn't remind you of Vicky 5 or 6. Obviously, it didn't trigger the same response in everybody.
Last weekend, DAZ put up a separate banner for the Extra 10% off if you bought 3 or more items. Throughout the 2 years I've been shopping at DAZ, it has been quite common to see a banner over the weekend for something different. Mega Fast Grab has been predominantly older items, so far, predating Genesis. It makes sense to make a big deal about putting thousands of Genesis and Genesis 2 products in the Mega Fast Grab. Otherwise, a significant number of customers may have not bothered to check that section of the sale, especially if nothing in the Debut or Still New sections hit them as a "must have, right now!" The words, "In Remembrance," may have been a nod to 9/11. Or not. Maybe with 9/11 on their minds, the words "felt" right, something completely subconcious. None of us know for sure.
But I'd bet my last purchase here that the folks at DAZ did not intend to offend anyone.
As for renders used in banners that don't represent what's for sale... Last year's PC+ sale got quite a few comments about using Orestes Cobwebs in a promo image for the day's special priced items when the product itself wasn't in that section. Look at the current banner image for Daz 3D Freebies. It's a render of Jack Tomalin's Balnea, a PC+ item released at the end of June. It wasn't even a PC+ members Freebie. And I'm sure others could chime in with banners and promo images they've seen that used items not part of the promotion. At the end of the day, it's all just art.
Yea, that's also what I did.
Better judgment should have been used. We already have a Memorial Day for bargains. I would think that we've learned not to repeat that tasteless bit of commoditization of death. Or maybe not. America. Land of the Free. Home of the 30% off sale.
Im American and that is exactly what I thought. I didnt associate the sale with 9/11.
Honestly when I first saw the ad, I was thinking about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, but I didn't really look at the imagery all that hard. Indignation and offense is too easy to arouse in this day and age when every thing seems to bug somebody for what ever reason, and many areas of everyday life have become literally "no win scenarios". There are lots of things I let go simply because if one really looks at the world today there are too many things that one seriously should be offended by and a lot of them are happening in my country of America as I sit here right now. A daz sale promo is among the least of things citizens of this country have to be offended by.
If that was the intended meaning DAZ could have picked almost any other day. I just think it was in very poor taste to use that sale tag line on Sept. 11.
There's a lot more than one person here finding it in poor taste.
And unlike memorial day, labor day, and president's day, few people have 9/11 off. There's also no "dead time" to justify a sale (like a holiday sale, new year sale, PA sale, etc). In fact, this "memorial" is occuring right in the middle of an existing sale. There is no reason for it, at all.
Whatever, as a New Yorker and a person who ran for their life on that day, I am not offended at all by Daz or anybody else having a sale on that day.
Using that paticular day (11 Sept) in my opinion was in extremely poor taste for a "In Rememberance" sale. It could have easily been done before or after that date. As it stands, it feels that daz is trying to make money off the pain and loss suffered that day in 2001. So NOT cool daz. You should really know better than that.
My question is on what day has Daz not had some type of sale and tried to make money?
I understand the gesture, since you simply can't avoid it, and it seems that not acknowledging it in some way would have been taken as an equal slight by approximately the same number of people. As I said, with some things you simply can't win. In all honesty the act of going about your business as usual is perhaps the biggest middle finger to a terrorist act I can think of.
Perhaps, not mentionen G1&2 on the same image as "In Rememberance" would have helped. I really don't know what the DAZ marketing guys are smoking, but I'm sure I don't want any of it.
Honestly, my first thought in my sleep-befuddled and coffee craving mind was, when seeing the image was "Huh, they have retired G1&2 over night and didn't warn anyone?", only then I realized the date and thought "Err, yes... Waiting for the incoming Shitstorm.".