Regarding Iray 10x support? Cuda 8 RC now avaliable
ZKuro
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Hi, so as an owner of a 1070, and a content creator, I look almost every day for news on that.
Finally, I've found something, and I don't like. We were told, that Iray support would be out about Siggraph, well, it ended 3 days ago, so searching for something about that, on the Allegorithmic forums, there was this post, where some users asked about Iray support on both Designer and Painter, and yesterday, an administrator, stated that, the plugins for the Cuda SDK, are almost ready, and that developers should have it soon, and he confirmed that they need, to update the Iray thingie, on both programs.
So, unless Daz Studio's Iray is something different, eventhough we get the CUDA support for the pascal architecture, we won't get them rendering anything in Iray until a new release is launched supporting the new SDK.
I'm really frustated about this, I bought the 1070 without even doubting about Iray support, then I found that, but they said "about Siggraph" so it was like "well, only a month or so". Now it's, still the developers don't even have the new plugins for pascal working on the SDK, so, we need driver support, the new SDK for the developers, and then Daz launch an update, beta test it... pfffff
This is what I've found, If I find the post again, I'll edit this and paste it. The info also could be wrong, or DS dosn't need an update and we just need the drivers...
If I'm wrong, please let me know, I'm just sharing what I've found.
Edit: post found, if there's a rule against posting this, please delete it (haven't found anything about that), here it is:
https://forum.allegorithmic.com/index.php?topic=11775.0
Edit Nº2: Nvidia SDK page info about latest release, 2016.2 supporting Pascal architecture.
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Anybody with the knowledge to credibly answer is likely not allowed to do so yet. SIGGraph just ended, and nVidia's public releases were vague to say the least. What they did say was that some changes would be necessary to support the 10 series and Iray. They did not say what publicly.
Kendall
From the thread
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/95436/daz-studio-pro-beta-version-4-9-3-37-updated#latest
It seems Daz have to wait for the new SDK - I intend to get 1080 (either just the card or a new machine) but have been waiting for iray support before buying anything
I really can understand your frustration if you are doing CPU renders :(
If Daz really needs to do that... I will be doing CPU renders for a long time, and it seems that.
If I were to know this, and not the "Iray drivers would be ready by Siggraph" vague information only, I would have wait to buy this 1070,( cause eventhough is a monster on games and on Substance Painter, where now, I can paint on 4k better than before with the 960 on 2k, what I need the most, is Iray support), I would thought more about the 980Ti plus a new PSU option for sure.
For now, it seems that one way or another, we have to wait.
Iray support has always come months if not a year later.
Well, If I remember correctly, DS supports Iray since 4.6 or 4.7, so I supposse that you're talking in general (I think that Iray is from 2012 or so).
Anyway, just found this!
What’s new in Iray 2016.2
Taken from https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk , so... at least, the SDK is ready!!!, now just have to wait for Daz to say something, maybe an ETA, and the drivers ofc, but I'm sure that the drivers will be out before the programs could integrate the 2016.2 SDK.
Iray was added in 4.8
When I first read "would be out about Siggraph", my first thought was that Siggraph was some sort of arcane pagan holiday for graphics techies.
Waddyaknow, I was right.
As of this morning, Nvidia says late September for Pascal IRAY. Then it's up to the vendors like DAZ to add support.
https://forum.nvidia-arc.com/showthread.php?14632-Will-the-Geforce-GTX-1080-be-supported/page2&s=35b63a6d642007ce5c7b22a7aa23ff88
From what I know of the quality of Nvidia releases, we'll be lucky if DAZ has it plugged into Studio before early 2017.
It might seem like a waste, but you might consider a used 980ti. You can find them on ebay for around $300. Even when IRay supports Pascal, the 980ti is still a monster of a card, and would significantly decrease render times over a 1070 by itself. If you need it right now, I'd say go for it rather than relying on CPU rendering. And even though it can seem scary to buy hardware on ebay, I've never been disappointed by anything I've picked up there, even used gpus. Worth considering at least.
On the other hand, I'd say the release of the Titan X Pascal is a good sign that support might be coming soon.
I did consider two 980Ti, but after the late september, and having a TDP of 250W instead the 150W (talking base, not OC), and eventhough I've bought a lot of things from Ebay so far, two 980Tis, scares me :P, even a shop online here, had the 980Ti on sale, for 429 new, but I readed some not to good things about that site (I've never bought there before also), and I thought again, too risky to do a first time shopping on a new store for 858€.
I will wait, and will get a second 1070. The latest drivers launched about 3 days ago, didn't add Iray support yet, but they say program will start having support at late september.
I hope no, 2017... can't even think about it, if comes to this, I will be forced to buy 980Tis, but as JCThomas says, the Titan X Pascal, must be a good sign for that, sure some people will use it for gaming, but I found it to be more of a hybrid, is not a Quadro with 24gb and things like that, but at the same time, it's the best for gaming.
Let's see how all this goes.
...well Nvidia also is supposed to release the Pascal Quadro P5000s and P6000s in October so they better have the Pascal Iray SDK up by then as those cards are going to cost big bucks and the people who purchase them won't be very pleased if they can't use Nvidia's own render engine.
New Maxwell Titan X's are hard to find, Newegg has then listed as "out of stock". I guess you can go to ebay for a used one but I for one wouldn't care to put used components, particularly one like a GPU that has been put under a lot of heat stress from overclocking for gaming, in a new build.
New ones are still popping up on ebay. Always worth a check. Some smaller stores clearing what they had. I've been seeing it that way for a few months now.
Ayup.
I wish they had the support for Iray now, as hanging on to Maxwell Titan X's is costing me big bucks. As I suspected the price is falling through the floor with Pascals being out.
ROTFLMAO
I'm planning on a whole new machine so will wait to purchase until the big DAZ Studio update announcement. I feel your pain about buying with expectations but in this business never expect, just wait until it's actually happening... or as many know the term "DAZ SOON" may bite you on the ass! lol
Hey zkuro, does the preview window work with your 1070?
I fired up the older comp, and was thinking of turning it to a dedicated rendering machine. That might work for me if I can put the new Titan Pascals in my primary workstation where I create scenes, then can render off the other comp. until the Pascal support comes.
...ahh by the time I can afford to build a new rig (unless I win the lotto tomorrow night) the SDK will have been out for a while and Daz updated with it.
The preview window, and the full render mode, work, but using the CPU until we get the drivers, and Daz implements the (already launched) new SDK (don't remember the name now).
In preview it can be frustating, if it just an item, clothing, prop etc... I can turn it without having to recalculate, it just appears really big pixels. If its a full character, it get's freezed, have to recalc part of the scene, and the worst is trying to place lights...I always have to turn to texture mode, and then when placed, Iray mode again, and play with the settings.
I can't wait to get DS to work with 10X series, and get another 1070 and a water cooler for the CPU, to OC it even more.
Wait, are you using Iray for preview with CPU only?
Sounds painful.
Guess I should have specified - does the preview work well in Texture Shaded mode? Thanks again!
Note that the SDK has not launched - it has been announced, but is not currently expected to be available to external developers like Daz until mid-September (it was previously suggested it would be available around SIGGRPAH, but that was obviously missed - and there's no guarantee the mid-September date will be hit either, though no doubt nVidia is working to do so).
And remember... that new machine you wish to buy is already obsolete in one way or another, so you'll never ever really catch up... Haaa haaa hoooo hooo heeee heeee.....! (Running off Daffy Duck style)
*grumbles* Shiggimshaggimpoptumblrcrappola Hmmph!
What is more interesting is the release of the 1060GTX now most would think not bad but there are 2 versions of the 1060GTX one has 6 gig on it the other only has 3 gig.. The 6 gig card has 1280 cuda cores and the 3 gig card only has 1152 cuda cores.. Now this would not be much of an issue and sort of isn't, the issue is that they are both branded as a 1060GTX, and might get confusing and makes you wonder why Nvidia did this..
...+1
...yeah, the old adage: you buy a new car drive it off the lot and it suddenly depreciates by 50%. With computers that happens while still sitting on the shelf at the electronics store.
General rule of thumb on computers - if you can afford it, it is either obsolete at time of purchase or will be obsolete at time of delivery.
I've got the 1070, and if anyone was curious, Octane 3.x works with it very well, but Octane 2.x won't. For clarity's sake I should add that I'm using Octane for Carrara, so I can't really speak to other plugins. It really flies in rendering time, quite a difference from my prior 2gb nvidia laptop I was using previously.
If they can get Octane to work with Pascal, I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Iray, but maybe there are other complicating factors.
...well as I menitoned they better have it working when they release the Quadro P cards in October.
I don't look at a computer like that. I figure if I'm buying something that's giving me more power and is faster and speeds up my production then I'm happy enough. I buy a new computer every 2 to 3 years. This one I got is one of the few I've upgraded the video card to be able to render using iRay. Next one will have a dual vid card set up in it. That's all. As long as your happy with what you got, everything is working then it's all good. Same with cars, houses or clothing....
as long as your happy with it and can do what you want it to do that's all that matters right RAMMWolff same with I don't upgrade my programs to the newest version everytime new one comes out if the current does what I want and there's not enough improvements/extras in the newest version I don't bother except for the daz figs I do like gen3 and when g4 comes out yeah I'll get those but I still do use g2 a lot too not so much g1 and under though, but yeah I did upgrade big time on my new desktop with 2 1080gtx had the money and thought might as well get the latest and they'll do me a long time couldn't afford those new titans btw what I'm using now on my aspire v17 nitro laptop is a single gtx850m and with the renders I do can take hours to render and some scenes when setting up can slow to a crawl or crash and my other desktop doubt could do a lot of stuff I do now early iray took a day or more sometimes when it could so the newest desktop gonna be a vast improvement once everything is up and running